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On March 29 2018 19:00 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 18:55 SlyZ1 wrote: How about just let anyone play anything? That way we could see a good Blizzcon and not 3-0 losses for non - Koreans... There is the "nuclear option", which is to simply abolish the WCS altogether and let each tournament organizer to decide on region locking for themselves.
And that worked for almost 3 years until blizzard decided they needed to run things. I miss late 2010-early 2013
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Completely undoing region lock is not likely to happen. The problem is it will result in fewer players getting a larger share of the prizes, discouraging new or lower-tier players from competing and ultimately fewer active pros in both regions.
I expect the end result is that region lock will apply for both sides, which is probably what they should have done to start if the goal was fostering local talent.
However, Blizzard fucked themselves on this one because changing the rules mid-season is would be a huge headache.
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Just let True play in GSL and WCS, Taeja is gone, Polt is gone, hydra is married, True is the only foreign korean that remains just let him play
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this is disgusting
User was warned for this post
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I'd be happy if there were region locking like wcs with a global mixed top tier region similar to CodeS.
Those good enough play on the top tier global scene, the rest battle it out in their region.
Question is if sc2 interest is big enough to support an expansion like that and also if it would drain some regions too much of top players.
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On March 29 2018 19:00 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 18:55 SlyZ1 wrote: How about just let anyone play anything? That way we could see a good Blizzcon and not 3-0 losses for non - Koreans... There is the "nuclear option", which is to simply abolish the WCS altogether and let each tournament organizer to decide on region locking for themselves. WCS is a stillborn abomination that no one called for. Your option is actually the best one.
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On March 29 2018 21:13 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 19:00 Chris_Havoc wrote:On March 29 2018 18:55 SlyZ1 wrote: How about just let anyone play anything? That way we could see a good Blizzcon and not 3-0 losses for non - Koreans... There is the "nuclear option", which is to simply abolish the WCS altogether and let each tournament organizer to decide on region locking for themselves. WCS is a stillborn abomination that no one called for. Your option is actually the best one. Yes let's abandon WCS so we have no StarCraft to watch except for online tournaments.
They should just region lock GSL and be done with this.
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I don't see how removing regionlock help lower tier Koreans? But for the sake for fairness open up 2-4 spots in the WCS for Koreans. Or region lock GSL.
Oh, and let TRUE play.
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Why would they enforce this?
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On March 29 2018 16:28 pvsnp wrote: This basically means:
1. If you were born in Korea, you can play in EITHER WCS Korea or WCS Circuit
2. If you were born in any other country in the world, you can play in BOTH WCS Korea and WCS Circuit
No exceptions, no loopholes, no workarounds. ...this is pretty dumb...
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On March 29 2018 22:01 travis wrote: Why would they enforce this? According to the tweet in the second post of the thread they're not just enforcing it, they changed the interpretation of the rule just to stop TRUE.
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It's super sad and unfair, but something we've known about. No Korean competing in the WCS Circuit would realistically ever be able to play GSL at the same time.
Many have mentioned many times how unfair the situation is.
Finally the issue has come up and it will be interesting to see how Blizzard responds. I really hope they don't ignore it.
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On March 29 2018 21:13 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 19:00 Chris_Havoc wrote:On March 29 2018 18:55 SlyZ1 wrote: How about just let anyone play anything? That way we could see a good Blizzcon and not 3-0 losses for non - Koreans... There is the "nuclear option", which is to simply abolish the WCS altogether and let each tournament organizer to decide on region locking for themselves. WCS is a stillborn abomination that no one called for. Your option is actually the best one. Nobody would run big sc2 tournaments without WCS. We only have those tournaments because Blizzard pays for everything. Just remove region lock, but WCS is needed.
Otherwise HSC would be the biggest event of the year, but only if the community stays passionate enough to crowdfund it.
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Delete region locking or enforce it on Korean events as well. The former is better than the latter as competitive events should be open to everyone and the best player should win. If non-Korean Starcraft dies, so be it. A region with only 2 of the 3 races wasn't worth saving in the first place.
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This could be potentially awesome. We could finally see other foreigner having to do the same
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On March 29 2018 23:01 Boggyb wrote: Delete region locking or enforce it on Korean events as well. The former is better than the latter as competitive events should be open to everyone and the best player should win. If non-Korean Starcraft dies, so be it. A region with only 2 of the 3 races wasn't worth saving in the first place. The problem is that we've gone through this before. If the global scene collapses, the Korean scene will also collapse. Like it or not, but it's money from Blizzard and outside organizations that are keeping the SC2 scene alive.
Remember, tournament organizers stopped wanting to hold SC2 events because the local scenes were getting destroyed. If we return to a pre-region lock time, the foreign scene will collapse and then the Korean scene.
So if that's the case, I'm in favour of tiered region locking. If you are of a certain skill level in a region, you cannot compete in both regions, but if you are under a certain skill level, you can compete in all tournaments.
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On March 29 2018 23:46 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 23:01 Boggyb wrote: Delete region locking or enforce it on Korean events as well. The former is better than the latter as competitive events should be open to everyone and the best player should win. If non-Korean Starcraft dies, so be it. A region with only 2 of the 3 races wasn't worth saving in the first place. The problem is that we've gone through this before. If the global scene collapses, the Korean scene will also collapse. Like it or not, but it's money from Blizzard and outside organizations that are keeping the SC2 scene alive. Remember, tournament organizers stopped wanting to hold SC2 events because the local scenes were getting destroyed. If we return to a pre-region lock time, the foreign scene will collapse and then the Korean scene. So if that's the case, I'm in favour of tiered region locking. If you are of a certain skill level in a region, you cannot compete in both regions, but if you are under a certain skill level, you can compete in all tournaments. In that case lock the GSL and save the Korea. Let the foreigners taste their own medicine.
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So if it stands and TRUE choses WCS, what happens to his GSL slot? Wildcard? Is there even time for that?
Whether or not the rule is stupid, Blizzard should have told TRUE (and his team) before the qualifier even began. Looks very amateur (that or TRUE ignored it but i find it unlikely)
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