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Reynor to RO16, Classic out in shock Code S opener - Page 5

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ScrappyRabbit
Profile Joined March 2016
46 Posts
July 06 2018 07:03 GMT
#81
Like everyone was saying, amazing Game 2 vs. Classic...did anyone else catch that Shine brought up the "the game is about to end" cam of the players' faces when Reynor's roach attack looked like it was about to break Classic early before he made a miracle hold and put him ahead? The mental toughness to come literally SECONDS away from advancing to the Ro16 as a foreigner, end up falling behind, and go on to play your heart out like that for the remainder of the game was unreal. Definitely looks like we might have something special on our hands.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1496 Posts
July 06 2018 08:34 GMT
#82
If Reynor wins the GSL will he get a spot at Blizzcon?
jarodtou
Profile Joined July 2016
146 Posts
July 06 2018 09:00 GMT
#83
On July 06 2018 17:34 MockHamill wrote:
If Reynor wins the GSL will he get a spot at Blizzcon?


Sure thing, why wouldn't he? Cause it is not fair to koreans? yes, that is a rule that needs to be changed, but if he will win GLS which is probably a 1% chance at this point, he definitely deserves the spot. Also he has 0 WCS point and he might consider playing also next season if he win or get far in GSL, or not play WCS at all and just prepare for blizzcon while doing school. But this are all theorycrafting, the ideea is the ruling say nothing about a non korean winning GSL to not give them the spot.
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany134 Posts
July 06 2018 09:43 GMT
#84
On July 06 2018 01:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2018 23:11 ADTempys wrote:
On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.


It was already brought after the code S qualifiers, the current system gives you a disaventage because you were born korean, it's just unfair.


While this statement is partially true, it's only half of the picture. The top Koreans are still a head better than most of the foreigners. Even the mid-tier Koreans like Impact and Keen are better than a lot of foreigners. To say only that the system is unfair just because you were born Korean ignores the fact that Koreans have dominated this game from the beginning.

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On July 06 2018 00:08 Boggyb wrote:
On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.
A professional scene also can't survive when new players aren't joining the ranks which frankly hasn't been happening in Korea since the death of proleague. The fact that limited Code S slots are being taken by players who have another region to participate in hasn't helped.


But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead.

And this is the problem of region lock. Unlocking the region would only serve to help top Koreans. The qualifiers generally ensure we only get the top Koreans, and so it would be elsewhere. This solution would only serve to help those who do not need help.

Yes, Reynor will go back to WCS if he loses, but he's beatable. It's not really any guarantee that he'll make it past the ro16/ro8. But Classic, were he in WCS, would be a favourite against any foreigner (and TRUE) he faced.


spot on
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan4536 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-06 13:34:45
July 06 2018 13:25 GMT
#85
Reynor played like a legit korean god, I think you guys talking about region lock are not analyzing things correctly if you believe that random foreigners can pull the same shit vs koreans (g2 vs Classic). Reynor is one of a kind and the soon to be foreigner goat, calling it now.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
MarO1
Profile Joined July 2018
6 Posts
July 06 2018 20:59 GMT
#86
life incarnate
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany11959 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-07 00:55:22
July 07 2018 00:49 GMT
#87
On July 06 2018 01:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2018 23:11 ADTempys wrote:
On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.


It was already brought after the code S qualifiers, the current system gives you a disaventage because you were born korean, it's just unfair.


While this statement is partially true, it's only half of the picture. The top Koreans are still a head better than most of the foreigners. Even the mid-tier Koreans like Impact and Keen are better than a lot of foreigners. To say only that the system is unfair just because you were born Korean ignores the fact that Koreans have dominated this game from the beginning.

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2018 00:08 Boggyb wrote:
On July 05 2018 22:03 Executer08 wrote:
this region lock discussion based on a foreigner advancing one round in gsl is pretty damn stupid^^ blizzard wont unregion lock wcs any time soon anyway as that would make no sense at all and only destroy the foreign scene they have tried to rebuild over the last ~3 years.
A professional scene also can't survive when new players aren't joining the ranks which frankly hasn't been happening in Korea since the death of proleague. The fact that limited Code S slots are being taken by players who have another region to participate in hasn't helped.


But part of the reason why we don't see growth in Korea is because the top players stifle growth themselves. Because of the lack of interest in Korea for SC2, we have a high and highish tier, and we have a low tier. There's not really an in between. Regardless of foreigners taking Korean spots, no new Koreans would have been able to qualify as the mid-tier Koreans the foreigners beat would take those places instead.

And this is the problem of region lock. Unlocking the region would only serve to help top Koreans. The qualifiers generally ensure we only get the top Koreans, and so it would be elsewhere. This solution would only serve to help those who do not need help.

Yes, Reynor will go back to WCS if he loses, but he's beatable. It's not really any guarantee that he'll make it past the ro16/ro8. But Classic, were he in WCS, would be a favourite against any foreigner (and TRUE) he faced.

This is not true. Prince is a newcomer who got denied his Code S spot last year by Elazer.
I'm sure there are more examples but this is one obvious example that comes to mind.

The mental gymnastics people do to justify the discrimiation against koreans never fail to amaze me.
INnoVation
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2370 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-07 03:18:53
July 07 2018 03:18 GMT
#88
Everyone's already said it, but that final game was genuinely great by Reynor. He did all the right things and really earned the victory. Now for Neeb.

orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
July 07 2018 03:57 GMT
#89
wowowowoza. gj yungReynor
Squitle-MC-Parting-Major-Polt
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United Kingdom2499 Posts
July 07 2018 17:57 GMT
#90
Reynor bonjwa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bzlsFfIahY
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada12486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-08 04:46:04
July 08 2018 01:43 GMT
#91
congratz to Reynor, Classic, as well as Blizzard/Browder/Kim/Pardo/GSL-Staff for making games like the Reynor//Classic series possible
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
LordYama
Profile Joined August 2010
United States357 Posts
July 08 2018 17:39 GMT
#92
You can find a number of Reynor games from over the last year on Youtube now. He seems pretty legit and has his own style but he seems very solid especially in midgame engagements and counterattacks, has his own quirks like doing some early game builds with small number of mutas. He seems better than many pro zergs at doing surrounds flanks, and sniping medivacs and warp prisms with queens and hydras. I expect him to be the best foreigner soon.

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BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
447 Posts
July 08 2018 20:28 GMT
#93
I remember watching Reynor vs Snute a few years ago when Reynor was just a kid (his parents were with him at the tourney).

Snute beat him with ease. Now so good to see him playing so well with some of the best players in the world!
Big Red Dog!
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3218 Posts
July 08 2018 21:41 GMT
#94
On July 06 2018 17:34 MockHamill wrote:
If Reynor wins the GSL will he get a spot at Blizzcon?


Yes but lets not get carried away, to win GSL hes going to have to take down a Korean god in a bo7 very very very unlikely to happen, however I could see him winning WCS Valencia or Montreal which would also get him to Blizzcon.
blardoh
Profile Joined June 2017
19 Posts
July 08 2018 22:26 GMT
#95
On July 05 2018 08:08 10dla wrote:
Why is Korea not region locked....


Do you honestly not know what GSL stands for?
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5017 Posts
July 08 2018 23:55 GMT
#96
On July 08 2018 10:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
congratz to Reynor, Classic, as well as Blizzard/Browder/Kim/Pardo/GSL-Staff for making games like the Reynor//Classic series possible


I like that we are thanking David Kim and Dustin Browder.
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1196 Posts
July 09 2018 08:48 GMT
#97
reynor looked exactly like rogue

like, exactly

it was weird
fededevi
Profile Joined April 2018
Italy25 Posts
July 09 2018 09:01 GMT
#98
He actually beaten Classic 2-1 again in the Olimoleague just 2 days after the GSL macth, just to lose to Zest 2-0 :/
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada12486 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 14:20:34
July 09 2018 14:18 GMT
#99
On July 09 2018 08:55 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2018 10:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
congratz to Reynor, Classic, as well as Blizzard/Browder/Kim/Pardo/GSL-Staff for making games like the Reynor//Classic series possible


I like that we are thanking David Kim and Dustin Browder.

they did a great job. so did Pardo..

its sad the new guy has to hide behind the comment "i'm representing the balance team" due to immature individuals raging at previous SC2 multiplayer design leads.

8 years in and SC2 is still great. of course for those who disagree they can always play C&C Rivals.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany11959 Posts
July 11 2018 07:35 GMT
#100
On July 09 2018 07:26 blardoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2018 08:08 10dla wrote:
Why is Korea not region locked....


Do you honestly not know what GSL stands for?

Pls stop your double-standards.
INnoVation
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