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On August 06 2018 23:20 JoFar wrote:Is it though? Honestly, that's just exactly the bias everyone was talking about. Only Korea is good, all other regions and players are shitty ... in the end it's, as i said, just bias ... with no truth behind it.
That's not bias, that's just fact. WCS events are easy for top players like Serral.
Look at the results of WeSG, IEM Katowice, even the GSL seasons that feature a lot of the best foreigners. Other than Serral they went 5-15 in maps at gsl vs tw, whereas Serral went 11-4.
Like I've been saying for a while now, foreigners have to do much less to get worshipped than koreans. TY, Dark, Maru, and Classic farmed the hell out of foreigners it wesg events. No one cares because it's the norm. When dealing with the best players in the world, they're all capable of dominating lesser events.
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On August 06 2018 00:51 AlgeriaT wrote:
What a showing that was. Massive congratulations from Sweden to our Scandinavian brothers in the east! :D
Finland is not Scandinavia. Nordic brothers?
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On August 06 2018 23:43 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 23:20 JoFar wrote:So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. Is it though? Honestly, that's just exactly the bias everyone was talking about. Only Korea is good, all other regions and players are shitty ... in the end it's, as i said, just bias ... with no truth behind it. That's not bias, that's just fact. WCS events are easy for top players like Serral. Look at the results of WeSG, IEM Katowice, even the GSL seasons that feature a lot of the best foreigners. Other than Serral they went 5-15 in maps at gsl vs tw, whereas Serral went 11-4. Like I've been saying for a while now, foreigners have to do much less to get worshipped than koreans. TY, Dark, Maru, and Classic farmed the hell out of foreigners it wesg events. No one cares because it's the norm. When dealing with the best players in the world, they're all capable of dominating lesser events.
AGreed, Maru wins everything everywhere and then loses 2 games, one of which was BO1, admits he didn't practise and suddenly out of knowhere Serrals accomplishments are better? What? I don't doubt he's good ,but seriously? This overhype is killing SErral for me the same way Flash fans killed Flash in SC2 for me. (and partially JD)
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People saying that Serral's GSL vs The World win doesn't mean he was better than the Koreans are missing the point. He was better than them during this event. Period.
Serral also has the most WCS Points in the world.
Serral also has the highest MMR in the world.
Some naysayers will say thats not enough, so come Blizzcon he'll have his chance to be the very best all over again.
The people who keep doubting Serral just serve to motivate him... this dude plays like a beast. Congrats!
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On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either.
"easy", i see
so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well.
by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?)
but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me.
if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you
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Well, hasn't Serral been living and training in Korea for at least 4 months now?
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On August 07 2018 01:39 ThunderJunk wrote:
Well, hasn't Serral been living and training in Korea for at least 4 months now?
No, he’s been there a couple of weeks before this event and went for a couple of months at the end of last year he mostly stays and plays in Finland
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On August 07 2018 01:50 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 01:39 ThunderJunk wrote:
Well, hasn't Serral been living and training in Korea for at least 4 months now? No, he’s been there a couple of weeks before this event and went for a couple of months at the end of last year he mostly stays and plays in Finland
Oh wow
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On August 07 2018 00:58 uummpaa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 23:02 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 22:21 uummpaa wrote:On August 06 2018 22:06 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 19:19 Drake wrote:On August 06 2018 00:01 Riner1212 wrote:
I have to congratulate serial for displaying great perseverance/prowess to win the tournament, but winning one tournament does not make him a god. expect he won his last 4 tournaments .. He won IEM Katowice and WeSG? right he was only top4 in those, so he just won the last three tournaments he entered, which shouldn't change the point to much i presume No but are wcs wins really that valuble? The guy said winning one event doesn't make you a god, which is true. So I'd assume winning easy events doesn't either. "easy", i see so far scarlett took more series from serral than dark in the last b05, but i'm sure that means nothing as well. by the way, why was there never a korean that dominated that hard outside of korea, neither polt, nor hydra where close to the consistency of serral (or are they not so good as well anymore?) but it´s pointless anyway, i see serral eye to eye with top koreans, the fact that he beats them in a game called sc2 is enough for me. if you are willing to change or reinterpret anything but the natural laws themself too not change the "korea > rest" idea, all power to you
Scarlett taking two maps of Serral was literally a 1 in 20 result. It's probably the only time Serral's been on match point all year. Wcs tournaments are easy for Serral. They'd be just easy for the top koreans as well (exampes being WeSG and Katowice). Don't make the mistake of cherry picking the results that favour your view and not looking at the tournaments as a whole.
You seem to think I'm trying to downplay Serral's skill, which isn't true. He's on the same level as top koerans. What I'm trying to say is that wcs events aren't much of a challenge for him, and the level of play in them isn't close to that of korean events. I couldn't care less if he farms 3, 4, or even 10 of them. It's like when SpeCial farms the latin american events, doesn't say anything about how he'll be in the global tournaments.
And btw, koreans like Polt and Hydra were not on the same level as those who dominated in korea like Maru or Dark either.
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On August 07 2018 01:50 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 01:39 ThunderJunk wrote:
Well, hasn't Serral been living and training in Korea for at least 4 months now? No, he’s been there a couple of weeks before this event and went for a couple of months at the end of last year he mostly stays and plays in Finland
I don't think he even went there weeks before the event, Showtime did. As far as I know Serral just went there for the event and is already back in Finland now.
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United States94910 Posts
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Pretty sick to see a foreigner actually win a GSL tournament against such a difficult field. It'll be interesting to see what he can accomplish at Blizzcon, either way awesome games and congratulations to Serral.
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On August 06 2018 23:48 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 00:51 AlgeriaT wrote:
What a showing that was. Massive congratulations from Sweden to our Scandinavian brothers in the east! :D Finland is not Scandinavia. Nordic brothers?
You learn something new everyday on TL - thanks!
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On August 07 2018 02:49 Shellshock wrote:
bonjwa
Agreed.
So dominant.
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is serral the next foreign banjo? we haf to wait and see, torille.
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On August 07 2018 03:17 IshinShishi wrote:
is serral the next foreign banjo? we haf to wait and see, torille.
Finland I would say is more of a accordion country than a banjo country. I'd definitely say he is the next foreign accordion. 
I was just looking at Serral's results on liquipedia though, 2018 is really something extra:
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/UGSFHcJ.png)
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Haven't been following Starcraft 2, a foreigner at the top of Alegulac winning Korean tournaments with a winrate of 80%.
This doesn't seem right...
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On August 07 2018 03:49 thezanursic wrote:
Haven't been following Starcraft 2, a foreigner at the top of Alegulac winning Korean tournaments with a winrate of 80%.
This doesn't seem right...
Finland doesn't exist, he isn't real.
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Maru's 2018 has been as dominant with much stronger competition, I wouldn't dream of putting Serral above him, but a top 5 PR def seems fitting.
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The tourney was awesome and the GSL/Afreeca production is just awesome. The effort they put in GSL and GSL vs World is just so cool and unique.. every tournament is unique, its just awesome!!
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