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On October 19 2018 03:22 JonSnow wrote: My Ranking: 1. Dark 2. Maru 3. Serral 4. Stats 5. sOs 6. TY 7. Classic 8. Neeb 9. Rogue 10.Special 11.Lambo 12. Zest 13. Showtime 14. Nerchio 15. Heromarine 16. Has
Dark's Blizzcon sorry doubters.
TL's Power rank: Having a hard time predicting which Liquid player they will put 1st
At least your list is spicy. Although not having Classic top 5 is blasphemy
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Expected to win: Maru, sOs
Could win: Stats, Classic, TY, Rogue
Can go far but I don't think will win: Neeb, Zest, Serral, Dark
Participating is always fun: ShowTime, SpeCial, Lambo, Nerchio, HeroMarine, Has
Power Rank prediction: 1. Maru 2. Serral 3. Classic 4. TY 5. sOs 6. Stats 7. Dark 8. Zest 9. Neeb 10. Rogue 11. Special 12. Showtime 13. Heromarine 14. Nerchio 15. Lambo 16. Has
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On October 19 2018 03:19 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 00:31 Tempest wrote:On October 18 2018 23:36 opisska wrote: Really nobody thinks that TL will put Serral #1? Such a lack of faith! 3 GSL championships back to back is more significant than Serrals impressive rampage to probably 99.9% of the community. Nothing against serral, but if TL doesnt rank Maru first, they haven't been paying attention and have limited understanding of how difficult each tournament is in comparison to each other lol. The counter argument is that even if Maru 3 GSL win are more impressive than Serral 4 WCS + GSL vs the World win. Maru did lose once in a while, and Serral as not lose a single match since the start of Mai, and it was a bo1, in fact we need to go back to March for him to lose his last bo3+ (vs non other than Maru itself). Altought he did lose 2 bo1 back to back vs SoO in Nation War so that kind of count too. So all and all I think Maru still deserve to be first but it's still a bit weird to do so when he just lost his last tournament and in the meanwhile Serral won everything he was in for the last 6 months even if it was mostly against a weaker field. and how many top 10 players did Serral beat during his "unbeaten" streak?
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On October 19 2018 12:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 03:19 Nakajin wrote:On October 19 2018 00:31 Tempest wrote:On October 18 2018 23:36 opisska wrote: Really nobody thinks that TL will put Serral #1? Such a lack of faith! 3 GSL championships back to back is more significant than Serrals impressive rampage to probably 99.9% of the community. Nothing against serral, but if TL doesnt rank Maru first, they haven't been paying attention and have limited understanding of how difficult each tournament is in comparison to each other lol. The counter argument is that even if Maru 3 GSL win are more impressive than Serral 4 WCS + GSL vs the World win. Maru did lose once in a while, and Serral as not lose a single match since the start of Mai, and it was a bo1, in fact we need to go back to March for him to lose his last bo3+ (vs non other than Maru itself). Altought he did lose 2 bo1 back to back vs SoO in Nation War so that kind of count too. So all and all I think Maru still deserve to be first but it's still a bit weird to do so when he just lost his last tournament and in the meanwhile Serral won everything he was in for the last 6 months even if it was mostly against a weaker field. and how many top 10 players did Serral beat during his "unbeaten" streak? Stats, Dark, Maru and INnoVation were beaten after the bo1 loss in may. Classic was beaten after the loss vs Maru in march.
Serral is 13-5 vs Koreans since last BlizzCon.
2 of the losses are the bo1 vs soO, there are 2 bo5 losses vs Classic and Maru, and a bo7 loss vs Bunny.
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On October 19 2018 13:53 Drfilip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 12:37 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 03:19 Nakajin wrote:On October 19 2018 00:31 Tempest wrote:On October 18 2018 23:36 opisska wrote: Really nobody thinks that TL will put Serral #1? Such a lack of faith! 3 GSL championships back to back is more significant than Serrals impressive rampage to probably 99.9% of the community. Nothing against serral, but if TL doesnt rank Maru first, they haven't been paying attention and have limited understanding of how difficult each tournament is in comparison to each other lol. The counter argument is that even if Maru 3 GSL win are more impressive than Serral 4 WCS + GSL vs the World win. Maru did lose once in a while, and Serral as not lose a single match since the start of Mai, and it was a bo1, in fact we need to go back to March for him to lose his last bo3+ (vs non other than Maru itself). Altought he did lose 2 bo1 back to back vs SoO in Nation War so that kind of count too. So all and all I think Maru still deserve to be first but it's still a bit weird to do so when he just lost his last tournament and in the meanwhile Serral won everything he was in for the last 6 months even if it was mostly against a weaker field. and how many top 10 players did Serral beat during his "unbeaten" streak? Stats, Dark, Maru and INnoVation were beaten after the bo1 loss in may. Classic was beaten after the loss vs Maru in march. Serral is 13-5 vs Koreans since last BlizzCon. 2 of the losses are the bo1 vs soO, there are 2 bo5 losses vs Classic and Maru, and a bo7 loss vs Bunny.
Holy shit. 13-5?! I actually hadn't realized that. That's amazing.
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On October 19 2018 14:06 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 13:53 Drfilip wrote:On October 19 2018 12:37 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 03:19 Nakajin wrote:On October 19 2018 00:31 Tempest wrote:On October 18 2018 23:36 opisska wrote: Really nobody thinks that TL will put Serral #1? Such a lack of faith! 3 GSL championships back to back is more significant than Serrals impressive rampage to probably 99.9% of the community. Nothing against serral, but if TL doesnt rank Maru first, they haven't been paying attention and have limited understanding of how difficult each tournament is in comparison to each other lol. The counter argument is that even if Maru 3 GSL win are more impressive than Serral 4 WCS + GSL vs the World win. Maru did lose once in a while, and Serral as not lose a single match since the start of Mai, and it was a bo1, in fact we need to go back to March for him to lose his last bo3+ (vs non other than Maru itself). Altought he did lose 2 bo1 back to back vs SoO in Nation War so that kind of count too. So all and all I think Maru still deserve to be first but it's still a bit weird to do so when he just lost his last tournament and in the meanwhile Serral won everything he was in for the last 6 months even if it was mostly against a weaker field. and how many top 10 players did Serral beat during his "unbeaten" streak? Stats, Dark, Maru and INnoVation were beaten after the bo1 loss in may. Classic was beaten after the loss vs Maru in march. Serral is 13-5 vs Koreans since last BlizzCon. 2 of the losses are the bo1 vs soO, there are 2 bo5 losses vs Classic and Maru, and a bo7 loss vs Bunny. Holy shit. 13-5?! I actually hadn't realized that. That's amazing. Thats counting in wins against TRUE and during the IEM qualifiers on the european server though.
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I think The zergs have the highest chance of winning overall but Maru has the highest chance of winning personally. so my top 5 would be 1. Maru 2. Dark 3. Serral 4. Rogue 5. Classic. Classic is looking pretty strong lately but I don't think he will likely be able to cheese out the zergs or deal with proxies from maru.
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I think someone before was on the right clue. We need to separate people who can win it all from those who can't:
People who (could) win it all:
1. sOs 2. Rogue 3. Maru 4. Dark 5. Serral 6. Stats 7. Classic 8. Special
Players who can't win it all:
9. TY 10. Zest 11. Showtime 12. Neeb 13. Lambo 14. Has 15. Heromarine 16. Nerchio
Note that the top 8 I chose are not necessarily the currently best 8. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if some from the botttom 8 made it to top 8. However, I am 99.99% certain that nobody in the bottom 8 on my list will take first place; conversely anyone on the top 8 of my list *could* take 1st place.
Edit I found spoiler-free VODs of Blizzcon 2018 on youtube already. Unfortunately the screen is kind of blank.
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On October 20 2018 08:36 KR_4EVR wrote: I think someone before was on the right clue. We need to separate people who can win it all from those who can't:
People who (could) win it all:
1. sOs 2. Rogue 3. Maru 4. Dark 5. Serral 6. Stats 7. Classic 8. Special
Players who can't win it all:
9. TY 10. Zest 11. Showtime 12. Neeb 13. Lambo 14. Has 15. Heromarine 16. Nerchio
Note that the top 8 I chose are not necessarily the currently best 8. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if some from the botttom 8 made it to top 8. However, I am 99.99% certain that nobody in the bottom 8 on my list will take first place; conversely anyone on the top 8 of my list *could* take 1st place.
Edit I found spoiler-free VODs of Blizzcon 2018 on youtube already. Unfortunately the screen is kind of blank.
What makes you think Special could win it all but TY can't? I also think Zest has a much better chance than stats but that's just my opinion.
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On October 20 2018 10:01 ZackAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 08:36 KR_4EVR wrote: I think someone before was on the right clue. We need to separate people who can win it all from those who can't:
People who (could) win it all:
1. sOs 2. Rogue 3. Maru 4. Dark 5. Serral 6. Stats 7. Classic 8. Special
Players who can't win it all:
9. TY 10. Zest 11. Showtime 12. Neeb 13. Lambo 14. Has 15. Heromarine 16. Nerchio
Note that the top 8 I chose are not necessarily the currently best 8. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if some from the botttom 8 made it to top 8. However, I am 99.99% certain that nobody in the bottom 8 on my list will take first place; conversely anyone on the top 8 of my list *could* take 1st place.
Edit I found spoiler-free VODs of Blizzcon 2018 on youtube already. Unfortunately the screen is kind of blank. What makes you think Special could win it all but TY can't? I also think Zest has a much better chance than stats but that's just my opinion. Zest having a better chance than Stats is a fucking laugh. Zest won't make it past group stage. Very likely 0-2
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This ranking is wrong doesnt feature the true god of sc2 and that is Avilo at 2 and Has at number one
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On October 20 2018 10:45 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 10:01 ZackAttack wrote:On October 20 2018 08:36 KR_4EVR wrote: I think someone before was on the right clue. We need to separate people who can win it all from those who can't:
People who (could) win it all:
1. sOs 2. Rogue 3. Maru 4. Dark 5. Serral 6. Stats 7. Classic 8. Special
Players who can't win it all:
9. TY 10. Zest 11. Showtime 12. Neeb 13. Lambo 14. Has 15. Heromarine 16. Nerchio
Note that the top 8 I chose are not necessarily the currently best 8. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if some from the botttom 8 made it to top 8. However, I am 99.99% certain that nobody in the bottom 8 on my list will take first place; conversely anyone on the top 8 of my list *could* take 1st place.
Edit I found spoiler-free VODs of Blizzcon 2018 on youtube already. Unfortunately the screen is kind of blank. What makes you think Special could win it all but TY can't? I also think Zest has a much better chance than stats but that's just my opinion. Zest having a better chance than Stats is a fucking laugh. Zest won't make it past group stage. Very likely 0-2
Zest's first games are against Heromarine. No way he loses that. I agree that zest has the much harder group while stats is certainly going to make it out, but it's not a "laugh".
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On October 20 2018 14:44 ZackAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 10:45 Cricketer12 wrote:On October 20 2018 10:01 ZackAttack wrote:On October 20 2018 08:36 KR_4EVR wrote: I think someone before was on the right clue. We need to separate people who can win it all from those who can't:
People who (could) win it all:
1. sOs 2. Rogue 3. Maru 4. Dark 5. Serral 6. Stats 7. Classic 8. Special
Players who can't win it all:
9. TY 10. Zest 11. Showtime 12. Neeb 13. Lambo 14. Has 15. Heromarine 16. Nerchio
Note that the top 8 I chose are not necessarily the currently best 8. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if some from the botttom 8 made it to top 8. However, I am 99.99% certain that nobody in the bottom 8 on my list will take first place; conversely anyone on the top 8 of my list *could* take 1st place.
Edit I found spoiler-free VODs of Blizzcon 2018 on youtube already. Unfortunately the screen is kind of blank. What makes you think Special could win it all but TY can't? I also think Zest has a much better chance than stats but that's just my opinion. Zest having a better chance than Stats is a fucking laugh. Zest won't make it past group stage. Very likely 0-2 Zest's first games are against Heromarine. No way he loses that. I agree that zest has the much harder group while stats is certainly going to make it out, but it's not a "laugh".
While it's true that Zest should roll over Heromarine, he does have his NA moments and can go 0-4 for the day against inferior players. It's a Zest thing.
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I admit that I am a bit biased towards foreigners, but I feel like Heromarine could very well win against Zest here. Mainly because in this group he is the most likely to be underestimated. It is a group of two Korean Protosses and Serral, and the Koreans don't really ever play against him, plus they are most likely concentrated on beating each other and Serral. And Heromarine is a really good player who is capable of getting a win here if he does his homework. There is upset potential here, I don't expect it, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it happened.
Also, Heromarine could just not even prepare to play against Serral and concentrate only on his TvP, while both Zest and sOs will most likely try to practice for all matchups. or at least for two of them.
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players who could win
Maru Serral TY Dark Stats sOs Rogue
players that cannot win
Classic Zest Neeb SpeCial ShowTime Lambo Has Nerchio HeroMarine
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