Serral wins the 2018 WCS Global Finals
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Anc13nt
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Charoisaur
Germany15567 Posts
On November 08 2018 01:25 Xain0n wrote: I share Rion's opinions! Elazer kind of underperformed, he is stronger than the players I listed; it's fair that he didn't make it to BlizzCon, but ideally he should have. Scarlett did very well in GSL and won IEM Pyeonchang, she probably wasn't as focused on Circuit events; if she only could add her WCS Korea points, she would have been at BlizzCon. Reynor almost made it being able to play only two events, i don't see how he couldn't deserve a BlizzCon spot. Okay you have a point with Scarlett but I don't see why you think Elazer is stronger than Has/HM/Nerchio. His results weren't very good. Just because of his reputation? Then I could also say Innovation is better than TY because he's theoretically capable of performing at a higher skill level even though it didn't show in his results. | ||
Geo.Rion
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On November 08 2018 02:22 Charoisaur wrote: Okay you have a point with Scarlett but I don't see why you think Elazer is stronger than Has/HM/Nerchio. His results weren't very good. Just because of his reputation? Then I could also say Innovation is better than TY because he's theoretically capable of performing at a higher skill level even though it didn't show in his results. I dont think anyone is arguing that Elazer should have had the spot. What I, and some other people, are saying that if we were given the task to invite the 8 most skilled foreigners, we would have picked 3-4 different people than the ones who qualified. As u point out with Reynor and Scarlett a case can be made they would have made in "on their own" if the circumstances were different, not with Elazer. I still would have picked him for the "dreamteam". Why do I say that? Quality of play for one. I for one watch the game, especially the zerg games to see how well they re playing. Elazer played very well this year. He won some tournaments and did well in others, but not quite well enough in WCS. None of his eliminations from WCS were that shocking though, he went out every single time vs the top rep of each race, Serral, Special and Neeb respectively. Bracket draw does impact WCS points, and it s fine, part of the process, Elazer just drawn less well this year, as he could have, his play still looked really solid. Not dominant, but really solid. Better than nerchio`s i would say, as least as good as Lambo`s, probably better. | ||
Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
The foreigner will caught because korean are falling. | ||
IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On November 08 2018 04:27 Mun_Su wrote: tbh i think that Maru or Serral would have never won 2 GSL in 2015 for exemple. the game is far less competitive that it was. This is why INnoVation is impressive for having won at least one major tournament from 2013 to 2017. Korean skill has faltered in 2018. In 2012 to 2015 they were so many top korean, having all these finals from soO was something really impressive. But in 2018 only Maru and stats were top level all the year. TY, Classic and Rogue had up and downs, Zest is good one day in 10, same for sOs... INnovation didn't achieve anything this year etc. The foreigner will caught because korean are falling. True, back in sc2's prime days it was a blessing if you could see the top players streaming or playing any other tournament outside of the offline korean ones, the minor tournaments were reserved for a vast amount of mid to low tier players, but nowadays you open a random stream and you will get to see Dark vs Ty level matches on repeat and it lost it's charm, it's like the korean scene is comprised of 16 players and their alt accounts. | ||
IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On November 07 2018 16:12 FvRGg wrote: Hmm I do think that 3 GSL's are a greater achievement, its the hardest tournament to win in starcraft. Let's put it this way - Maru and Serral trade spots for 2018 - what are the chances Maru wins all 4 WCS tournaments? Very very high if you ask me. The chances Serral wins all 3 GSL... IMO it's quite low, but I'll concede its impossible to truly say considering he has never competed in GSL. Maru also won WESG, which is pretty much on par with blizzcon, how are we only talking about his 3 GSLs? | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Serral and Maru have enough skill so that they could win premier champioships back in 2015; their 2018 streaks would have been very unlikely. | ||
marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
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Anc13nt
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On November 08 2018 04:58 IshinShishi wrote: Maru also won WESG, which is pretty much on par with blizzcon, how are we only talking about his 3 GSLs? tbf, it was me who made that comparison (that GSL vs the World is comparable to WESG). If you look at it that way then basically you can remove the two tournaments from the equation and just compare 3 GSL to Blizzcon + 4 WCS Circuit. But now that I think of it a bit more, I would say winning WESG is closer to winning IEM WC than GSL vs the World in terms of prestige since it is a much larger tournament (in terms of player pool and prize pool) and its format is more similar to IEM WC. That means WESG is probably more prestigious than GSL vs the World and probably close to as prestigious as winning IEM WC. Edit: BTW first prize in WESG is 200k and Blizzcon is 280k so it's actually only 80k difference. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Personally, i previously compared 3 GSL to 4 WCS+GSL vs the World and BlizzCon to WESG; it seems me more appropriate, to me. If it comes down to numbers, Serral is ahead in 2018:more earnings, better win percentage and so on. The exact prestige given to GSL cannot actually be exactly agreed upon; top Koreans are still better on average than top foreigners but i don't think this makes up for Maru not winning both Super Tournaments, when comparing him to Serral steamrolling the Circuit and winning GSL vs the World. | ||
papapanda
Taiwan326 Posts
Amazing games and great story line, congrats Serral! It was great to see Stats improving each game to combat the swarmhosts to make sure at least Serral didn't sweep the whole thing. Stat's way to the finals seemed comparatively easy on paper: Has, Showtime, Special, sOs. But Special also played well and I can't wait to see more of him. Pumped about the future of starcraft! | ||
Sphairos
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The bottom line is : Serral is great and Maru is great. The future will tell. | ||
HDRhineland
Germany20 Posts
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Deleted User 329278
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On November 08 2018 22:23 Sphairos wrote: Guys, in the thread devoted to Serral's majestic victory you're obsessed with Maru's inferiority/superiority. Just stop, c'mon you. The bottom line is : Serral is great and Maru is great. The future will tell. plz dont - let me enjoy more terran salt. | ||
hiroshOne
Poland423 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
now it's way more impressive to have a foreigner make it instead of a korean So Serral was not only the best SC player of 2018 he had of one best years of all-time with so much money and prestige wins He could retire today and would still remain GOAT foreigner for sure one of the most dominant players i have seen.. mastery of all levels of play and wonderfull to see | ||
AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
I think it’s more Anti-foreigner salt than Terran Lol. | ||
WorstNameEver
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I will admit that Maru is a great player, but no one can match Serral's adaptability in a game. In 2018, I am pretty sure that almost half of Serral's matches in WCS tournaments were won in a 3-0 fashion. The only WCS tournament this year that Serral did not smack anyone down excessively in was Montreal, but he was against Scarlett, Lambo and Reynor for the top 8, 4 and grand final respectively and they are all great players. Sure, GCS has better players on average, but once you get to the top 16 of GCS or WCS the players are usually all incredibly well matched. Either way, I personally think Serral is a better player just because I myself am a zerg player and generally, Zerg find it hard to play anything other than a standard macro usually. Serral is by far the most efficient starcraft II player currently and I believe that economy is usually the best way to tell between players. Someone who can eco better will usually win assuming it is a macro game, whoever uses their units better will win most engagements, whoever can adapt the best will usually suffer the least losses. Serral does all three of those things the best. Honestly, though, I think there is one player who is gonna top Serral and Maru in a year or two. That is Reynor. I mean seriously, he lost 3-4 to Serral, who is arguably the best player of 2018 in a ZvZ, which Serral plays the most often out of any matchup (he has played ~170 ZvZ, ~110 ZvT and ~80 ZvP). Top 8 in GCS at the age of 14, got top 8 in a WCS in Valencia this year but got smacked down by Serral and then loses by a game in the very next WCS of that year. | ||
Crocolisk Dundee
843 Posts
Hope we will see a bit more competition in WCS Circuit in 2019. This year, Serral was very dominant. | ||
NinjaNight
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