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ProBell
Profile Joined May 2012
United States134 Posts
December 05 2018 21:59 GMT
#8
Dat Global Finals #######

Last time I felt that hype was the Hearth of the Swarm launch event around the world
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia16605 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-05 23:02:24
December 05 2018 23:02 GMT
#9
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada6948 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 00:02:49
December 05 2018 23:57 GMT
#10
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia16605 Posts
December 06 2018 01:07 GMT
#11
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.

Thanks for this response! He has been so active for SC2 for so long, I think itd be great if he was occassionally invited to things like homestory cup so we get a chance to see him in a different element.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq13308 Posts
December 06 2018 03:15 GMT
#12
On December 06 2018 10:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.

Thanks for this response! He has been so active for SC2 for so long, I think itd be great if he was occassionally invited to things like homestory cup so we get a chance to see him in a different element.


He was at Homestory Cup 10 (which was admittedly quite a while ago).
Phattyasmo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States52 Posts
December 06 2018 03:22 GMT
#13
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.



You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one.
Stijn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands363 Posts
December 06 2018 08:25 GMT
#14
On December 06 2018 12:22 Phattyasmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.



You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one.

I'm kind of tired of the whole viewbots discussion, but sidestepping that, I don't think Winter's audience and the audience of a GSL Grand Finals overlap that much. As Zzoram says, Winter's stream is the epitome of casual variety SC2, which is pretty much the antithesis of GSL. So it's not that strange that a Korean tournament like GSL wouldn't affect his viewer numbers too much.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic7191 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 09:09:39
December 06 2018 09:08 GMT
#15
On December 06 2018 12:22 Phattyasmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.



You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one.

It's pretty easy. If your target audience are newbies and casuals then these people may not even know there's some GSL grand finals on nor they know who's competing in there. Explanation done.

Edit> Should have refresh the page
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agripsss
Profile Joined June 2018
20 Posts
December 06 2018 09:12 GMT
#16
On December 06 2018 17:25 Stijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 12:22 Phattyasmo wrote:
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.



You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one.

I'm kind of tired of the whole viewbots discussion, but sidestepping that, I don't think Winter's audience and the audience of a GSL Grand Finals overlap that much. As Zzoram says, Winter's stream is the epitome of casual variety SC2, which is pretty much the antithesis of GSL. So it's not that strange that a Korean tournament like GSL wouldn't affect his viewer numbers too much.

was never a fan of winter because of the dub step music and he plays random
but now that i started playing again(not just watching) hes a good resource
and his angry coach youtbe videos are pretty entertaining
lambo is another good stream if your trying to improve your gameplay
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan4536 Posts
December 06 2018 10:36 GMT
#17
I dont like the dude, but you cannot deny that his stream has a lot of value in many ways compared to most sc2 streams, or twitch streams in general, it's good for the game too.
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HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy744 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 11:58:05
December 06 2018 11:56 GMT
#18
People have to realize that from time to time you can get bots in your twitch channel, it's something that every channel can experience and it's annoying for the broadcaster as well. People nitpicked Winter at the time and started a crusade against him because he's casual and supposedly steal viewers from better players, but, as others already said in this thread, casual viewers don't care that much about GSL, pro players or WCS anyway. For what it's worth, maybe casual viewers can start from a more relaxed streamer and then get hooked and go to more tryhard streamers or tournaments :<

That being said, hoping we don't have to have this discussion every time Winter tops the top streamers chart
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany11953 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 19:39:50
December 06 2018 19:28 GMT
#19
On December 06 2018 10:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote:
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote:
I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content?


He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream.

Thanks for this response! He has been so active for SC2 for so long, I think itd be great if he was occassionally invited to things like homestory cup so we get a chance to see him in a different element.

he was at a homestory cup but since the viewbotting affair most organizers/other streamers etc don't want to be associated with him.
Blizzard got a lot of shit for inviting him to the community summit.

On December 06 2018 20:56 HsDLTitich wrote:
People have to realize that from time to time you can get bots in your twitch channel, it's something that every channel can experience and it's annoying for the broadcaster as well. People nitpicked Winter at the time and started a crusade against him because he's casual and supposedly steal viewers from better players, but, as others already said in this thread, casual viewers don't care that much about GSL, pro players or WCS anyway. For what it's worth, maybe casual viewers can start from a more relaxed streamer and then get hooked and go to more tryhard streamers or tournaments :<

That being said, hoping we don't have to have this discussion every time Winter tops the top streamers chart

Well - it was a lot more than "occassionaly getting bots in his channel". There was proof of constant viewbots on his channel which led to him losing his sponsorship with Nvidia and getting temporarily defeatured on TL.
The only reason he was able to somewhat save face was because he said someone else is botting him and there's nothing he can do about it. He may be clean now but we don't have to act like he's completely innocent and a victim of witchhunting.

I believe there were cases of other streamers getting viewbotted like HTOmario and avilo but it was completely different with them. They instantly noticed the suspicious viewer numbers and called out their viewers for it while Winter banned everyone mentioning the word viewbot in his channel.
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AntsKiller
Profile Joined June 2012
27 Posts
December 07 2018 16:46 GMT
#20
Sorry for the silly question, but I can't remember what was happening at March 2018. I am sure someone already explained in an other topic somewhere but couldn't find. Why was the viewership that huge at that month, even bigger than in November?
hg2g2
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada24 Posts
December 07 2018 17:05 GMT
#21
On December 08 2018 01:46 AntsKiller wrote:
Sorry for the silly question, but I can't remember what was happening at March 2018. I am sure someone already explained in an other topic somewhere but couldn't find. Why was the viewership that huge at that month, even bigger than in November?


Links to previous months are spoilered at the bottom. March was big for IEM World Championship, that Starcraft 20th anniversary stream, and lots of Nation Wars qualifiers that kept the concurrent viewer average high it seems. November probably had a lot more dead space between Blizzcon and HSC that brought the average down.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada12483 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-07 18:36:13
December 07 2018 18:34 GMT
#22
its probably not worth Blizzard's limited resources to do a thorough investigation to determine the extent to which Winter currently viewbots. They are too busy policing youtube overwatch players.

I find Winter's stream entertaining and informative. Is he a big, giant lying fraud? i have no clue. People like a sense of mystery in their video game lore; well, how about a sense of mystery in their video game twitch viewing?
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic7191 Posts
December 07 2018 19:53 GMT
#23
On December 08 2018 03:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
its probably not worth Blizzard's limited resources to do a thorough investigation to determine the extent to which Winter currently viewbots. They are too busy policing youtube overwatch players.

I find Winter's stream entertaining and informative. Is he a big, giant lying fraud? i have no clue. People like a sense of mystery in their video game lore; well, how about a sense of mystery in their video game twitch viewing?

Why would they care though? This should be a prime concern of the streaming platform. They create contracts based on viewer numbers.
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Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States237 Posts
December 07 2018 23:12 GMT
#24
On December 08 2018 01:46 AntsKiller wrote:
Sorry for the silly question, but I can't remember what was happening at March 2018. I am sure someone already explained in an other topic somewhere but couldn't find. Why was the viewership that huge at that month, even bigger than in November?


A major reason was the SC 20th anniversary event. Watching streams gave you a random chance to win in game items like portraits and announcers.
AntsKiller
Profile Joined June 2012
27 Posts
December 08 2018 09:35 GMT
#25
Links to previous months are spoilered at the bottom. March was big for IEM World Championship, that Starcraft 20th anniversary stream, and lots of Nation Wars qualifiers that kept the concurrent viewer average high it seems. November probably had a lot more dead space between Blizzcon and HSC that brought the average down.


A major reason was the SC 20th anniversary event. Watching streams gave you a random chance to win in game items like portraits and announcers.


Thank you very much, guys!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France9970 Posts
December 19 2018 14:25 GMT
#26
Livibee still playing sc ? I thought she moved on to other games
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curutcis
Profile Joined May 2015
San Marino273 Posts
December 19 2018 14:47 GMT
#27
On December 08 2018 03:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
its probably not worth Blizzard's limited resources to do a thorough investigation to determine the extent to which Winter currently viewbots. They are too busy policing youtube overwatch players.

I find Winter's stream entertaining and informative. Is he a big, giant lying fraud? i have no clue. People like a sense of mystery in their video game lore; well, how about a sense of mystery in their video game twitch viewing?


Hey, you got 12k posts. How many of these are textbots related? Your posts are informative and most of them on point. Are u a fraud?....i don't know.
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