WCSTop SC2 Streamers & Stats, November 2018
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5ecured
467 Posts
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getg00d
United States77 Posts
On December 05 2018 06:48 ProTech wrote: Once again by far more hours streamed. Respect, fam. | ||
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ProBell
United States128 Posts
Last time I felt that hype was the Hearth of the Swarm launch event around the world | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia16513 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada6911 Posts
On December 06 2018 08:02 BisuDagger wrote: I'm always curious, what does winter do on streams to keep his viewer count so consistent? Winter doesn't compete afaik. Does he host tournaments or cast anything besides his own content? He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia16513 Posts
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote: He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream. Thanks for this response! He has been so active for SC2 for so long, I think itd be great if he was occassionally invited to things like homestory cup so we get a chance to see him in a different element. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq13153 Posts
On December 06 2018 10:07 BisuDagger wrote: Thanks for this response! He has been so active for SC2 for so long, I think itd be great if he was occassionally invited to things like homestory cup so we get a chance to see him in a different element. He was at Homestory Cup 10 (which was admittedly quite a while ago). | ||
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Phattyasmo
United States51 Posts
On December 06 2018 08:57 Zzoram wrote: He’s pretty much always on at the same time, and has reruns playing when he’s not on. His hours are good for NA and EU. He date stamps his livestream so people know what they are watching during reruns. He has a variety of content, casting WCS replays, casting some small tournaments and show matches, angry coach casting subscriber replays, bronze league heroes casting replays, and he ladders and plays auto tournaments. He runs a lot of polls so his viewers can vote on what he does. He puts a lot of effort into overlays, sound effects, and visual meme effects, which give his stream a much higher production value feel than every other Starcraft 2 streamer. He’s also just kinda funny and very relaxing to watch and listen to without fully paying attention. Winter also gears his content and stream more towards new or casual players and he puts out a YouTube video basically every day, which also get good views and probably attract people to his Twitch stream. You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands362 Posts
On December 06 2018 12:22 Phattyasmo wrote: You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one. I'm kind of tired of the whole viewbots discussion, but sidestepping that, I don't think Winter's audience and the audience of a GSL Grand Finals overlap that much. As Zzoram says, Winter's stream is the epitome of casual variety SC2, which is pretty much the antithesis of GSL. So it's not that strange that a Korean tournament like GSL wouldn't affect his viewer numbers too much. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic7039 Posts
On December 06 2018 12:22 Phattyasmo wrote: You also forgot to mention that he has/does viewbots. Pretty easy to get views when you keep your computer on 24/7 and still get 300-400 viewers on his re-runs. He's the only person I know that had more viewers on his stream while a GSL Grand Finals was on at the same time. Explain that one. It's pretty easy. If your target audience are newbies and casuals then these people may not even know there's some GSL grand finals on nor they know who's competing in there. Explanation done. Edit> Should have refresh the page  | ||
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agripsss
18 Posts
On December 06 2018 17:25 Stijn wrote: I'm kind of tired of the whole viewbots discussion, but sidestepping that, I don't think Winter's audience and the audience of a GSL Grand Finals overlap that much. As Zzoram says, Winter's stream is the epitome of casual variety SC2, which is pretty much the antithesis of GSL. So it's not that strange that a Korean tournament like GSL wouldn't affect his viewer numbers too much. was never a fan of winter because of the dub step music and he plays random but now that i started playing again(not just watching) hes a good resource and his angry coach youtbe videos are pretty entertaining lambo is another good stream if your trying to improve your gameplay | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan4512 Posts
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HsDLTitich
Italy737 Posts
That being said, hoping we don't have to have this discussion every time Winter tops the top streamers chart | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany11791 Posts
On December 06 2018 10:07 BisuDagger wrote: Thanks for this response! He has been so active for SC2 for so long, I think itd be great if he was occassionally invited to things like homestory cup so we get a chance to see him in a different element. he was at a homestory cup but since the viewbotting affair most organizers/other streamers etc don't want to be associated with him. Blizzard got a lot of shit for inviting him to the community summit. On December 06 2018 20:56 HsDLTitich wrote: People have to realize that from time to time you can get bots in your twitch channel, it's something that every channel can experience and it's annoying for the broadcaster as well. People nitpicked Winter at the time and started a crusade against him because he's casual and supposedly steal viewers from better players, but, as others already said in this thread, casual viewers don't care that much about GSL, pro players or WCS anyway. For what it's worth, maybe casual viewers can start from a more relaxed streamer and then get hooked and go to more tryhard streamers or tournaments :< That being said, hoping we don't have to have this discussion every time Winter tops the top streamers chart Well - it was a lot more than "occassionaly getting bots in his channel". There was proof of constant viewbots on his channel which led to him losing his sponsorship with Nvidia and getting temporarily defeatured on TL. The only reason he was able to somewhat save face was because he said someone else is botting him and there's nothing he can do about it. He may be clean now but we don't have to act like he's completely innocent and a victim of witchhunting. I believe there were cases of other streamers getting viewbotted like HTOmario and avilo but it was completely different with them. They instantly noticed the suspicious viewer numbers and called out their viewers for it while Winter banned everyone mentioning the word viewbot in his channel. | ||
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AntsKiller
27 Posts
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hg2g2
Canada21 Posts
On December 08 2018 01:46 AntsKiller wrote: Sorry for the silly question, but I can't remember what was happening at March 2018. I am sure someone already explained in an other topic somewhere but couldn't find. Why was the viewership that huge at that month, even bigger than in November? Links to previous months are spoilered at the bottom. March was big for IEM World Championship, that Starcraft 20th anniversary stream, and lots of Nation Wars qualifiers that kept the concurrent viewer average high it seems. November probably had a lot more dead space between Blizzcon and HSC that brought the average down. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada12208 Posts
 I find Winter's stream entertaining and informative. Is he a big, giant lying fraud? i have no clue. People like a sense of mystery in their video game lore; well, how about a sense of mystery in their video game twitch viewing? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic7039 Posts
On December 08 2018 03:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: its probably not worth Blizzard's limited resources to do a thorough investigation to determine the extent to which Winter currently viewbots. They are too busy policing youtube overwatch players. I find Winter's stream entertaining and informative. Is he a big, giant lying fraud? i have no clue. People like a sense of mystery in their video game lore; well, how about a sense of mystery in their video game twitch viewing? Why would they care though? This should be a prime concern of the streaming platform. They create contracts based on viewer numbers. | ||
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Kalera
United States205 Posts
On December 08 2018 01:46 AntsKiller wrote: Sorry for the silly question, but I can't remember what was happening at March 2018. I am sure someone already explained in an other topic somewhere but couldn't find. Why was the viewership that huge at that month, even bigger than in November? A major reason was the SC 20th anniversary event. Watching streams gave you a random chance to win in game items like portraits and announcers. | ||
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AntsKiller
27 Posts
Links to previous months are spoilered at the bottom. March was big for IEM World Championship, that Starcraft 20th anniversary stream, and lots of Nation Wars qualifiers that kept the concurrent viewer average high it seems. November probably had a lot more dead space between Blizzcon and HSC that brought the average down. A major reason was the SC 20th anniversary event. Watching streams gave you a random chance to win in game items like portraits and announcers. Thank you very much, guys! | ||
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