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DSK
England1106 Posts
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Dave4
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Gemini_19
United States1209 Posts
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Kurao
215 Posts
On December 18 2018 23:10 WeakOwl wrote: I think the lack of support and region lock prevent players who are extremely good but not the absolute best from pursuing sc2 as a career in Korea. My prediction is the foreign scene will most likely never catch up to the Korean level and once the current top players from Korea start to retire the potential top skill level of Korean players will be much lower than it should be, giving off the illusion that foreigners have caught up. "The Koreans are too good, lets cripple them and then pretend like we have closed the gap." This pretty much summarizes it. No teamhouses besides Jin Air since 2016, and like TY once said on the ONPOONG show, SC2 for them is just a bounty hunt for prize-money. While it's great that Blizzard and Afreeca (among others) are investing to the game, it seems like there is no "real drive" for improvement, like there once was. I guess that's the nature of the scene now though, so no point in me beating a dead horse at this point. 100% agree with your statement. | ||
BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic588 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On a serious note, I wonder with Mike Morhaime gone and seeing what happened with Heroes of the storm how long Blizzard will support the SC2 e-sports scene. | ||
JoFar
31 Posts
On December 19 2018 00:18 Charoisaur wrote: I wouldn't say it's a "dumb excuse" to say that the korean scene was stronger in 2013-2015. Is it, though? I mean, the korean scene is smaller now, that's for sure. Especially a lot of the 2nd and 3rd tier players are gone or have it at least a lot harder now to make a living out of starcraft 2. (in other words, they are now at the same level as most of the foreigner players ...) So regarding the width of the spread of pro players in Korea ... that is weaker now, okay. But is that really the only point to meassure the strength of a scene? The top players from Korea ... i don't think they really got weaker in the last years. Maru, Innovation, Zest, Stats, TY, Rogue, Dark ... and your can add some more names in that list for sure ... i don't think it's true saying they are all weaker now then 3 or 4 years ago. Of course every player has his ups and downs ... but overall the level of play in sc2 nowadays is much higher then for example in the HotS Days, and that is not just because the top of the foreigners are closing the gap to korea quite a bit (this especially because of Serral) but also because the top korean players also have gotten stronger. And always the blaming of the region lock ... Code A or TeamLeague wasn't cancelled in Korea because of the region lock, it was cancelled because sc2 in korea just never was that big of a success and didn't have enough viewers. Making the foreign scene stronger was the only way to keep the scene alive, and right now the Increase in Viewership shows Blizzard has made the right call there. | ||
Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
On December 18 2018 20:19 CicadaSC wrote: Found this cool moment of his career from his liquipedia, wanted to share In 2014 Proleague Round 4 SalvatioN (Forte) won against Cure and achieved the only point in the match for Prime. He was overwhelmed by the result and, despite the team losing, he was invited to an interview after the regular MVP one. This is one of my favourite games ever of StarCraft 2. Forte played his heart out vs a Cure that was starting his best period of his career. The game was intense and I didn't know what would happen. MKP played the next game terribly. | ||
Argonauta
Spain4724 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
And i dont see where the gap closed between 2016 and 2018 between top kr and top for except for Serral ( none of the EU/AM Terran are able to match the top KR T ) | ||
ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
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Elentos
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Howard_Kao
China260 Posts
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I thought he was playing Brood War at first but instead it was some amazing Proleague simulator(someway similar to Football manager); he was playing as CJ Entus and enjoying himself | ||
jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
On December 19 2018 19:05 JoFar wrote: Is it, though? I mean, the korean scene is smaller now, that's for sure. Especially a lot of the 2nd and 3rd tier players are gone or have it at least a lot harder now to make a living out of starcraft 2. (in other words, they are now at the same level as most of the foreigner players ...) So regarding the width of the spread of pro players in Korea ... that is weaker now, okay. But is that really the only point to meassure the strength of a scene? The top players from Korea ... i don't think they really got weaker in the last years. Maru, Innovation, Zest, Stats, TY, Rogue, Dark ... and your can add some more names in that list for sure ... i don't think it's true saying they are all weaker now then 3 or 4 years ago. Of course every player has his ups and downs ... but overall the level of play in sc2 nowadays is much higher then for example in the HotS Days, and that is not just because the top of the foreigners are closing the gap to korea quite a bit (this especially because of Serral) but also because the top korean players also have gotten stronger. And always the blaming of the region lock ... Code A or TeamLeague wasn't cancelled in Korea because of the region lock, it was cancelled because sc2 in korea just never was that big of a success and didn't have enough viewers. Making the foreign scene stronger was the only way to keep the scene alive, and right now the Increase in Viewership shows Blizzard has made the right call there. Gotta kinda agree with you on this man. | ||
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