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On January 25 2019 04:49 JyB wrote: Again, just outmicroing with zoom hack. Boring.
You forget everything else though... The learning, the positionning etc...
But i'm more puzzled by the obs without seeing the darkshrine or pre positionning with the hallu
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On January 25 2019 04:49 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 04:45 Zaros wrote:On January 25 2019 04:44 Brutaxilos wrote:On January 25 2019 04:37 Majick wrote: Blizzcon 2019 Ro16:
15 AlphaStar Agents Serral Honestly though, if AlphaStar can beat Mana 5-0 in 2 weeks of training, Serral doesn't stand a chance. It hasnt had 2 weeks it has had 200 years Yea, but 2 weeks of real life time. If we do a showmatch at Blizzcon, thats like another 40 or so weeks? So the equivalent of 4 millennia of training?
I think they said 200 years in total since development over the past 2 years so it might be another 100 years training if it came again at blizzcon.
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This is cool to see but It's a novelty as long as the AI can see and control things over the whole map with inhuman awareness. It's not playing the same game as the human players really.
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Well it is impressive But I think the alphastar has far more advantage in micro than even top pro player from what I see
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On January 25 2019 04:45 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 04:44 Brutaxilos wrote:On January 25 2019 04:37 Majick wrote: Blizzcon 2019 Ro16:
15 AlphaStar Agents Serral Honestly though, if AlphaStar can beat Mana 5-0 in 2 weeks of training, Serral doesn't stand a chance. It hasnt had 2 weeks it has had 200 years
Blizzcon 2019 is not in 4000 years tho.
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On January 25 2019 04:50 BisuDagger wrote: When you talk about years played, SC2 players are really in their infancy. You are never a year away from a patch. This is coupled with the fact that we don't have truly dominant players in SC2 yet. Winning for a year or two is as good as it has gotten. I would have found this more interesting had SC2 had 5 more years between its last patch or if this were trained in Brood War. In Brood War their is at least a definitive player with the most well rounded skill set in Macro, Micro, and Strategy. *Note: I'm not comparing the games at all in terms of content.
now I'm opening myself up to flame here but I do think that BW micro is much less about the sheer APM and more tactical so I don't think it would be as good as it is in SC2.
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Blink stalkers seem to be one of the easiest things to abuse from an AI. I wish they'd chosen any other race than P honestly.
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Personnally I'm kind of surprise/relief that "our" build seems pretty good. I half expected the CPU to show us that actually building 2 proxy gate and pull all your probe is actually unbeatable.
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Wait... they're hyping up its ability to generate new strats and win through multiple means, but didn't they say that each match involved a different agent? How do we know that it could actually learn and react to a human player over the course of a series?
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On January 25 2019 04:51 siakam wrote: Well it is impressive But I think the alphastar has far more advantage in micro than even top pro player from what I see
Of course it has near perfect micro =>
On January 25 2019 04:43 Jacenoob wrote: wow mono blink stalkers with high APM and perfect clicking what high intelligence
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On January 25 2019 04:52 mierin wrote: Blink stalkers seem to be one of the easiest things to abuse from an AI. I wish they'd chosen any other race than P honestly.
Dunno thing like medivack pick up and speed lings have insane micro potential
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Is there a reason they're only having it play PVP?
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On January 25 2019 04:51 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2019 04:50 BisuDagger wrote: When you talk about years played, SC2 players are really in their infancy. You are never a year away from a patch. This is coupled with the fact that we don't have truly dominant players in SC2 yet. Winning for a year or two is as good as it has gotten. I would have found this more interesting had SC2 had 5 more years between its last patch or if this were trained in Brood War. In Brood War their is at least a definitive player with the most well rounded skill set in Macro, Micro, and Strategy. *Note: I'm not comparing the games at all in terms of content. now I'm opening myself up to flame here but I do think that BW micro is much less about the sheer APM and more tactical so I don't think it would be as good as it is in SC2. it would beat flash 101-0 with vulture micro alone
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On January 25 2019 04:55 renaissanceMAN wrote: Is there a reason they're only having it play PVP?
I guess it's only programmed for this as of now
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On January 25 2019 04:53 peanuts wrote: Wait... they're hyping up its ability to generate new strats and win through multiple means, but didn't they say that each match involved a different agent? How do we know that it could actually learn and react to a human player over the course of a series?
It wouldn't, I don't think it gives more importance to the last game than the 10 000 previous one.
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Isn't Serral Serral supposed to play too?
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Did they explain why Protoss vs Zerg/Terran?
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You can clearly see what starcraft is about. If you have significantly better mechanics, you don't need sophisticated strategy, you just make more stuff and go kill em.
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