|
Dear all,
We know that there are quite a few internet pages which indicate statistics for Starcraft II. Still, we wanted to gather the PvT win-ratios by ourselves out of curiosity and within our community. Therefore we analyzed the whole GM as well as the GM contenders list with a reasonable MMR.
After doing that we thought about sharing the conclusion. It's important to us to mention that we don't want to have an imbalance whining or something like that - we're just interested in your opinion.
Ok, let's get into the figures as of 18.02.2019:
EU-Server - 75 out of 196 players in the GM are playing Protoss (38.27%). - Total analyzed PvT's: 3'574 games (2'169 W vs 1'405 L). - Average win-ratio: 62.88%.
NA-Server - 74 out of 200 players in the GM are playing Protoss (37%). - Total analyzed PvT's: 3'717 games (2'273 W vs 1'444 L). - Average win-ratio: 61.64%.
KR-Server - 64 out of 186 players in the GM are playing Protoss (34.41%) - Total analyzed PvT's: 4'170 games (2'464 W vs 1'706 L). - Average win-ratio: 57.40%.
Have a great evening!
Best regards, Team RavenZ
|
Hi,
please provide more information. what are the time periods here? What does a "GM contender" mean? What does "reasonable MMR" mean? why is "percentage of players playing protoss" included in the information?
also, can you provide more information about the statistic gathering process? im genuinely curious. Is it by publicly available replays? If so, are replays actually labeled with MMR and also whether the player is GM or not ?
what would be really really cool is if information like this could be compiled but also include statistics on winrate and MMR differences in comparison to overall matchup winrates
|
United States1552 Posts
On February 19 2019 03:28 RavenZ_2vs2 wrote:
It's important to us to mention that we don't want to have an imbalance whining or something like that - we're just interested in your opinion.
If you don't include some sort of reasonable conclusion or thoughtful insight to pair with these subjective numbers then you're the one doing the balance whining.
|
Winrates alone, especially when the median for these numbers is around 59%, do not tell the imbalance of a matchup. There needs to be other factors (some stated above) included in the analysis, or otherwise it won't service as a start of a discussion.
|
Dear all,
Thank you for your prompt feedbacks.
We probably should have stated that we are no analysts at all Kappa. We play Starcraft II by ourselves (GM as Terran as well as GM as Zerg), work on Swiss banks and therefore we are kinda attracted to figures .
For your reference, we have uploaded the detailed figures (see below): - EU: https://imgur.com/a/aw0YGlM - NA: https://imgur.com/a/itguDdg - KR: https://imgur.com/a/BkKsmDp
As for your questions, @travis: - Time period: This season, so basically 1 month (since last patch). - GM contenders list includes all players who are eligible to get a promotion to the GM. We only took the players with at least the MMR of the lowest ranked GM player. So all the analyzed players are GM level! - Analysis was done with the ingame ladders.
As for your points, @Mizenhauer / @Akio: Our conclusion is the following one: PvT is - at the current patch, the meta and most important on the highest level - statistically pretty Protoss-favoured regarding the win-ratio. Also you can see that the GM Protoss players on EU as well as NA have a way easier time compared to the KR server where the stronges Terran players are based on.
As previously said, we are happy to hear your opinions and if you have any idea to gather some more interesting information please feel free to do it by yourself and share it here with us!
Best regards, Team RavenZ
|
This is all really vague and utterly worthless. For all we know you cherry-picked a bunch of Protoss GM's games against possibly much inferior opposition. In fact it seems like that's exactly what you did? What's the MMR of the terrans these Protosses faced?
|
On February 19 2019 03:42 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2019 03:28 RavenZ_2vs2 wrote:
It's important to us to mention that we don't want to have an imbalance whining or something like that - we're just interested in your opinion.
If you don't include some sort of reasonable conclusion or thoughtful insight to pair with these subjective numbers then you're the one doing the balance whining. There is not a single thing that resembles balance whining in the slightest in this post. Also, why do you think these numbers are subjective? They seem pretty objective to me, and it's exactly because no conclusion or insight is paired with them. Now whether these numbers actually contain any meaningful information is a question, of course. There can be a million reasons why the win rate in a certain match-up in a certain MMR-range is not 50%, so I don't think a lot of conclusions can be found based on these alone, and I assume that is what you are referring to as well. But no, there is no balance whining here at all.
|
FTFY:
Dear all,
We know that there are quite a few internet pages which indicate statistics for Starcraft II. Still, we wanted to gather the TvP win-ratios by ourselves out of curiosity and within our community. Therefore we analyzed the whole GM as well as the GM contenders list, selecting only reasonable games.
After doing that we thought about sharing the conclusion. It's important to us to mention that we don't want to have an imbalance whining or something like that - we're just interested in your opinion.
Ok, let's get into the figures as of 18.02.2019:
EU-Server - Total analyzed PvT's: 1'405 games (0 W vs 1'405 L). - Average win-ratio: 0%.
NA-Server - Total analyzed PvT's: 1'444 games (0W vs 1'444 L). - Average win-ratio: 0%.
KR-Server - Total analyzed PvT's: 1'706 games (0 W vs 1'706 L). - Average win-ratio: 0%.
Have a great evening!
Best regards, Disgruntled Statistician
In all seriousness, you should present concrete criteria for "reasonable MMR" and game selection criteria. Are these all on the latest patch as well? Have you accounted for possible meta shifts? I can already object that "current percentage of GM" is a snapshot, while winrates are aggregated over time, so the two are hardly comparable.
|
On February 19 2019 04:16 RavenZ_2vs2 wrote:Dear all, Thank you for your prompt feedbacks. We probably should have stated that we are no analysts at all Kappa. We play Starcraft II by ourselves (GM as Terran as well as GM as Zerg), work on Swiss banks and therefore we are kinda attracted to figures . For your reference, we have uploaded the detailed figures (see below): - EU: https://imgur.com/a/aw0YGlM- NA: https://imgur.com/a/itguDdg- KR: https://imgur.com/a/BkKsmDpAs for your questions, @travis: - Time period: This season, so basically 1 month (since last patch). - GM contenders list includes all players who are eligible to get a promotion to the GM. We only took the players with at least the MMR of the lowest ranked GM player. So all the analyzed players are GM level! - Analysis was done with the ingame ladders. As for your points, @Mizenhauer / @Akio: Our conclusion is the following one: PvT is - at the current patch, the meta and most important on the highest level - statistically pretty Protoss-favoured regarding the win-ratio. Also you can see that the GM Protoss players on EU as well as NA have a way easier time compared to the KR server where the stronges Terran players are based on. As previously said, we are happy to hear your opinions and if you have any idea to gather some more interesting information please feel free to do it by yourself and share it here with us! Best regards, Team RavenZ
Wait a sec, those tables look like you only looked at Protoss players games. Did you take a look at TvP as well?
|
I don't have an opinion on whether the matchup is balanced or not, but my main point (although sort of parroting that of Mizen's) was that pure ladder numbers alone won't make for an argument/conclusion for whether it's balanced or not.
I agree that when the winrates start consistently being above 60%, it needs to be considered but it won't tell the whole story.
|
TLADT24917 Posts
Sorry, this ain't allowed on here considering it seems obvious as to why you wrote this up.
|
|
|
|