Serral, Scarlett, Maru, INnoVation headed to WESG final four
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
Anyway now I just hope they'll meet each other this year. Hopefully tonight! I'm feeling doubtful about that though. | ||
MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 15 2019 20:06 Xain0n wrote: This comment is so spot in revealing the average "korean elitist" view on WCS I'd almost call it a meme(thanks, Mariano): WCS is just a foreigner Olimoleague, every top korean would win it multiple times, HSC is pointless(I'm surprised you even gave some relevance to GSL vs the World, that's notoriously another holiday tournament). This borderline offensive point of view could have been about right during the utter korean domination in HoTS, that's not the case anymore(not even involving Serral, do Neeb's KeSpa cup and top 4 at Code S tell you anything?). Comparing WCS to korean tournaments IS precisely where we will never agree and that's why you think Maru's achievements are vastly superior. No answers will be found in the finals Maru and Serral will play at WESG(either first or third place ones) other than their current shape: they are not at their apex and they are not as dominating as they were in 2018; it would be one exciting match but not as meaningful as it would have been if it happened last BlizzCon. Call it what you will, its not a subjective view, its reality, undeniable truth. And no mater how hard you will try to deny it and justify your wrong point of view, it wont change anything. GSL has all the top Korean competition. WCS has Serral, only player on that level, and then occasional glimpses of quality from other 2-3 players. And I emphasize occasional (Scarlett, Neeb, Special). Anyone who thinks that a universe exists in which winning a WCS and a GSL as an equal achievment is massively deluded and cant be taken seriously. Its even worse that you Serral fanboys, even if someone admits that Serral looked better/stronger than anyone else (and was the most successful foreigner in history), but then points out the fact that in term of achievment its uncomparable, you guys cant even admit that. Its laughable really. | ||
NinjaNight
428 Posts
On March 16 2019 01:44 MarianoSC2 wrote: Call it what you will, its not a subjective view, its reality, undeniable truth. And no mater how hard you will try to deny it and justify your wrong point of view, it wont change anything. GSL has all the top Korean competition. WCS has Serral, only player on that level, and then occasional glimpses of quality from other 2-3 players. And I emphasize occasional (Scarlett, Neeb, Special). Anyone who thinks that a universe exists in which winning a WCS and a GSL as an equal achievment is massively deluded and cant be taken seriously. Its even worse that you Serral fanboys, even if someone admits that Serral looked better/stronger than anyone else (and was the most successful foreigner in history), but then points out the fact that in term of achievment its uncomparable, you guys cant even admit that. Its laughable really. Yea I don't see how this can even be argued against... | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 01:44 MarianoSC2 wrote: Call it what you will, its not a subjective view, its reality, undeniable truth. And no mater how hard you will try to deny it and justify your wrong point of view, it wont change anything. GSL has all the top Korean competition. WCS has Serral, only player on that level, and then occasional glimpses of quality from other 2-3 players. And I emphasize occasional (Scarlett, Neeb, Special). Anyone who thinks that a universe exists in which winning a WCS and a GSL as an equal achievment is massively deluded and cant be taken seriously. Its even worse that you Serral fanboys, even if someone admits that Serral looked better/stronger than anyone else (and was the most successful foreigner in history), but then points out the fact that in term of achievment its uncomparable, you guys cant even admit that. Its laughable really. I never said WCS is as hard as Code S; still, it's incredibly silly to think it is incomparably worse. Foreigner's skill level has become much closer to that of the koreans in LoTV as confirmed by Neeb's ro4, Scarlett's ro8, Reynor's ro16 runs(in 2018 only). Now, you are the one who's deluded, evidently, since you call "undeniable truth" that Maru's achievements cannot be compared to Serral's(I'd agree if you were saying they are hard to compare since they play in different circuits but you mean that Maru's are incredibly ahead of Serral's); it's such a pity that the majority of the people on this forum and Team Liquid writers both seem to think that's not the case(guess who won Player of the Year?). You make "concessions" on Serral's skill while every competent Sc2 follower could see the level he attained last year; being able to compare Maru and Serral's achievements is not something you'd have to concede as well and that we dare to do this in spite of one glaring truth. Divergent opinions are welcome, your attitude is indeed laughable; may I use your statements for my signature? | ||
fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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DomeGetta
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 15 2019 19:30 Poopi wrote: The maths are really simple: Serral w - Maru w : 1/4 good (1/4 because 1/2 * 1/2, good because Maru and Serral meet) Serral w - Maru l : 1/4 bad Serral l - Maru w : 1/4 bad Serral l - Maru l : 1/4 good 1/4+1/4 = 1/2 Basically your error comes from the fact that there are 4 possibilities not 8 This. The sets of possible matches for third place and first place are complementary; if Serral wins then Scarlett must lose and vice versa. Thus your list of eight "possibilities" is actually only four real possibilities. Serral vs Maru (means Scarlett vs Inno) Serral vs Inno (means Scarlett vs Maru) Scarlett vs Maru (means Serral vs Inno) Scarlett vs Inno (means Serral vs Maru) You are double-counting the possible matches, so you got half the actual probability as your result. | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 03:10 fishjie wrote: before region lock - koreans dominated. period. no debate. did you start watching sc2 just recently? I have nothing to object, that's a fact. | ||
StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
However, and, yes, I stopped before I said this... I can make a pretty decent case that INnoVation is in better shape than Maru is at the moment and he is more than capable of ruining everyone’s dream matchup for (how many times now?). On the other side, I think, if I’m not mistaken, that Scarlett was the last non Korean to take down Serral in an offline match. (IEM PyeongChang). She certainly had her chance at Valencia as well so Serral advancing is not a gimme. I’m hoping we finally get what we want, but I’m just as eager to avoid a Maru vs Scarlett match because I fear that would look ridiculously one sided - Scarlett herself has mentioned she is quite fearful of him, which, to be fair, is an intelligent response. (Would’ve liked to see more from Neeb against him but I think after that Game 2 loss I think he mentally folded - and yes I plead 🇺🇸 😏). In a side note, maybe we should just automatically make Year Zero map 7 based on recent performances on it? It seems to have the best games but is the quickest to exhaust the players. 🤔 | ||
chavo
United States14 Posts
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
On March 16 2019 05:37 StarcraftSquall wrote: I am as interested as the rest of you in seeing Maru vs Serral albeit it’s a few months later than the situation I wanted it to be in. However, and, yes, I stopped before I said this... I can make a pretty decent case that INnoVation is in better shape than Maru is at the moment and he is more than capable of ruining everyone’s dream matchup for (how many times now?). On the other side, I think, if I’m not mistaken, that Scarlett was the last non Korean to take down Serral in an offline match. (IEM PyeongChang). She certainly had her chance at Valencia as well so Serral advancing is not a gimme. I’m hoping we finally get what we want, but I’m just as eager to avoid a Maru vs Scarlett match because I fear that would look ridiculously one sided - Scarlett herself has mentioned she is quite fearful of him, which, to be fair, is an intelligent response. (Would’ve liked to see more from Neeb against him but I think after that Game 2 loss I think he mentally folded - and yes I plead 🇺🇸 😏). In a side note, maybe we should just automatically make Year Zero map 7 based on recent performances on it? It seems to have the best games but is the quickest to exhaust the players. 🤔 I dont want to nitpick, but Im pretty sure neeb was the last non korean to defeat serral in an offline match, as he did so in the group stages of thie very tournament. | ||
Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2677 Posts
INNO YOU CAN TAKE 4TH. | ||
StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
Considering how big this tournament is you’d think they’d do a better job producing the thing. I mean, the casters are remote casting from Kiev. Since when is that a thing? | ||
StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
https://twitter.com/rotterdam08/status/1106622789442768897?s=21 | ||
StasisField
United States1061 Posts
On March 16 2019 12:08 StarcraftSquall wrote: Ah yup you’re right. I’m just so used to Serral still being on his streak that I completely forgot about that (partially because no one got to SEE the match live - thanks WESG production). Considering how big this tournament is you’d think they’d do a better job producing the thing. I mean, the casters are remote casting from Kiev. Since when is that a thing? Yeah, that is really weird. Maybe it was easier to have them cast from Kiev than trying to get them VISAs in time? Based on how WESG has been going thus far, I wouldn't be surprised if the talent was hired too close to the tournament's start date to reliably get VISAs in time. | ||
col_jung
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
I think a huge Serral vs Innovation finals, with all the nucs and endgame the displayed in their series at IEM would probably bee the most epic possibility... Though, if I could create the storyline, I'd like to see Scarlett just crush everyone and really take a big championship like she deserves. Showing the wide range of strategies like nydus and large macro games and early 1 base attacks. She's got this sort of ethereal greatness to her play, that I would just love to see fully actualized. I think she could do it if conditions are right. | ||
-visnu-
Australia149 Posts
Serral pwns heavy though, would love to see him try BW | ||
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