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+ Show Spoiler +On October 04 2017 16:58 Plopus wrote: I don't know if I am the only one having trouble with D.Va.I am playing Pharrah a lot currently. I know she isn't played a lot. I think on of the biggest problem is its ult. If D.Va is here, she can just block Pharrah's ult without using her one ult. I'm totally okay with Lucio having to use his ult to counter the one of Pharrah. But being able to block an ult with a simple secondary skill is quite unfair.
It's incumbent on the Pharrah player to either make sure D.Va is out of Mech, very far away, or dead before letting Justice Reign from Above.
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Lucios ult doesnt counter Pharas though. And Defense Matrix doesnt counter it either anymore. Just stops a bit of the damage down. D.Va can look at you now and kill you though while you are ulting. And some ults are blocked by shields too or can be frozen, or deflected. The game would be really one sided if only support ults could stop ults.
As Phara I would complain more that Mei can put an Icewall in your face and make you kill yourself with the ult. :D
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LOL I want to see that happen.
I've been maining Dva since the patch, and I'm pretty good at killing a Pharah while she is ulting, but sometimes it ends up in a trade.
Defense matrix mitigates Visor and Barrage. Micro missile lets you kill the Soldier or Pharah.
Now in the meta, Dvas are more deadly diving, but more vulnerable too.
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This game has the worst elo hell in the history of gaming. Today i got flamed for playing Tracer. Ended with 50-16, most time on payload, picked the enemy mercy at least 10 times. Pushed the cart over two checkpoints by my own. According to 3 of my teammates it was clear that i did absolutely nothing and totally throwed the game and i should go fuck myself, because i picked Tracer vs an anti-Tracer comp (which was McCree on his own lol) If i drop below 2500 i'm gonna deinstall.
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Mexico2165 Posts
I wanted to vent a little.
Between yesterday's night and today I lost almost 500 sr, and it's not my fault.
"It's not my fault" something that even thought I've said before, deep down I knew it was false. Not this time. As an avid competitive player I've been always been very hard on myself. From my days in sc2 I learned that whenever I lost, was my fault and my fault only. Heroes of the storm and overwatch introduced the posibility of blaming team mates, but i always knew that I had, at least to some degree contributed to the loss.
I used to have more than 50% winrate and had been steadily going up in the ranks. Two days ago I could clearly see when losing was my fault. You know, some games my aim wouldnt be good and I couldn't just hit the Phara. Other times I wasn't doing enough work with winston killing the backline. But generally I was playing better than ever. I felt proud. I felt good. I've been in platinum a long time ago. Placed in bronze last season after not playing 2 competitive seasons (mmr reset?), well no problem I'll just rank up. Everything was going fine, got silver without any problem. I was 100 points away from gold when suddenly....
Between yersterdays night and today I've lost almost 500 points. I'm back in bronze. After 112 games this season, Im back in fucking Bronze, ruining weeks of work.
And i'ts not my fault.
Sure, don't get me wrong, there are a thousand things I could do better, but that's true even If I would be on a 10 game winning streak. I currently have a 45% winrate. I wish I had known my winrate before this started but imagine how good it must have been if of the last 15 games I've won 2 games and lost almost 500 sr in less than two days. You'd think I'd have way lower winrate.
Analyzing my games I've seen that for the most part I've been doing my job. Playing soldier consistently getting gold meldals, sometimes silver. Playing Mercy keeping my team alive at important moments. Playing winston picking off squishies. Switching when my team needs a different hero, grouping up to push as six.. I've been doing my part of the job. And I'm still losing.
I've always thought that over a large ammount of games if you keep losing it's your fault, These games I've lost sometimes it's a stomp. Sometime it's a close game that we barely lose. Sometimes it's a game my team is winning, then a player leaves. One time a Dva suspicously got her ult literally 3 times in 30 seconds. Am I responsible for those loses?
I try to analyze my gameplay and honestly...I don't see any difference from when I was climbing to this point. In fact I've felt I've improved a lot with my aiming, yet I still lose. In most of the around 30 games I lost these two days I've felt that I didnt contribute to the loss. I did my part of the job.
One thing I know is that if you have 50% chance of winning any given match, there's a chance you will lose 100% of your matches over a period of time. I think this is it. It feels like I've been throwing a coin in the air and always getting the same face.
Does MM takes account bad luck? How long will it take me to rank up? will it take 24 hours like it did to lose this much? Or will tomorrow night i'll lose another 250. I was doing my part. I tried and played my best, still lost everytime. Some games I was oh so close to victory I would think the curse was broken, but alas, it is not to be.
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Nope doesnt take bad luck into account. Though bad luck works heavily together with que times. Did the mistake of playing in the morning today.
GL on your climb back ! ranting + break often helps me clearing the head.
Filling in for the team is a nightmare though, you have to be ~6 times better then all the one tricks around your level.
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It get's better when you get into gold and up. Climbing out of bronze and silver is a nightmare because it's full of one-trick dps, crappy noobs, and throwers that can't hack it in platinum.
Once you get into gold, you'll start finding many players willing to work together and be flexible.
You have to watch how much sr you lose and gain. Last week I had a horrible week, maybe winning only 45% of my games, but I was only losing 10-15 per loss and was gaining 20-30 each win.
And don't continue playing if you're on tilt. It makes each loss more painful. If I go on a losing streak of 3+ I hit the practice range and mess around with different heroes.
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On November 08 2017 03:15 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: It get's better when you get into gold and up. Climbing out of bronze and silver is a nightmare because it's full of one-trick dps, crappy noobs, and throwers that can't hack it in platinum.
Once you get into gold, you'll start finding many players willing to work together and be flexible.
You have to watch how much sr you lose and gain. Last week I had a horrible week, maybe winning only 45% of my games, but I was only losing 10-15 per loss and was gaining 20-30 each win.
And don't continue playing if you're on tilt. It makes each loss more painful. If I go on a losing streak of 3+ I hit the practice range and mess around with different heroes. I certainly disagree on this. I'm actually pretty sure there is some hidden algorithm that puts you together with trolls or derankers once you've won some matches in a row. I'm at 2950+ for my third season in a row now, but i never hit Diamond. I'm the best player on my team at least 90% of the time and i'm not kidding about that number. But everytime i have an uprank match i get two lvl 15 Hanzo mains with 0.78 kills per life, a couple of russians who run to the enemy spawn and start to dance, a guy who picks Reinhardt to counter Pharah etc etc etc. (i really could write a book about these stupidities by now) Unless you are GM playing in silver you just can't carry in this game. And the game seems to somehow put you in a team with idiots so regularly that it's actually pretty suspicious.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2017 08:37 iXphobos wrote:On November 08 2017 03:15 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: It get's better when you get into gold and up. Climbing out of bronze and silver is a nightmare because it's full of one-trick dps, crappy noobs, and throwers that can't hack it in platinum.
Once you get into gold, you'll start finding many players willing to work together and be flexible.
You have to watch how much sr you lose and gain. Last week I had a horrible week, maybe winning only 45% of my games, but I was only losing 10-15 per loss and was gaining 20-30 each win.
And don't continue playing if you're on tilt. It makes each loss more painful. If I go on a losing streak of 3+ I hit the practice range and mess around with different heroes. I certainly disagree on this. I'm actually pretty sure there is some hidden algorithm that puts you together with trolls or derankers once you've won some matches in a row. I'm at 2950+ for my third season in a row now, but i never hit Diamond. I'm the best player on my team at least 90% of the time and i'm not kidding about that number. But everytime i have an uprank match i get two lvl 15 Hanzo mains with 0.78 kills per life, a couple of russians who run to the enemy spawn and start to dance, a guy who picks Reinhardt to counter Pharah etc etc etc. (i really could write a book about these stupidities by now) Unless you are GM playing in silver you just can't carry in this game. And the game seems to somehow put you in a team with idiots so regularly that it's actually pretty suspicious.
I feel the same way. The borderline of Platinum into Diamond is certainly a majestic place. I play anywhere from 2650-3000 mmr. Everytime I get into the 2900s it's like Blizzard gets a notification and starts grouping me with every troll online in my bracket. I think the issue with high Platinum is - it's full of people who have already hit Diamond and therefore no longer care too much once they de-rank into Plat. I really don't understand why people queue into Competitive and then act like it's Quick Play. Quick Play exists for that exact reason... This is super annoying for us actually cooperating & trying to hit Diamond...
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More likely that the border between ranks is where the asshole attitude tends to be created.
There's all the deranked players who think "I'm actually X rank and carrying you trash."
There's the "I should be in X rank but its everyone else is holding me back."
There's the "I hit my highest rank for the season already and don't GAF anymore."
Players who aren't close to a new rank are more likely not to care, and just play the game.
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The need to have a Mercy doesn't help currently.
A fame system would be nice for matchmaking, but those are usually unused unless people are angry.
So you tend to have 1 or 2 annoying teammate all the time. When your below your skill level, you don't notice them since you are winning anyway. But when you get in a region above your skill level and start losing it becomes noticeable that something is wrong.
The other side has those too, so try to grab the momentum and put them into the negative "oh we have trolls we lose" mindset. And its not easy under those conditions. But you have to resist falling into that mindset yourself.
And no trolls won't go away. You will probably find even worse in masters, because Overwatch rewards playing unpopular heroes with free sr.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2017 06:14 FeyFey wrote: The need to have a Mercy doesn't help currently.
A fame system would be nice for matchmaking, but those are usually unused unless people are angry.
So you tend to have 1 or 2 annoying teammate all the time. When your below your skill level, you don't notice them since you are winning anyway. But when you get in a region above your skill level and start losing it becomes noticeable that something is wrong.
The other side has those too, so try to grab the momentum and put them into the negative "oh we have trolls we lose" mindset. And its not easy under those conditions. But you have to resist falling into that mindset yourself.
And no trolls won't go away. You will probably find even worse in masters, because Overwatch rewards playing unpopular heroes with free sr.
I don't enjoy that Mercy is essentially required either. I am confident in playing Lucio or Zenyatta, so I don't mind playing healer. I'm just not that great at Mercy (positioning, etc) and don't want to handicap my team... it just stinks that sometimes an entire team will refuse.
I agree with your other points about trolls and that negative mindset that can occur. What do you mean by "fame system"?
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Does anyone know a good place to buy ranked OW accounts? There's just no other way to rank into diamond in this game. -.-
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Fame system was something MMO people before wow dreamed of. If you are helpful people will mark you as helpful. If you are a scammer, well your fame will warn people when they deal with you. So basically a way for likeminded people to find each others. Or in Overwatch case, to be matched together. But that will never work unless the game does it by itself. Which they probably soon do with all the intel gathering they do anyway.
Overwatch did have that in beta. One could basically like or dislike other players. Which would affect the chance of meeting them ingame. But when the game launched it was not really pointed out, so only a few people downvoted everyone on losses. Afterwards they started wondering why they have 10 minutes que times ....... And I guess they also had no idea how to make that work fair in ranked :D .
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Why is it that in Deathmatch, you can have better stats than someone, but you are still ranked lower than them just because they were there first? You have the same amount of kills, but you have more assists and fewer deaths, yet they are still ranked higher. They should change this.
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Playing 6-7 hours a day for the past week and still stuck at 2k-2.1k being at 1900 after a tilt now...
yeee fun right?
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That's one of the thing i hate about OW. You can spend a month slowly improving your rank (for me it was from 2465 to 2800), and then, one day, matchmaking screws you. One leaver, one cancer team after another, one very close match that you end up losing etc. You end up losing 250 points that day. Back to the start. 1 month ruined. Hell no, never again.
It's one of the only game i've played that doesn't clearly show your improvements or rewars your efforts. I've played Hots back in the early days and went from rank 21 to rank 2. I've been a bronze SC2 players and managed to get to platinum.
I'm stuck with overwatch. I've tried lots of things. Only play 2-3 games a day, stop after 2 consecutives loss, play for 8 hours straight etc. Nothing really worked. I tried to change my mindset and NOT care about rank and just have fun, not really worked either. The only thing i didn't try yet is to OTP but i rage against thoses so yeah, no.
Anyway, i still have fun playing, but sometimes that fun is ruined by a bad streak that you can't seem to be able to control.
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The devs should really make assists in Deathmatch mean something. The most frustrating thing about Deathmatch is kill stealing, so if assists were worth something, it would be less annoying to play. Perhaps 4 assists = 1 kill. Or, you can even use the "on-fire" system to get points (with kills being worth more) so you can gain at least some points for assists.
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On January 25 2018 22:11 29 fps wrote: The devs should really make assists in Deathmatch mean something. The most frustrating thing about Deathmatch is kill stealing, so if assists were worth something, it would be less annoying to play. Perhaps 4 assists = 1 kill. Or, you can even use the "on-fire" system to get points (with kills being worth more) so you can gain at least some points for assists. In DM it's pretty hard for some heroes to score consistent kills because of kill stealing. Rewarding partial kills could be a viable option. The main problem imho is that this could lead to worse gameplay, because ppl might pick more trash dmg heroes. It all comes down to balancing. On the other hand, it's impossible to get a level playing field in DM due to the huge differences between the heroes. You just can't be consistent like McCree with Mei or Mercy, even though in some situations odd heroes work well. I've managed to win a match with Mercy once. Guess what I did! Yup, kill stealing.
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Started the season with 2450 SR. Managed to get up to 3050 last week, progressively improving (at least i thought i was) my communication skills, my moves, my counter pick etc etc.
In 3 days, i got down to 2650. Lose after lose in a row. Sens of progression completly anihilated. WHY.
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