I saw BWAPI AIs, like McRave beat 2 easily. Is this possible in a straight forward fight ?
I'm curious to know any thing about that.
Edit: I want to only counter them with Dragoon or Zealot like this Replay.
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Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
I saw BWAPI AIs, like McRave beat 2 easily. Is this possible in a straight forward fight ? I'm curious to know any thing about that. Edit: I want to only counter them with Dragoon or Zealot like this Replay. | ||
kogeT
Poland2000 Posts
I think it's no problem to beat 7 terran AIs.. specifically for PvT I would go like this: - nexus 1st - mass canons (i guess 7-8 would be more than enough) - anything as you crush any follow up with either tech or just mass units | ||
Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6631 Posts
https://ufile.io/utdkv | ||
shaggles
Poland108 Posts
1) pylon-> gate-> cybercore-> gas-> pylon -> gate ->citadel -> pylon-> archives (->Nexus, storm, or anything) (I assume, you are doing probes and zealots if you have mins after executing "build") 2) get shitload of Dark Templars (ok, not a shitload, but me playing with very shitty laptop and bad mouse at 100 APM= 6Z 6DT before Terrans came, you can easily improve that) 3) group one Z and one DT together and go towards T locations before 6:30. Terran will see your Zealot and you have "forces under attack" msg. Hit space as you hear it, and use DT to hit and run immediately. Use this technique to waste all Terran scans. If messed up, send another pair. 4) With Terran approaching with no scans you need a single DT to hold position. Get some more for more appropriate slaugther 5) Proceed with bases and gates. Disclaimer: this is not a recipe on "How to win PvTT(CPU)". This is meant to keep you in game, what will you do next is up to you (I recommend gates and upgrades, particularly Goon range (there will be wraiths), and observatory (there will be ghosts and nukes XD) Happy compstomping! + Show Spoiler + On maps with ramps, and moderately open natural (FS to name one) throw all your units to kill terran nat. When ready, do not go further, just seal him with cannons outside tank range. This is a reminder about getting forge. And upgrades. Then macro as usual against second terran. + Show Spoiler + I hope you'll soon find it boring XD | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
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Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 05:30 kogeT wrote: ? I think it's no problem to beat 7 terran AIs.. specifically for PvT I would go like this: - nexus 1st - mass canons (i guess 7-8 would be more than enough) - anything as you crush any follow up with either tech or just mass units Thank you, I'm meant by "straight forward fight" man 2 man. Defending by Cannons or Cannon rush considered Cheese, there is many videos like that on Youtube of 1 human beats 7 cpu on BGH by Cannon/Carriers (that's easy), but any professional control or strategies for just Dragoon or Zealot?. or you just have to have excellent Micro/Macro and be very patient till the 1st MM wave pass. example replay: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bhzbdzWNw000pSzKgZFo1FeoS_m0LtYs | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 06:15 Alpha-NP- wrote: Counter to bio is Psi Storms and Reaver. Certainly correct, but I saw this replay and thought I can do it with just Dragoon or/and Zealot. | ||
kogeT
Poland2000 Posts
On March 10 2018 07:07 Moataz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2018 05:30 kogeT wrote: ? I think it's no problem to beat 7 terran AIs.. specifically for PvT I would go like this: - nexus 1st - mass canons (i guess 7-8 would be more than enough) - anything as you crush any follow up with either tech or just mass units Thank you, I'm meant by "straight forward fight" man 2 man. Defending by Cannons or Cannon rush considered Cheese, there is many videos like that on Youtube of 1 human beats 7 cpu on BGH by Cannon/Carriers (that's easy), but any professional control or strategies for just Dragoon or Zealot?. or you just have to have excellent Micro/Macro and be very patient till the 1st MM wave pass. example replay: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bhzbdzWNw000pSzKgZFo1FeoS_m0LtYs I don't understand, why canons are cheesy? Taking their workers away with a probe is cheeasy. Why only zealot / dragon, what does it prove. Still, I see no problem winning 3 terrans with pure dragon. | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 06:22 ne4aJIb wrote: in the beginning attack them with probe, they will take their probes to defend, you will get significant economic advantage, works every time! Thank you, this so famous trick/cheese, but I would like to beat the 1st double MM wave. On March 10 2018 06:35 jello_biafra wrote: If beating comps PvT is all your after I have a build for you, just played this game, FS 3 T comps vs me P, defeated them all in ~12 minutes (disclaimer, it's 1.16.1 replay) https://ufile.io/utdkv Thank you, I beat 3 Terran cpu before (when I was more newbie than I'm now) by Cannon rush on Andromeda, your DT rush is good, but still not facing the 2 waves of MM directly like the Replay. | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 06:54 shaggles wrote: Protoss is my third, but: 1) pylon-> gate-> cybercore-> gas-> pylon -> gate ->citadel -> pylon-> archives (->Nexus, storm, or anything) (I assume, you are doing probes and zealots if you have mins after executing "build") 2) get shitload of Dark Templars (ok, not a shitload, but me playing with very shitty laptop and bad mouse at 100 APM= 6Z 6DT before Terrans came, you can easily improve that) 3) group one Z and one DT together and go towards T locations before 6:30. Terran will see your Zealot and you have "forces under attack" msg. Hit space as you hear it, and use DT to hit and run immediately. Use this technique to waste all Terran scans. If messed up, send another pair. 4) With Terran approaching with no scans you need a single DT to hold position. Get some more for more appropriate slaugther 5) Proceed with bases and gates. Disclaimer: this is not a recipe on "How to win PvTT(CPU)". This is meant to keep you in game, what will you do next is up to you (I recommend gates and upgrades, particularly Goon range (there will be wraiths), and observatory (there will be ghosts and nukes XD) Happy compstomping! + Show Spoiler + On maps with ramps, and moderately open natural (FS to name one) throw all your units to kill terran nat. When ready, do not go further, just seal him with cannons outside tank range. This is a reminder about getting forge. And upgrades. Then macro as usual against second terran. + Show Spoiler + I hope you'll soon find it boring XD Thanks, DT rush is good for that of course, but I was wondering if possible with perfect Dragoon Micro like in the Replay. | ||
kogeT
Poland2000 Posts
https://ufile.io/2p5uv At first I thought I maybe need pylons at natural but turns out you don't. | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 07:19 kogeT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2018 07:07 Moataz wrote: On March 10 2018 05:30 kogeT wrote: ? I think it's no problem to beat 7 terran AIs.. specifically for PvT I would go like this: - nexus 1st - mass canons (i guess 7-8 would be more than enough) - anything as you crush any follow up with either tech or just mass units Thank you, I'm meant by "straight forward fight" man 2 man. Defending by Cannons or Cannon rush considered Cheese, there is many videos like that on Youtube of 1 human beats 7 cpu on BGH by Cannon/Carriers (that's easy), but any professional control or strategies for just Dragoon or Zealot?. or you just have to have excellent Micro/Macro and be very patient till the 1st MM wave pass. example replay: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bhzbdzWNw000pSzKgZFo1FeoS_m0LtYs I don't understand, why canons are cheesy? Taking their workers away with a probe is cheeasy. Why only zealot / dragon, what does it prove. Still, I see no problem winning 3 terrans with pure dragon. Mass Cannons doesn't has a challenge or make you improve, but a situation like in the Replay, I think will. I would really want to see anyone beat 3 default AI with just Dragoons, no BWAPI AI can beat 3 default AI, as far as I know. | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 07:39 kogeT wrote: Ok, i did it for you, P vs 3t, only probe & dragon allowed! 14:00, apm-noob friendly! (118 average apm - i tried to do 0 micro, only vs bunkers on the ramp really) Here is the replay: https://ufile.io/2p5uv At first I thought I maybe need pylons at natural but turns out you don't. Thank you, curious to see it, but the replay is corrupted or something I don't know. | ||
kogeT
Poland2000 Posts
I made 12 nexus, 4 gateways and kinda a moved through everything. | ||
Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6631 Posts
https://ufile.io/zf0fc there you go, 12 nex into a lot of goons can do the job | ||
ArmadA[NaS]
United States346 Posts
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Moataz
Egypt267 Posts
On March 10 2018 09:14 jello_biafra wrote: Moataz I'll watch his replay and replicate it in 1.16.1 for you when I have time, probably in a couple hours https://ufile.io/zf0fc there you go, 12 nex into a lot of goons can do the job Thank you so much for this, awesome. | ||
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