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On July 04 2018 00:47 ZenithM wrote: Eh, Javale got a minimum deal to LA. He averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds on 10-12 minutes a game. I'm not sure you would call that "helped his image". He's mostly the same player he always was. It's just that Shaq let him off the hook recently. He had a good FG% on really small volume surrounded by insane scoring (homegrown or not). He got a couple of nice defensive possessions too, cool. Like I said, playing on a good team makes your limited role very easy.
The idea that GS is coasting on pure talent might be overexaggerating, but so is saying that their role players outperform expectations, or that their image improves magically.
McGee isn't a good comparison for Demarcus, Demarcus will have to do MUCH more if he wants a max salary next year.
It's not about pure numbers. Javale went from clown to positive contributor on a championship team. Not everybody in the league is high minute starter material. Good bench player is a better image than useless clown.
And reputable sources I've read are indicating that Demarcus wasn't getting anything other than midlevel ($8m/1 yr or $16m/2 yr). The market for him really dried up so he was the one who told his agent to contact the Warriors on Monday.
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On July 04 2018 02:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ironically, we're at the point where many vocal fans would rather see players just get every dime they can in a contract for maximum cash for the sake of parity rather than get paid a bit less to be in a better overall team situation.
Maybe that's because we've transitioned from a parochial, "home team" mindset to a national, league-wide mindset where the the joy of bandwaggoning doesn't make up for utterly forgettable regular seasons with 4 worthwhile games.
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On July 04 2018 04:55 KOFgokuon wrote: if I were the celts I'd sit on my players (other than the incoming draft picks) and tell him to go away
While the celts are certainly in win-mode territory, they certainly don't need more guard/forwards to go into their rotation. I'd rather grow organically with brown and tatum than trade them plus assets to get butler, plus they'd have to take on salary and trade either gordon or horford. seems bad man
I agree with you on Brown and Tatum or horford, but they won't be able to keep all their guys and butler is a top 5 or at worst top 10 talent. He is game changing on both sides. If Ainge looks at his cap picture and realizes he won't be able sign smart and or rozier I think it would be worth starting with them and seeing what else was needed. A guy like smart would probably fit in as they desperately need low usage, super active D guy . And then possibly Hayword depending on how much of and upgrade you think Butler is.
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Dwight howard to the wizards and tyreke evans to the pacers
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On July 04 2018 05:36 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2018 00:47 ZenithM wrote: Eh, Javale got a minimum deal to LA. He averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds on 10-12 minutes a game. I'm not sure you would call that "helped his image". He's mostly the same player he always was. It's just that Shaq let him off the hook recently. He had a good FG% on really small volume surrounded by insane scoring (homegrown or not). He got a couple of nice defensive possessions too, cool. Like I said, playing on a good team makes your limited role very easy.
The idea that GS is coasting on pure talent might be overexaggerating, but so is saying that their role players outperform expectations, or that their image improves magically.
McGee isn't a good comparison for Demarcus, Demarcus will have to do MUCH more if he wants a max salary next year. It's not about pure numbers. Javale went from clown to positive contributor on a championship team. Not everybody in the league is high minute starter material. Good bench player is a better image than useless clown. And reputable sources I've read are indicating that Demarcus wasn't getting anything other than midlevel ($8m/1 yr or $16m/2 yr). The market for him really dried up so he was the one who told his agent to contact the Warriors on Monday. It's not about pure numbers, but it's not about number of Shaqtin' appearances either. His clown image was exacerbated by that show, the same way his "good bench player" one is reinforced by playing with so little pressure. He hasn't changed that much, and GMs should be able to see that. And "outperforming expectations" is different from looking good in a ridiculously limited role on the best team.
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I mean, its a really really bad year to be a free agent. Most of the teams with good culture are capped out. In addition, most of them already have a big man like Embiid, Horford, Towns, Capela (although he might leave), Aldridge. I guess he also could have looked at Washington and Indiana, but I don't think they have all that much cap room either.
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Isn't it kind of a "Do you still beat your wife?" question?
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While I understand why they won't, I wish these players wouldn't use their entourage to state their beef and would just flat out say, fuck that guy, I want out
This entire kawhi situation would be so much more clear if he just said, the spurs misdiagnosed me, they trashed me in the media, i'm out on this team, trade me or i'm walking for nothing.
Then I wouldn't have to listen to steven a smith rambling on and speculating about nothing
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Let's assume that Kawhi came about and personally told everybody how he really felt. Do you mean Stephen A Smith wouldn't be rambling on and speculating about nothing or that he will but you just wouldn't be listening to it? I'm sure he'll still be doing A. That's his job.
That's the risk you take by waiting in a bidding market. Teams had years to plan for free agency. The only reason not to submit the offer at midnight on the first day is if you're trying to lowball a player. If a player waited for more offers, good teams could have signed somebody else and he'll be left with offers from unpalatable destinations.
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He apparently turned down a 2 year 40 mil extension right after the injury. Yikes!
And it would have been fair. Safety in the form of 40 mil and 2 year s to prove he is healthy.
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On July 05 2018 22:09 KOFgokuon wrote: While I understand why they won't, I wish these players wouldn't use their entourage to state their beef and would just flat out say, fuck that guy, I want out
This entire kawhi situation would be so much more clear if he just said, the spurs misdiagnosed me, they trashed me in the media, i'm out on this team, trade me or i'm walking for nothing.
Then I wouldn't have to listen to steven a smith rambling on and speculating about nothing
Because if he actually said that then people would challenge you. Whereas if you just say it in your head, it remains perfectly reasonable without having to think too hard about it.
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Toronto's new head coach says they might experiment with having Derozan guard all stars rather than hiding him against a poor offensive player.
It's nice to see Toronto management publicly acknowledge Derozan is a poor defender.
Derozan and Lowry are supposed to be super buds. Lowry would throw himself in front of school bus to divert an opposing offensive scheme.. Derozan dies on screens by guys he outweights by 30+ lbs. For close buddies... its weird how much effort and intelligence Lowry puts into defending and how little Derozan puts into defending.
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What's going on with Isaiah Thomas right now? A while back I predicted he would be lucky to get a contract, let alone cash in on his last Boston year for a max contract.
Is he just vastly overestimating his worth before he settles for a league minimum? Or was I right?
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Last thing I read his hip is still not 100%, and he is over valuing himself. I mean Boogie gets 4.3, this is not 2016 when bums like Mozgov got paid! If he is smart (and dude has a massive chip on his shoulder so who knows if he will be), he will take a 1 year deal somewhere where he can get playing time and set himself up for 2019 when more teams have cap space. IT needs his speed maybe more then anyone else so if he is not healthy you may be right. And that would be eating some crow because I thought you were crazy.
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A 1-year deal could also backfire if he's unable to return to form and just cements his new status as a chucker that can't play defense. Then his value tanks even further next off-season when he's on the wrong side of 30. I guess it depends on what kind of offers he is getting.
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Yeah not matter what he gets it will be bundles less then before his injury. That cost him huge dollars.
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Only because teams like Sacramento exist. A good GM would never have offered over 5 mil per.
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