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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-19/sport-or-sellout-debate-rages-over-gold-medals-for-video-games
... the Asian Games -- the Olympics equivalent for the world’s most populous continent -- will include ... League of Legends and StarCraft II ...
... The Olympic Charter historically stated that mental or mechanical-driven activities were not permitted as sports, one reason chess and car-racing were never included. But with Olympics attracting fewer viewers, especially among younger audiences, officials may be willing to bend the rules to welcome the $140 billion video game industry...
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the level of butthurt from the non-gaming mainstream about gamers having competitions where they compete and make money without being mocked is insane, lol.
personally, i even AGREE with athletes that esports aren't sports and gamers aren't athletes, but why does that mean they can't both be played at the olympics? i don't understand how having athletes and gamers together creates a problem. sports are sports and esports are esports, let's have both. clearly there's public interest, so what's the issue? some of the athletes are acting like babies, do they think starcraft players are actually going to take medals away from them?
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I'm very much not an expert, but I feel like there are already plenty of sports at the Olympics that already involve a lot of mechanically-mediated skills (any athletes willing to go for gold in archery without a fancy composite bow? Those marksmanship rifles sure look complicated, too). I guess there aren't computer systems involved in the actual act of performing, so that's something.
That being said, I understand the issue about favoring specific for-profit companies by featuring certain games over others. To me, that's a much more salient problem than the cyclist complaining about this being like the Olympics for Accounting. The quote at the end of the article kind of sums it up: + Show Spoiler +"When a game becomes an Olympic sport, should it have an owner? Or should it be in the public domain?" . Kind of echoes a lot of the strife around BW, where you had unlicensed modders putting control over the playing experience in the hands of the end user... but then the company that made it is concerned about lost income, so they tamp down on unlicensed mods, options, ladders, etc. I feel like that's the main dilemma here, more so than the question of whether video games are too "mental or mechanical-driven."
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To me, the problem is exclusively related to the fact that games are owned by someone, contrary to sports.
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Skates and sticks in hockey are a technology all their own. A decent hockey stick is $150 USD and can allow many players to have a 90 MPH slap shot who don't have any where near as much shooting skill as Ovechkin or Kane. Hockey should be like baseball and be wooden only with no manufactured materials. Then you'd only see a small handful of players with a 90 MPH slap shot.
On August 20 2018 21:40 Karpfen wrote: To me, the problem is exclusively related to the fact that games are owned by someone, contrary to sports. i think part of what led to Brood War's success in Korea is that the ruthless live event promoters pretended no one owned Brood War.
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On August 20 2018 21:40 Karpfen wrote: To me, the problem is exclusively related to the fact that games are owned by someone, contrary to sports. yours is a rational approach, but that's not the "problem" most athletes, coaches, fans, etc. are talking about when you read these articles. the problem they have with progaming is that it intrudes on their silly sense of pride for playing sports in that it makes them "physical" and "manly." if gamers are being celebrated for skills that don't require physical fitness it makes athletes feel less important. it's all just a bunch of ego and old-timers being salty about a changing world
the question of ownership is much more interesting and relevant, but the dumb question that brings in ad revenue on media websites is "are the computer nerds REAL ATHLETES?????"
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On August 20 2018 21:54 brickrd wrote: but the dumb question that brings in ad revenue on media websites is "are the computer nerds REAL ATHLETES?????" it depends on the audience. Why should a 45 year old steam fitter in Lethbridge, Alberta be well versed on competitve PC gaming? its a legit question and providing a legit response is the proper action rather than brushing the questioner off as an idiot.
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Game makers stand to benefit. Unlike with basketball or fencing, the intellectual property of a video game is usually owned by a for-profit company.
Yes, this is the actual problem that plagues e-sports for years. If only there was a way to, say, change laws ...
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On August 20 2018 21:40 Karpfen wrote: To me, the problem is exclusively related to the fact that games are owned by someone, contrary to sports.
From a practical standpoint is it really that big of a difference that a company is making a profit from the publicity afforded by the Olympics rather than some sports federation?
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On August 20 2018 23:34 Clazziquai10 wrote: ez win for maru lol Unless Serral plays.
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This is going to fail miserably. Sports fans aren't going to watch this, and esports fans won't be okay with the way something like this is structured and handled. Inb4 the chaos
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On August 20 2018 23:52 BisuDagger wrote:Unless Serral plays.
Finland isn't part of Asia.
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On August 21 2018 00:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2018 23:52 BisuDagger wrote:On August 20 2018 23:34 Clazziquai10 wrote: ez win for maru lol Unless Serral plays. Finland isn't part of Asia. It's not a real country so who are you to determine what continent it's part of?
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Canada8764 Posts
On August 20 2018 22:55 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +Game makers stand to benefit. Unlike with basketball or fencing, the intellectual property of a video game is usually owned by a for-profit company. Yes, this is the actual problem that plagues e-sports for years. If only there was a way to, say, change laws ...
There is? Because outsise of the US government out right buying Blizz and running it as a non profit org I can't see what can be done in the current legal system to fix this problem. I guess there could be an international governing body of esport like Fifa but it dosen't fix the problem of the compagny using esport to sell their games.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On August 21 2018 00:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2018 00:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On August 20 2018 23:52 BisuDagger wrote:On August 20 2018 23:34 Clazziquai10 wrote: ez win for maru lol Unless Serral plays. Finland isn't part of Asia. It's not a real country so who are you to determine what continent it's part of? Well put, but I was thinking he would sneak in under the guise of the MoustacheZerg inspired identity "Seru".
+ Show Spoiler [the hair] +
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As far as I am aware, the fictional country of Finland, is a Japanese territory where they can freely fish without international laws limiting them. So Serral is Asian.
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wow, i think esports couldnt have represented worse then by fornite. at least with this clips.
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