NBA Season 2018-2019 - Page 17
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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When Tatum tries to steer through the extra traffic created by defenders playing off of him ...he is failing more often.. no surprise there. Last year Tatum shot 48% when wide open. This year he is shooting 37%. If that keeps up.. NBA defenses will continue to play off of him. | ||
cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On November 23 2018 07:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Bjelica, Shumpert, and Hield are shooting the lights out from 3 ... forcing the floor to open up and giving Fox lots of room to operate. In particular , Bjelica is over 50% from 3 with ~65 attempts. Part of Fox's early season success is due to lots of open floor. That is also true of Westbrook and LeBron when they are at their best. 4 shitters who can shoot + a ballhandler is the median NBA team now. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On November 23 2018 13:43 cLutZ wrote: That is also true of Westbrook and LeBron when they are at their best. 4 shitters who can shoot + a ballhandler is the median NBA team now. "shitter who can shoot" is not very well defined.. that said i wouldn't say Wade is in the category.. he was not a good 3 point shooter and a good over all player. Irving isn't in that category either. Thompson can't shoot from distance at all. Bosh shot ~30% from 3 when James was in Miami. I don't think James has ever been surrounded by "4 shitters who can shoot". Defenses were collapsing on Fox a lot more last year because they didn't have 3 guys who could hit 3s. One other thing about Sacramento.. they've had a tough sched so far.. so they might be even better than their 10-8 record.. and Fox might put up even better #s than he has so far this year. | ||
andrewlt
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JimmyJRaynor
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If you want to create terms more well defined a clear conversation can occur. If not, there isn't much point. | ||
JimmiC
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Who is more disappointing so far given expectations, Boston or Hou? I'd say Hou because with there age you can't make a growing pains excuse. I think Bos needs to package some of their "very good players" for one" extremely good player". | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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Raptors coach Nurse says Leonard is close to being able to play in back-to-back games. | ||
cLutZ
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On November 24 2018 05:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Thing is you can't "split hairs" when an ill defined term like "shitter who can shoot" is used. Its a lot more than 1 player. In Miami, LBJ played with Wade and Bosh a lot. That is 2 guys without a 3 in their arsenal. If you want to create terms more well defined a clear conversation can occur. If not, there isn't much point. In Miami that team massively underperformed, in large part because Wade & LBJ never fit together we'll because neither had a reliable catch and shoot 3 and Bosh had to greatly diminish his game offensively to fit into the team. | ||
darthfoley
United States7999 Posts
On November 24 2018 00:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote: "shitter who can shoot" is not very well defined.. that said i wouldn't say Wade is in the category.. he was not a good 3 point shooter and a good over all player. Irving isn't in that category either. Thompson can't shoot from distance at all. Bosh shot ~30% from 3 when James was in Miami. I don't think James has ever been surrounded by "4 shitters who can shoot". Defenses were collapsing on Fox a lot more last year because they didn't have 3 guys who could hit 3s. One other thing about Sacramento.. they've had a tough sched so far.. so they might be even better than their 10-8 record.. and Fox might put up even better #s than he has so far this year. Yea, the Kings have beaten OKC twice, Memphis, Utah, and the Spurs. Only "bad" losses were to the Pelicans and the Bucks. I'm excited to see them playing relatively well for the Kings standard. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On November 24 2018 08:45 darthfoley wrote: Yea, the Kings have beaten OKC twice, Memphis, Utah, and the Spurs. Only "bad" losses were to the Pelicans and the Bucks. I'm excited to see them playing relatively well for the Kings standard. i don't consider the Bucks loss as a bad loss. The Bucks have had the toughest schedule in the NBA and are the best team in the East so far. Toronto and Milwaukee played each other without their best players and Toronto got mangled. Milwaukee also mangled Portland. Milwaukee has played damn good this year. | ||
darthfoley
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On November 24 2018 09:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i don't consider the Bucks loss as a bad loss. The Bucks have had the toughest schedule in the NBA and are the best team in the East so far. Toronto and Milwaukee played each other without their best players and Toronto got mangled. Milwaukee also mangled Portland. Milwaukee has played damn good this year. True, but losing by 49 or whatever isn't "keeping it close" | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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JimmiC
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On November 24 2018 11:25 darthfoley wrote: True, but losing by 49 or whatever isn't "keeping it close" And Mil lost to PHX last night. There is a lot of basketball to be played and things to get sorted out, it is still so early in the year. Like I expect GSW to still be the best team in the west come playoff time. I believe Sac is good enough to be in the playoffs which is crazy to say after how they have been. I hope the owner doesn't get in the way. I have heard that he was in a big fight with the ocach about Bagly's playing time. If they can their coach in their first winning season in forever I'd be very worried about the franchise. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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https://streamable.com/u13mj Last night Brook Lopez became the first person in NBA history to go 0-12 from 3. | ||
ZenithM
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I don't think it's a problem with Tatum because he will be one of the guys who gets more touches as time goes on anyway. But maybe just something that exists for a few players. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On November 27 2018 00:04 ZenithM wrote: I kinda believe the theory that Boston has too many players who would command shots and playing time elsewhere and it's affecting their locker room/chemistry on the court. For one, we've heard reports of Rozier's discontent at not having as many shots anymore. Maybe the other guys look at Hayward and think he doesn't deserve as many minutes as he gets (27 mpg but he's quite atrocious). Then it could be a thing that every time a guy touches the ball, they feel they have to shoot it instead of passing it up because they don't get as many touches as before. I don't think it's a problem with Tatum because he will be one of the guys who gets more touches as time goes on anyway. But maybe just something that exists for a few players. i think you are correct to focus on Boston's offense as the source of the problem. Their defense is excellent. On November 27 2018 00:04 ZenithM wrote: Then it could be a thing that every time a guy touches the ball, they feel they have to shoot it instead of passing it up because they don't get as many touches as before. i think you're in the right area here. my take is: too much dribbling by too many guys who fancy themselves as undiscovered ISO scoring specialists. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22799 Posts
On November 27 2018 00:04 ZenithM wrote: I kinda believe the theory that Boston has too many players who would command shots and playing time elsewhere and it's affecting their locker room/chemistry on the court. For one, we've heard reports of Rozier's discontent at not having as many shots anymore. Maybe the other guys look at Hayward and think he doesn't deserve as many minutes as he gets (27 mpg but he's quite atrocious). Then it could be a thing that every time a guy touches the ball, they feel they have to shoot it instead of passing it up because they don't get as many touches as before. I don't think it's a problem with Tatum because he will be one of the guys who gets more touches as time goes on anyway. But maybe just something that exists for a few players. I think pace is an underrated part of their issues. Part of the reason GSW were able to keep so many people fed is they played at a high pace, which has slowed without curry, but still. Bos is at 23 in the league. They also need to take it to the rack a bunch more. If you have superior depth you should play as fast and as hard as you can to tire out teams without as much. That or trade some of your depth for top end talent. Or better yet both. | ||
Jerubaal
United States7675 Posts
I've been toying with the idea of making an updated Devil's Dictionary, and that's a new one. The commonality that most of the modern terms have is the attempt to obfuscate discourse. Trying to cast aspersions without actually having an argument. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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A big requirement of the stat is that it needs a large amount of data to be valid. So I'm not sure daily updates provides additional solid information. I guess if lots of people like the stat then daily updates are good for clicks. I guess ESPN is happy with the stat because they keep putting more resources behind it each year. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/1 | ||
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