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The latest patch has made mech unplayable, along with late game Terran. Well, not the latest, but ever since the raven patch there is something really wrong with SC2.
This needs to be talked about. It needs immediate hotfixes/attention from the developers because it's a standout issue.
You should not be able to make 1 super unit that counters an entire strategy. Currently tempests just replaced the carrier vs mech as OP. Swarmhosts are equally OP and everyone in the community understands this at this point, people just expect this to not be fixed.
At this point - if you as an SC2 community want every game to be 5 barracks reactor starport tech lab factory from Terran, you need to speak up.
Mech can be viable, i've written these types of posts for years and we keep getting garbage patches that make mech worse every patch.
It is un-fun, and ridiculous that a mech vs protoss game turns into a player making 20 tempests which are now uncounterable by any comp.
Same goes for Zerg - since 1.5 yr ago there hasn't been a fix to flying locusts and every game Zerg just masses swarmhosts + anything they want from free money generated due to locust waves.
It's a matter of game balance - the tempest they just added needs reverts, the swarmhost has needed removal/fixes for a long time, and finally the last thing that is wrong with Terran right now.
The last thing is - maybe swarmhosts/tempests would be manageable...IF RAVENS STILL EXISTED IN THE GAME. Ravens have been essentially removed from the game due to developers not understanding each race has late game scaling units, and the raven was Terran's only late game AOE SCALING UNIT.
PDD was useful previously vs tempests, as was seeker for mass AOE. Without these, Terran on the current patches, and previous is almost an automatic loss in late game macro games.
I honestly don't care if ravens receive a revert, but it's ludicrous tempests were buffed into the state they are in right now and swarmhosts received no patch changes or fixes and were purposely ignored up to this point.
It's to the point every game i stream is versus someone abusing making 100% tempest or 100% swarmhost virtually every game. Any mech Terran will tell you this is the state the game is in, and it's the most un fun bullshit. Ravens made it manageable before - now it is not.
A community like Starcraft 2 is started from people loving the game they play and developers paying attention to their community and tweaking things when there are problems. Tempests and swarmhosts along with ravens/mech need immediate hotfixes because they are in a piss poor state.
I'll hope for a discussion on this, not on whether i'm right - because it's obvious these issues exist in the game right now. I want people to discuss and bring these to Blizzard's attention so that mech is a viable strategy again, and FUN instead of being forced to play vs swarmhosts/tempests 90% of games.
Thank you. -A pissed off SC2 fan who sees SC2 going the Heroes route if things like this are not addressed.
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protoss lategame is imba atm.... thats why Innovation plays 2 base all-in with scv pull every game against toss!
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100% of the streamers I watch complain about swarmhosts and tempests and how imbalanced mech is. Everyone is also a maphacker and/or stream cheater. I only watch one streamer.
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Little Johnny no one cares about you anymore you cry all the time, accuse people of map hacking or stream sniping you when you are clearly just outplayed. Grow up try a different strat. try watching some of the streamers that pound you everytime they play you. You BM them telling them they suck because the squash you. Ive watched @wintergaming beat you with both the races you cry about being imbalanced. @BeastyQT just toys with you they dont have to snipe you you play the same exact build every time good or no good you just keep doing it, and you blame the game. Get a life avilo your just not that good. And your surely not a mech god that's hilarious.
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The counter to Swarm Hosts and Tempests is aggressive play - that is what you consistently fail to do. You make the same chronic mistakes: You expand too late. Build too much production and static defenses too early. You fail to take exploit Terran's myriad of viable aggressive harass options. All of this - you fail to improve on. No, you do not play theoretically perfect as you like to brag on your stream. The weaknesses in your play are independent of whether non-Terran races are favored versus Terran. You don't bother to honestly analyze your own play. It's almost always game balance, maphackers, streamsniping, blah, blah, blah.
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This thread is already going great what with all the 1 post users...
And the original post could have been cut down to two or three sentences tops if you got rid of all the grandstanding rhetoric (e.g "this needs to be talked about", "A community like Starcraft 2 is started from people loving the game").
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On December 18 2018 15:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This thread is already going great what with all the 1 post users...
And the original post could have been cut down to two or three sentences tops if you got rid of all the grandstanding rhetoric (e.g "this needs to be talked about", "A community like Starcraft 2 is started from people loving the game").
Most people do love the game, Others like to cry on 4097 post about how bad its imbalanced and people map hack and stream snipe. Is that what were talking about here? Personally I suck at the game but I watch a lot of streamers that kill Avilo game after game after game. they dont even have to scout they know what he is doing before the game starts.
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I would suggest you watch the Puck vs Chammy on You Tube Puck and his mass Voids and Tempest get destroyed. with no swarm host. So is it balance issues or just sucky play?
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On December 18 2018 15:47 mcoop854 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2018 15:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This thread is already going great what with all the 1 post users...
And the original post could have been cut down to two or three sentences tops if you got rid of all the grandstanding rhetoric (e.g "this needs to be talked about", "A community like Starcraft 2 is started from people loving the game"). Most people do love the game, Others like to cry on 4097 post about how bad its imbalanced and people map hack and stream snipe. Is that what were talking about here? Personally I suck at the game but I watch a lot of streamers that kill Avilo game after game after game. they dont even have to scout they know what he is doing before the game starts.
If weren't for Terran (Mech) being underpowered and if it weren't for all of those maphackers and streamsnipers, Avilo would have won several GSLs by now. /s
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Jokes about avilo aside, mass tempest is very silly atm.
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I'd rather want them to revert the Cyclone nerf asap. Roach allins are silly atm - not to mention the shitshow that is early game tvt...
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On December 18 2018 16:05 Charoisaur wrote: I'd rather want them to revert the Cyclone nerf asap. Roach allins are silly atm - not to mention the shitshow that is early game tvt...
The new Cyclone actually requires some effort get value out of - this is a good thing for SC2.
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Right, jokes about Avilo aside. Temptest is such a bullshit right now. Fucking Ferrari.
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On December 18 2018 16:05 Charoisaur wrote: I'd rather want them to revert the Cyclone nerf asap. Roach allins are silly atm - not to mention the shitshow that is early game tvt...
Early game TvT finally feels stable to me, and I find the 55-65 drone roach all-ins much harder to hold than the roach rushes, which I don't think cyclones help with much.
That being said, I do think the new tempest is silly even vs bio, luckily for me I usually don't make it that far in TvP anyway.
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It is a good feeling when you read the thread's name and you know who made it, before you open it.
Makes one wonder why certain users are still allowed to create topics.
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On December 18 2018 16:26 Ej_ wrote: It is a good feeling when you read the thread's name and you know who made it, before you open it.
Makes one wonder why certain users are still allowed to create topics. It's a free country. D E H.
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Swarm Hosts seems a bit too cheap in my opinion, they need to cost more than 75 gas for the benefit they provide.
Tempest seems almost absurd with the current stats, 15/10 range combined with high speed means your units are dead before they even reach the Tempest.
So I would suggest:
1. Increase Swarm Hosts cost to 150/100. 2. Decrease Tempest range to 13/9.
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Swarm hosts are too fast and durable in my opinion. Whenever I catch them out of position, they just run away. Wish my bio army can just run away from a 7 million baneling surround amove while on creep.
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Poor Avilo, you always complain about balance and you are still a 5.3K player Terran after 8 years of full time SC2 ???
There is for sure some balance to be fix, but if you are good as you think you are, you will be a lot better than a High/Low GM.
And I dont speak about Stream Sniper and Maphackers (or you will be the number 1 LUL Kappa)
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On December 18 2018 15:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This thread is already going great what with all the 1 post users...
And the original post could have been cut down to two or three sentences tops if you got rid of all the grandstanding rhetoric (e.g "this needs to be talked about", "A community like Starcraft 2 is started from people loving the game").
Is there a way to check the IP adress of those 1 post acount? I mean I am 95% they are just alt of other poster, but a small part of me want to beleive that there is a bunch of people who were lurking on TL for year who decided THIS was the one thread they couldn't possibly stay silent about.
Serral winning Blizzcon? Small news Team Liquid GOAT list? To each their oppinion Life Matchfixing scandal? Unecessery Soap drama Avilo 17th thread on balance change? TIME TO MAKE AN ACCOUNT
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