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(a) If Serral is dethroned, it'll be by KRs—him handily beating all foreigners is basically axiomatic.
(b) Who could dethrone him this year? Maybe a better question is, which race will first? [For sure it won't be Zerg—he dominated Dark and Rogue, so I give basically zero chance of any lesser Zs beating him, basically implying all other Zs.]
(c) It'll be Terran(s): INoVation, Maru, and TY could still take out Serral, any doing so being far from upsetting—at HSC, a (relatively) rusty TaeJa barely missed taking him out 3-1. [God it'll be lovely if the TaeJa-of-Old emerges!]
(d) INno barely missed doing so in the same tournament. INno is in great form again, possibly like his form of yore. [For you young bux out there who missed the Age of the Machine, there was a time, a very long one, where INno did to KRs what Serral does to foreigners.] Without doubt INno could beat Serral this year.
(e) If not by INno then by Maru. Maru is the most naturally talented SC2 player ever. Maru at his best could handily take out Serral—you'd be a fool to be surprised if Maru ever 4-1 or 4-2'd him in a Finals.
(f) TY still has his moments. On-point TY could beat Serral, but it'd be extremely close.
(g) Zest, Classic, and Stats could still do it, but I find it unlikely. If I had to pick which of them would, it'd be Stats.
(h) Serral could, and likely will, be around a long time. He's patient, low-neuroticism, and maybe most importantly, can consistently reverse-sweep—off the top of my head, I can't think of another player that consistently comes back and wins when big money's at stake.
(i) I know we all have occasionally had our nuts speed-bagged by what-if? "Dream Finals"—crowdfunding could create those Dream Finals and answer many what-if?s. If we don't get the tournament finals we want, crowdfund them. It'd help keep the SC2 scene alive since as long as players have the opportunity to earn big money, they'll stay. At any rate, we need to look into ways to keep such a beautiful game from dying a slow death when its current skill-level is undoubtedly the highest in history. We really need to explore crowdfunding Dream Finals and the like.
(j) Serral is a lovable guy and I wish him the best in SC2—his play is truly inspired. But far more importantly, based off the 2018 WCS Finals promo video about him, he seems like a damn good man.
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i dont understand this post
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No. His most recent loss of a series was to neeb, 0-3 btw, on 20 october 2018 (granted he was hiding strats for WCS). Also he barely scraped by vs Scarlett, dropped maps to has and lost in a major tournament against Elazer 7 january 2018. And yes, also Maru beat him in WESG two month later. But just no, it is far from axiomatic that he handily beats all foreigner. I actually think most likely a foreign zerg is gonna take a series off him.
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The first Bonjwa of SC2 will fall when he does, I don't think speculation has much value. He may very well lose to uThermal in the next WCS event, but there's no one outcome like this I'd bet on.
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It takes a genius to dethrone another genius. The way I see it is that LotV has for a long time now been about having a gameplan that spans into the later stages of the game and about having the best execution at these stages. It's as if the spoutings of old is finally coming to fruition. Day9 & Artosis vision of how the game should be played, after 8 years of SC2 is finally coming true. The only difference is that it's not about only defensive play as how IdrA played the game, though we still have some of that play today, Scarlett's TvZ comes to mind. It's moreso the battle of attention and forcing the opponent to have to pay attention at home as well. So the more battles you can have going at the same time, the more the better player will shine through. Serral is at the absolute peak in this aspect and is winning LotV. People make the case for Maru, but I think Maru is only comparable to Serral in TvZ and even if he would have the upper hand vs Serral, I doubt so, but even still it doesn't mean dethroning him, as Serral is winning the bigger picture, he's winning in 3 matchups, where Maru is not. So I think we need to look for a genius in not execution, but a different kind of genius. I'm thinking people who were the Gods of the earlier installments of this game, these guys who could not rely on the playstyle that we play today. It was more a mental battle as in playing a bo3/bo5/bo7 to it's fullest extend. It was also large head on skirmishes where one battle would decide the game, instead of a battle of attrition. Geniuses like sOs, Parting, TaeJA. Obviously they are not at the current top skill level like Serral, Stats and Maru, but were they to be, the forgotten knowledge of yesteryear would be at full display and this is my guess as to what and who could dethrone the empire as of today.
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Taeja vs Reynor will be 2019 Blizzcon finals. Mark my words.
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On January 03 2019 23:46 ejozl wrote: Serral is winning the bigger picture, he's winning in 3 matchups, where Maru is not. This doesn't make any sense at all.
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The plan is simple. We dethrone the Serral.
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Poll: Who's more delusional?Korean elitists (175) 61% Serral fanboys (113) 39% 288 total votes Your vote: Who's more delusional? (Vote): Serral fanboys (Vote): Korean elitists
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On January 04 2019 00:29 Ej_ wrote:Poll: Who's more delusional?Korean elitists (175) 61% Serral fanboys (113) 39% 288 total votes Your vote: Who's more delusional? (Vote): Serral fanboys (Vote): Korean elitists
This is probably one of the best posts I've seen in a while.
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On January 03 2019 23:05 MatteDaemon wrote: (a) If Serral is dethroned, it'll be by KRs—him handily beating all foreigners is basically axiomatic.
(b) Who could dethrone him this year? Maybe a better question is, which race will first? [For sure it won't be Zerg—he dominated Dark and Rogue, so I give basically zero chance of any lesser Zs beating him, basically implying all other Zs.]
(c) It'll be Terran(s): INoVation, Maru, and TY could still take out Serral, any doing so being far from upsetting—at HSC, a (relatively) rusty TaeJa barely missed taking him out 3-1. [God it'll be lovely if the TaeJa-of-Old emerges!]
(d) INno barely missed doing so in the same tournament. INno is in great form again, possibly like his form of yore. [For you young bux out there who missed the Age of the Machine, there was a time, a very long one, where INno did to KRs what Serral does to foreigners.] Without doubt INno could beat Serral this year.
(e) If not by INno then by Maru. Maru is the most naturally talented SC2 player ever. Maru at his best could handily take out Serral—you'd be a fool to be surprised if Maru ever 4-1 or 4-2'd him in a Finals.
(f) TY still has his moments. On-point TY could beat Serral, but it'd be extremely close.
(g) Zest, Classic, and Stats could still do it, but I find it unlikely. If I had to pick which of them would, it'd be Stats.
(h) Serral could, and likely will, be around a long time. He's patient, low-neuroticism, and maybe most importantly, can consistently reverse-sweep—off the top of my head, I can't think of another player that consistently comes back and wins when big money's at stake.
(i) I know we all have occasionally had our nuts speed-bagged by what-if? "Dream Finals"—crowdfunding could create those Dream Finals and answer many what-if?s. If we don't get the tournament finals we want, crowdfund them. It'd help keep the SC2 scene alive since as long as players have the opportunity to earn big money, they'll stay. At any rate, we need to look into ways to keep such a beautiful game from dying a slow death when its current skill-level is undoubtedly the highest in history. We really need to explore crowdfunding Dream Finals and the like.
(j) Serral is a lovable guy and I wish him the best in SC2—his play is truly inspired. But far more importantly, based off the 2018 WCS Finals promo video about him, he seems like a damn good man.
a) Based on the fact, that Serral won't meet many Koreans soon apart from IEM Katowice, I think it's more likely for him to be beaten by another foreigner. Almost every top foreign Zerg had extremely close series against Serral (Reynor, Scarlett, Lambo). Showtime and Neeb also haven't been exactly easy tasks for him to take on. At the same time there are quite some great players currently training in Korea, so we could expect someone of them (Elazer, uThermal, Sortof, Zanster, Special, PtitDrogo) to have an upswing in skill.
b) If it is a foreigner, which isn't unlikely it will almost definitely a Zerg.
c) We'll have to see how korean Terrans and especially how Serral adapted to the current patch. The close series against Terrans at HomestoryCup may have been caused by the patch being easier adaptable for Terrans.
d) Inno has been quite volatile the last year. We'll have to wait, if he can keep up his good form. I really hope so.
e) Maru is not (by far!) the most naturally talented SC2-Player. It took him seven years to get to the state he showed us in 2018. His prior sucess was quite heavily overshadowed by a long time of not-close-enough'ness. The most naturally talented SC2-Players are probably Life, Taeja and Serral, considering the ease they took trophies again and again after having their breakthrough while not being known to be following a very rigid training regime. Still I hope that you're right and Maru will continue his great form of 2018 and take his crown as best player of the world.
f) TY is almost a blackbox to me. I can both see him taking Serral out as well as totally crumbling against him.
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inno and stats both appear to currently be rising in form I would wager inno is the first to take him down
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On January 04 2019 00:29 Ej_ wrote:Poll: Who's more delusional?Korean elitists (175) 61% Serral fanboys (113) 39% 288 total votes Your vote: Who's more delusional? (Vote): Serral fanboys (Vote): Korean elitists
can I vote both?
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How is Maru more naturally talented than Life? Life walked the royal road and Maru was lucky to make a finals until 2018. Maru isn't even close to the most naturally talented Starcraft player lmao.
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By the way Flash won 3 ASL in 2017 and won nothing in 2018 (if I recall correctly). I don't understand why you'd assume that someone who won a few tournaments in one year would win even more in the next year.
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On January 04 2019 03:46 Rodya wrote: Life walked the royal road and Maru was lucky to make a finals until 2018 Maru royal roaded OSL and SSL
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Your bias towards koreans and against Serral/foreigners is prominent in most of your points, OP. I think you noticed this midway and added (h) and (j) because of that. It's funny. If I'm totally in the wrong with this I'm sorry but it appears to me like that.
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I'd never thought than Matt Daemon followed starcraft II this is so great for the scene.
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why we want him de throned? Do you not long for a clear world champion, the one we have to beat. When it happens it will be special again just like it was this time . . .and no i dont mean special is going to do it.
I personally think all the current roster of 'top' players are kind of dwindling a bit. What ive noticed in a lot fo games over the last year is we have got back to the making massive death balls with more spells this time around. Serral seems to be the only one who seems to be making the skirmishes (unless ur a drop terran but this is indeed a style in itself)
not sure, kind of like sc2 the way it is now. its like we have something to root for again rather than A KR winning all the time and then being set behind a region lock and we dont see much of them.
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On January 04 2019 03:52 Rodya wrote: By the way Flash won 3 ASL in 2017 and won nothing in 2018 (if I recall correctly). I don't understand why you'd assume that someone who won a few tournaments in one year would win even more in the next year. That's a bad analogy considering his wrist injury.
I think the most important factor here is the map and the patch changes. How impactful are they and will Serral be able to evolve with them? Usually with patches come new strategies and unit compositions. Some of these new strategies may be able to poke holes in the goliath. I imagine the same will happen to Maru too. So I think patches and maps are the biggest reason why you can't use last years results as an indicator for this year.
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