[G] ZvP All-ins, The Guessing Game and Trickery - Page 5
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
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RaiZ
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
On August 07 2009 21:17 RaiZ wrote: P whinning about Z's cheeses ? Gimme a efing break ! As if we have a lot of them... Just play z yourself and see what T is doing... Or play T and guess P's opening... Seriously just stop complaining about everything because we already have a hard time to open cheeses with zerg. And even so it's really unlikely that it'll come out flawlessly... I don´t know if you´re adressing me but I play zerg and defending p cheese is easier in my opinion because its easy to scout, and zerg has a lot of options early game very hard to scout and make sense of for protoss, which is probably why I´ll start tvz :/ | ||
RaiZ
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flag
United States228 Posts
I have some other potential all ins that could be added to the list. One is 1 hatch lurk ling (jaedong did this against some protoss on demon's forest). He lost but the toss seemed to have chosen a good counter to his build seemingly by luck. Obviously this build will only work on maps where you can hide the fact that you only have 1 hatch. Another similar all in is lurker ling but from 2 hatch. This one done as an adaptation depending on their cannon placement at natural. The goal is to rush in and take out a cannon or 2 with lings so that lurkers can position themselves to hit the nexus while the toss has no detection in range. I saw mondragon do this a couple of times on ungoro crater and it always worked in the games I saw. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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ccou
United States681 Posts
On August 07 2009 21:17 RaiZ wrote: P whinning about Z's cheeses ? Gimme a efing break ! As if we have a lot of them... Just play z yourself and see what T is doing... Or play T and guess P's opening... Seriously just stop complaining about everything because we already have a hard time to open cheeses with zerg. And even so it's really unlikely that it'll come out flawlessly... Where is this whining? The last couple pages have been a couple of P players saying it's legit to win with nonstandard Z builds while a couple of Z players saying it's better to play standard 5 hat macro. If anything, it's the protoss players defending zerg "cheese." And before that, it's been mostly praise for the OP from all races. EDIT: To contribute, this guessing game is what makes PvZ a lot of fun for me. My two Z friends always keep me guessing and really make me work for intel. Neither of them go for hydra or ling all ins that much, but I get fast lurkers, slow drop lurkers, 3 base+hidden 4th for massive macro, 2 hat muta pretty often. I'm almost disappointed in how most pro games just end up so standard when both races have so many timing options. | ||
Crunchums
United States11142 Posts
Rally your hatches to P's main, 6 mutas followed by 4 scourge, then 1 hatch muta, 1 hatch scourge non-stop to P's base. you should have excess money for a third hatch very soon due to heavy gas consumption. Should this hatch be at an expo or should it be in base? | ||
StarN
United States2587 Posts
In fact, when I see a zerg get 9pool+gas, I ALWAYS hide a scouting probe before the zerg has an overlord at my choke which can spot any probe which comes out of my base. Since when zerg gets speed, your 1st scouting probe in his base will be a goner. :O | ||
StorrZerg
United States13905 Posts
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ccou
United States681 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11806_Kal_vs_Shine[kaL]/vod | ||
Sixer
United States278 Posts
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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w3jjjj
United States760 Posts
On August 07 2009 23:34 Crunchums wrote: Should this hatch be at an expo or should it be in base? I always put it in base, because I won't have enough drones to mine from a third base anyway, might as well stay on two bases and make defense easier. Since this build is successful only if you destroy P's main, it should be 2 base vs 1 base in zerg's favor. If mutas fail to kill P's main, it's gg no matter where you put the new hatch. On August 08 2009 00:31 Railxp wrote: i jizzed. Will you be the daddy of my larvae? Gold | ||
Neivler
Norway911 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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iamho
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iamho
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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