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GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
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Aveng3r
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
Hey GH. I need to clarify some things with you: A) The ban feature for blogs is not meant for you to use as you freely wish. The ban feature for bloggers was put in place in case people started harassing the owner of the blog for expressing their views on TL. It was never meant to be used as a feature where you can ban people just because they disagree with you. B) Therefore, please unban everyone that you have banned up this point. C) Lastly, from now on, if you want to ban someone from your blog, you will have to PM me and receive my approval first. You'll need to provide legitimate proof that you actually have a good reasoning for why you feel that this user needs to be banned from your blog. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. -Seeker Since the only person banned was someone that doesn't exist posting in a blog that doesn't exist to them the demand to unban them didn't make much sense to me. Also I think letting Seeker be the determiner of bans will ruin my Blog (as he kinda already has). Basically the situation is that Seeker has decided that if that person doesn't get to post in my Blog, no one does. Which also seems silly since the person prefers the already existing thread they can post in freely. It makes no sense to me why they would instead want to force themselves on my Blog where they aren't supposed to interact with me or why Seeker would hold the whole blog hostage to force it. the best explanation I've heard is that "they should be able to post in your blog" even though it clearly breaks the established agreement of mutual non-existence (as the person has several times) and is ridiculous on it's face imo. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
In Seekers case, TL does not want people using their blogs as discussion threads that let the OP obtain moderator status. As he said, that is not the intent of the ban feature. He does not seem to object to you having some level of control who posts there, but wants to be clear a TL admin has oversight. I do not believe that is unreasonable, as this is their website and there are plenty of services where you could have complete control over your blog/discussion. Rather than assume Seeker will ruin it, it would make sense to assent and see how it works out. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
On November 02 2018 06:22 Plansix wrote: Without further specifics, I understand both of your reasonings. It doesn’t make sense to unban someone if they were banned well before this new blog was created. In Seekers case, TL does not want people using their blogs as discussion threads that let the OP obtain moderator status. As he said, that is not the intent of the ban feature. He does not seem to object to you having some level of control who posts there, but wants to be clear a TL admin has oversight. I do not believe that is unreasonable, as this is their website and there are plenty of services where you could have complete control over your blog/discussion. Rather than assume Seeker will ruin it, it would make sense to assent and see how it works out. I don't have moderator status, I simply have a blog where I want people who are not supposed to interact with me to not force themselves into at this point. Moreover it's simply ridiculous to force him into my blog but then have a rule that I can't openly disagree with him. If the autonomy is a problem (I have no idea why it should be) it should at least be that the banned person can appeal to a Mod (preferably not Seeker) rather than ask for permission. The process Seeker wants to implement is just a slower less effective report button. The Blog was working until Seeker broke it. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But my opinion on the subject is irrelevant. It is my call and it seems simplistic to have the blog reopened. Just do it and see how it works with Seeker. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
On November 02 2018 06:45 Plansix wrote: As I said, I didn’t find his request unreasonable. There is no urgency to ban anyone and you have never threatened to do so. If someone was shitposting enough where you felt they needed a ban, I donut Seeker or another admin would disagree with you. But my opinion on the subject is irrelevant. That's the issue. I think a user who had an agreement to pretend I don't exist posting in my blog instead of the thread without any explanation of why that is necessary or why they should be given the benefit of the doubt or why they aren't content to stick to the thread shouldn't be in my blog, seeker disagrees, so now no blog. You agree with Seeker and somehow now the benefits of the Blog are rapidly being stripped. If I wanted to post in a thread where Seeker determined who should be banned and when I'd just be trying to get that several month long temp ban lifted, the Blog was in part so that instead of shitting up the thread, and pestering the mods I could handle it myself. If it turned out that the problem was me, I'd end up alone with everyone posting in the thread instead, if the problem was moderation then we would end up with a politics Blog where we had good, heated discussions and people who preferred the moderation of the thread would be delighted that those that had problems with it were gone. This move by Seeker has turned the latter outcome into a locked thread in order to break something that was working fine for reasons I don't understand. it seems simplistic to have the blog reopened. Just do it I agree with this 100% | ||
iamthedave
England2814 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
On November 02 2018 08:07 iamthedave wrote: I don't know the person in question or what happened, but while it is a hassle I don't see a problem with PMing a mod if you want to ban someone. The blog isn't very fast moving anyway so you'd likely have them banned soon enough. Why wouldn't I just use the report button if that's how I wanted to resolve things? | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 02 2018 08:35 GreenHorizons wrote: Why wouldn't I just use the report button if that's how I wanted to resolve things? Valid point. Sounds like you don’t really need the ban feature after all. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
thank you | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
Once you banned someone that you disagreed with, he asked you nicely to unban them because you are now playing moderator which again was not the purpose of giving you another outlet for discussion. You still refuse to unban said individual from my understanding, and by refusing to comply to the rules, the blog got locked. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22806 Posts
I don't understand your logic about the me not existing, if I didn't exist how would you ban me in the first place? Clearly you understood I did exist so stop playing victim. I find it extremely funny that you made numerous posts about how you didn't like the tattletale nature of the uspol thread but it is clear to me from your constant need to tattle on me(and perhaps others, I would love to know your number of reports) that it is not tattle tailing that you hate, you in fact love to do it, it is people tattling on you that you dislike. This is a situation of your creation, as I wrote on the automated ban thread which you read, I don't even care that you banned me. I'm fine with it. And I'm fine to never post there. I enjoyed reading it for the most part, especially early on before it became so fighty because there was different perspectives. I also mentioned this in the feedback thread which you also read so I'm sure you read it. Both in real life and online I have been able to have disagreements, even severe ones and find a way to get along or at least co-exist.I figured with the time that had passed I could post there but if I have hurt you so deeply then fine. I will never post again and happily won't. You can simply un-ban me and I'm sure Seeker would (or at least would have before you thought it was a great idea to passive aggressively attack the moderators and specifically him.) unlock the thread. The irony is I would have simply PM'd to you "Unban me and won't post again, no big deal" expect you would tattle and I would get banned again, and it kinda sucked because Klay Thompson went off, so did D. Rose, I would have liked to post and couldn't. With football coming up it was not worth the risk to let you know you could have your cake and eat too. And if I'm the menace you think I am I will clearly write something inappropriate and the mods of shown no hesitation to ban me immediately, so either way you win. I mean Seeker didn't lock this thread right away did he? No he likely talked to you about it privately and instead of being reasonable you threw a tantrum and created this mess. I didn't get a chance to explain or discuss, I was just banned. And I just took it. I get that you see yourself as a "revolutionary" who needs to fight injustice. The problem here is you see injustice in situations that you in fact create. You see yourself as the victim and hell you might be, but of yourself. Moderation and Seeker are not the problem, you are dude. Chill out, so much drama over such a little thing. Would it have been so hard to say "Please JimmiC, for some reason we just don't mix. I started this blog because I didn't want to deal with you and I wanted to avoid being moderated. Can you stay on the main thread and I'll stay on this one for the foreseeable future." I would have said sure and if I didn't you could then show that you tried to be a adult about it and I'm actually the jerk. And likely got me banned which you apparently love to do. Instead you proved the opposite by throwing a tantrum and causing your blog to be shut down. Its not just you either there are other guys that either do to bans or choice only post on yours so you are screwing it up for them. In fact I repeatedly told Mods that I didn't want to get unbanned. I said it would cause some sort of drama and didn't want it. This was long before your thread was locked (I can show timestamps of the messages if you think I'm lying). I then said it again once it was locked. I then asked for there not to be a public airing of grievances because I didn't want this. And I don't think Seeker is being unreasonable. It sounds like he simply trying to get the point across to you that you simply cannot ban people because you don't like them, they have to do something that they deserve banning for. This actually works in your favor, because of how you continually act towards the Mod staff, do you really think if they were allowed to ban people they simply do not like that you would still be posting here? So stop pretending like you are the victim. Take a look at the actions that YOU took that lead to this, it didn't happen to you, it happened because of you. Really ask yourself, did I create the blog truly because I wanted to talk politics, or did I start it to try to prove that I could do it better and stick it to the mods? If it is the second did you? Some might say you almost were until.... well you know. TL,DR you are doing this to yourself, I don't need to post on your blog, I never did, I never fought the banning. This is wrong hill to die on. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States21791 Posts
On November 02 2018 09:39 BigFan wrote: From reading everything, I think what Seeker did was pretty reasonable. In the first place, he allowed you to create essentially a copy of US Politics so that a discussion can be had with those banned from the thread. That was already extremely generous on his part. Then he made sure to let you know that you can't openly ban someone from this blog, which at this time, isn't so much your blog, but another TL thread. Once you banned someone that you disagreed with, he asked you nicely to unban them because you are now playing moderator which again was not the purpose of giving you another outlet for discussion. You still refuse to unban said individual from my understanding, and by refusing to comply to the rules, the blog got locked. I sincerely appreciate getting a response. I'm not sure what you have and haven't read but I have to disagree. In the first place that is not at all why I created my Blog and it should be clear if seeker's let you read the PM's around it's creation. Secondly, the ban in question has nothing to do with the poster's POV other than it helped precipitate the original mutual non-existence agreement. Beyond that, I presumed it was obvious that I don't even have a problem with unbanning the user in general. It's that I get to look forward to being forced to run across posts like they just made and then won't be able to respond to them. It seems to me rather than some gracious favor, Seeker wants to take the things that made the Blog a better place for those that wanted to use it and dismantle them. Additionally there seems to be great resistance to me being able to moderate my blog and I don't understand why it's a problem? Regardless, I stated in the OP I was open to alternative solutions to me modding, but the absolute worst way it could be handled was having Seeker send a PM saying he wanted to mod it like the thread. At this point I'm not even angry about all this, I'm genuinely bewildered at how we could be having such a failure to communicate. Additionally at this point the blog is locked because someone who doesn't want to post in it can't. That's it. That seems ridiculous to me. TLDR: Unlock the blog and the problem resolves itself. Alternatively, my reasonable request is that we try to find a resolution that everyone finds acceptable rather than just be forced to accept the one presented by Seeker. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22806 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13540 Posts
Its sad that what was turning out to be a better thread then the main one (for reasons I guess we just won't talk about) beacuse of small potatoes like this. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22806 Posts
I also followed the rules after our issues and didnt get multimonth banned and then fight to have it reduced to a multimonth thread ban. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 02 2018 12:55 Sermokala wrote: You know Jimmi everyone else didn't have to have the moderators interviene and force them to not communicate with GH anymore despite how much they disagree with him. Maybe you should take a step back and realize what that means about you. Mods have had to interviene in numerous cases. No one in this thread is a saint.(Well maybe BigFan, I can’t be sure. He seems shifty to me) | ||
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