Just got cheese/rushed 8 times in a row
Blogs > Helios.Star |
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
| ||
ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
| ||
sixghost
United States2096 Posts
Choice 2: Smash keyboard Good choice | ||
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 12 2010 00:49 sixghost wrote: Choice 1: Scout more and play safer Choice 2: Smash keyboard Good choice Hard to scout 6 pools, but when I did scout I still lost late game from having to pull probes. Oh and the keyboard was 8 years old, so I'm way more pissed about losing the games than I am a $7 dollar keyboard. | ||
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
Consider this a lesson. If you can't defend cheese, then your scouting needs work, or you need to play less riskily. Perhaps your micromanagement or multitask is weak. The common trend of all of the above is that they involve weaknesses in your play, and that's something to work on. Care more about improving than points or rank, and you won't mind as much. | ||
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 12 2010 00:53 Dfgj wrote: I went something fun like 2-7 yesterday to cheese/aggression/terrible errors. It happens. Consider this a lesson. If you can't defend cheese, then your scouting needs work, or you need to play less riskily. Perhaps your micromanagement or multitask is weak. The common trend of all of the above is that they involve weaknesses in your play, and that's something to work on. Care more about improving than points or rank, and you won't mind as much. My micro sucks. Macro is what got me as high as I am now, so if my macro gets hurt in any way it seems to pretty much screw me. I tend to just make more than my opponent can/quick upgrade and just mow their army over. I DO care about improving, thats why I'm so frustrated and thats why I wont want to be bumped down. I know I'll steamroll most of the competition on lower levels, and going on those huge win streaks like i mentioned wont help anything but my confidence. | ||
ella_guru
Canada1741 Posts
YOU BROKE A KEYBOARD? Why? If you do care about improving, you just said your micro was weak.... Fix it ^_^ | ||
AleC
332 Posts
As long as you can get through the frustration and keep playing you'll end up a better, safer, and more aware player. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
To me, cheese isn't viable, so I never lose against it or win with it. | ||
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:01 xAlec wrote: You learn more from losing than you do from winning. As long as you can get through the frustration and keep playing you'll end up a better, safer, and more aware player. Thanks, I'm definitely going to keep playing. I just really hate losing, to put it extremely mildly. Whats made me most upset is when I BARELY dont survive. Like one of my last games I got proxy gated and ended up losing one more zealot than the other guy, had to pull probes to save a pylon which resulted in me losing to many to catch back up. I'm gonna go pick up another cheapo keyboard after work. Didnt Day[9] say he uses pos keyboards cause he smashed so many? :D On August 12 2010 00:59 ella_guru wrote: LOL YOU BROKE A KEYBOARD? Why? If you do care about improving, you just said your micro was weak.... Fix it ^_^ Gotcha, micros fixed, dunno why I didn't think of that. =p | ||
calgar
United States1277 Posts
On August 12 2010 00:56 Helios.Star wrote: My micro sucks. Macro is what got me as high as I am now, so if my macro gets hurt in any way it seems to pretty much screw me. I tend to just make more than my opponent can/quick upgrade and just mow their army over. I DO care about improving, thats why I'm so frustrated and thats why I wont want to be bumped down. I know I'll steamroll most of the competition on lower levels, and going on those huge win streaks like i mentioned wont help anything but my confidence. Well perhaps this is a wake up call as to where your game is lacking and what needs the most improvement? Be safe and scout more - I don't mind wasting time checking the corners of my base for proxy pylon->warpgate shennanigans or 6 raxs because I am confident that I can macro better and come out ahead in a 20 minute game. I'm not sure if you mentioned what race you play but walling is pro if you're terran or protoss, Z you can be more aggressive and pool earlier. If you always play the macro game try playing more aggressively - worst case you'll end up more well-rounded with a better understanding of gameplay dynamics. Silver lining in every cloud eh eh eh? | ||
Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
In a game where your probes have auto-surround and you can select all of them at once (no more leaving stray probes when you have 12+), you say you have problems handling early game pressure? Go play some fucking Brood War, you will come back as a gosu. There is a reason no one does early pool builds in pro gaming (RARE EXCEPTIONS ARE PRESENT BUT IRRELEVANT since no person going 6 pool has gosu micro), its because they don't work against anyone who has any concept of what micro is. Seriously. If I were you, I'd be breaking my keyboard too, like a person who doesn't know how to read would use a book as firewood. You are better off smashing it than doing whatever you were doing with it before. GG. | ||
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:09 calgar wrote: Well perhaps this is a wake up call as to where your game is lacking and what needs the most improvement? Be safe and scout more - I don't mind wasting time checking the corners of my base for proxy pylon->warpgate shennanigans or 6 raxs because I am confident that I can macro better and come out ahead in a 20 minute game. I'm not sure if you mentioned what race you play but walling is pro if you're terran or protoss, Z you can be more aggressive and pool earlier. If you always play the macro game try playing more aggressively - worst case you'll end up more well-rounded with a better understanding of gameplay dynamics. Silver lining in every cloud eh eh eh? Thanks, good advice. I play toss btw. Thinking about it I guess I dont wall enough, and if I do they arent proper walls (when I tried during the losing streak vs a zerg I got baneling busted, easily). | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
I usually BM for 15 minutes insteadof breaking my keyboard both works I guess yeah I know it's bad attitude but whatever | ||
dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
1. Can I hide behind my wall and mass repair? Or 2. Build a bunker in my min line and mass repair DONE | ||
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:11 Murderotica wrote: Uh so in a game where macro is like 6 keystrokes every 40 seconds and 2 keystrokes every 20 seconds (NOTE NO MOUSE USAGE), you say you are "good" at macro and that is what keeps you afloat, and your micro sucks. Pray tell, what do you do most of the time if you're not microing or scouting? In a game where your probes have auto-surround and you can select all of them at once (no more leaving stray probes when you have 12+), you say you have problems handling early game pressure? Go play some fucking Brood War, you will come back as a gosu. There is a reason no one does early pool builds in pro gaming (RARE EXCEPTIONS ARE PRESENT BUT IRRELEVANT since no person going 6 pool has gosu micro), its because they don't work against anyone who has any concept of what micro is. Seriously. If I were you, I'd be breaking my keyboard too, like a person who doesn't know how to read would use a book as firewood. You are better off smashing it than doing whatever you were doing with it before. GG. 6 keystrokes every 40 seconds and 2 keystrokes every 20 seconds? How did you manage to reach in and pull those numbers out your ass? I love people who come in here and talk like theyre all pro, or just talk like straight up dicks. If im not microing or scouting I suppose I'm making units, chronoboosting upgrades/robo units/probes, making buildings, trying to expand, etc. So what, you spend the majority of your time microing? I only got 6 pooled once and it was my own fault for not walling, it had nothing to do with macro at all. You cant defend from lings if you havent built any units yet. But I guess I shouldn't argue with you, since you win every game you play and every tourney you enter, and since you have "gosu" micro. Congrats on having the only non-constructive post here. | ||
shawabawa
United Kingdom417 Posts
On August 12 2010 00:50 Helios.Star wrote: Hard to scout 6 pools, but when I did scout I still lost late game from having to pull probes. Oh and the keyboard was 8 years old, so I'm way more pissed about losing the games than I am a $7 dollar keyboard. Wait you're in diamond and you can't defend a 6-pool? You really should be demoted... :/ edit: just read your previous post. You do not have to wall to defend a 6-pool, you can defend it with a 13-gate. Micro probes and run around for a bit until your chrono'd zealot comes out, then mix the zealot with the probes and fight. You'll finish with a lot more workers than the 5 drones the opponent has | ||
KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
Im playing 2v2 in Bronze with a good friend of mine who is completely new to RTS games (He was a consolegamer) and about 60-70% of all our games are against people cheesing. It's so fucking annoying that we ended up just floating buildings into corners and hiding pylons all the time. We are 8-7 i believe and ALL of our losses was against rushers/cheesers. | ||
Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
| ||
roronoe
Canada1527 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:11 Murderotica wrote: Uh so in a game where macro is like 6 keystrokes every 40 seconds and 2 keystrokes every 20 seconds (NOTE NO MOUSE USAGE), you say you are "good" at macro and that is what keeps you afloat, and your micro sucks. Pray tell, what do you do most of the time if you're not microing or scouting? In a game where your probes have auto-surround and you can select all of them at once (no more leaving stray probes when you have 12+), you say you have problems handling early game pressure? Go play some fucking Brood War, you will come back as a gosu. There is a reason no one does early pool builds in pro gaming (RARE EXCEPTIONS ARE PRESENT BUT IRRELEVANT since no person going 6 pool has gosu micro), its because they don't work against anyone who has any concept of what micro is. Seriously. If I were you, I'd be breaking my keyboard too, like a person who doesn't know how to read would use a book as firewood. You are better off smashing it than doing whatever you were doing with it before. GG. dude, whats your problem chill, yo | ||
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:12 Helios.Star wrote: Thanks, good advice. I play toss btw. Thinking about it I guess I dont wall enough, and if I do they arent proper walls (when I tried during the losing streak vs a zerg I got baneling busted, easily). As for what he said, definitely try playing more aggressively. You'll get more comfortable playing a less reactive, passive game, and develop multitask a lot quicker. There's also the advantage that playing aggressive tends to unsettle weaker players, and that alone can compound your advantage. If you have a bad session, just stop for awhile until you calm down and then get back to it. You definitely don't want to just depress yourself, but at the same time, don't give up too easily. | ||
Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:33 Adeny wrote: Out of my 30-some losses, at least 20 of them are to my PC crashing from the problem with some hardware overheating forcing reboot, I've yet to smash anything. Just calm the fuck down, and play really really safe. Like BBS wall-in in your own base-safe. Until you get to your own level in the ladder you can afford starting with less economy. Alternatively go play some SCBW, that should humble you enough to realize losing doesn't mean shit, someone is always going to be able to beat you. I dont care if its SC2, BW, checkers, or jacks, if I lose as many times as I did I'm gonna be just as pissed, I'm a competitor by nature. When the sc2 beta first went on hiatus I had to play Halo (I cant stand Halo) just to be able to get into some hard core competition, and even then losing upset me. I.Hate.Losing. Aside from the losing aspect it has nothing to do with the game itself. I wouldn't be as upset if my losses were due to computer error rather than me just straight up losing. But I definitely will be walling more from now on, I guess in retrospect it does seem like I may have been playing a bit careless in that regard. On August 12 2010 01:32 shawabawa wrote: Wait you're in diamond and you can't defend a 6-pool? You really should be demoted... :/ edit: just read your previous post. You do not have to wall to defend a 6-pool, you can defend it with a 13-gate. Micro probes and run around for a bit until your chrono'd zealot comes out, then mix the zealot with the probes and fight. You'll finish with a lot more workers than the 5 drones the opponent has Why? It happens when I havent seen it in about 300 games. Edit: Just read your edit. You know what? I think I did that, and was so upset from the previous losses I may have prematurely quit when I lost a bunch of probes. I'm gonna go back over that and the rest of the replays after work tonight. | ||
Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
| ||
Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 12 2010 01:42 Helios.Star wrote: Why? It happens when I havent seen it in about 300 games. I get what you mean with this, but try to avoid that mentality altogether against cheese. It's way too easy to say 'I lost, but it was X' - once you start excusing losses, you don't ever try to fix the mistakes you made. I know I lost 50% of my PvZs when I was around D/D+ in BW to speedlings/2 hatch hydras until I finally accepted that it was part of the game and practiced heavily to beat those builds. Get a friend to cheese you brutally until you're confident at holding all kinds off and moving on to take the game, and you'll get to appreciate the free wins that lackluster all-in players hand you. | ||
Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
2: Always be aware of the possibility of cheese in a ladder game before scouting. 3: Be thankful for all the free wins you get. You can't treat sc2 like theres its some luck game, where if you get cheesed and lose its not your fault. | ||
GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
| ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
1- Play better 2- Stop losing to cheese 3- Profit (Through not having to purchase new peripherals) ^^ | ||
FragKrag
United States11530 Posts
FUCK i know how you feel | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
Happened to me too last night >.>Was cheesed 6 out of 8 times. Lost 3 of those cheeses against me. And the sad thing is that I didn't expect it from them. It was on a 4 player map and I got 6pooled twice and 6raxx reaper rushed on Kulas 2 times and 1 time on LT. I was really pissed off but not at the cheesers but rather myself. Although the opponents were lucky (they didn't scout my base but had the most lucky guesses going straight to my base) without scouting. I should have known better and even though I scouted (I scouted their base last position every time whereas opponent didn't scout but got lucky to find my base first) I still couldn't stop it like I normally could have. Well 40 rating lost but I made up the games after. | ||
| ||