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On August 12 2010 01:12 Helios.Star wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 01:09 calgar wrote:On August 12 2010 00:56 Helios.Star wrote:On August 12 2010 00:53 Dfgj wrote: I went something fun like 2-7 yesterday to cheese/aggression/terrible errors. It happens.
Consider this a lesson. If you can't defend cheese, then your scouting needs work, or you need to play less riskily. Perhaps your micromanagement or multitask is weak. The common trend of all of the above is that they involve weaknesses in your play, and that's something to work on.
Care more about improving than points or rank, and you won't mind as much. My micro sucks. Macro is what got me as high as I am now, so if my macro gets hurt in any way it seems to pretty much screw me. I tend to just make more than my opponent can/quick upgrade and just mow their army over. I DO care about improving, thats why I'm so frustrated and thats why I wont want to be bumped down. I know I'll steamroll most of the competition on lower levels, and going on those huge win streaks like i mentioned wont help anything but my confidence. Well perhaps this is a wake up call as to where your game is lacking and what needs the most improvement? Be safe and scout more - I don't mind wasting time checking the corners of my base for proxy pylon->warpgate shennanigans or 6 raxs because I am confident that I can macro better and come out ahead in a 20 minute game. I'm not sure if you mentioned what race you play but walling is pro if you're terran or protoss, Z you can be more aggressive and pool earlier. If you always play the macro game try playing more aggressively - worst case you'll end up more well-rounded with a better understanding of gameplay dynamics. Silver lining in every cloud eh eh eh? Thanks, good advice. I play toss btw. Thinking about it I guess I dont wall enough, and if I do they arent proper walls (when I tried during the losing streak vs a zerg I got baneling busted, easily). As for what he said, definitely try playing more aggressively. You'll get more comfortable playing a less reactive, passive game, and develop multitask a lot quicker. There's also the advantage that playing aggressive tends to unsettle weaker players, and that alone can compound your advantage.
If you have a bad session, just stop for awhile until you calm down and then get back to it. You definitely don't want to just depress yourself, but at the same time, don't give up too easily.
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On August 12 2010 01:33 Adeny wrote: Out of my 30-some losses, at least 20 of them are to my PC crashing from the problem with some hardware overheating forcing reboot, I've yet to smash anything. Just calm the fuck down, and play really really safe. Like BBS wall-in in your own base-safe. Until you get to your own level in the ladder you can afford starting with less economy. Alternatively go play some SCBW, that should humble you enough to realize losing doesn't mean shit, someone is always going to be able to beat you.
I dont care if its SC2, BW, checkers, or jacks, if I lose as many times as I did I'm gonna be just as pissed, I'm a competitor by nature. When the sc2 beta first went on hiatus I had to play Halo (I cant stand Halo) just to be able to get into some hard core competition, and even then losing upset me. I.Hate.Losing. Aside from the losing aspect it has nothing to do with the game itself. I wouldn't be as upset if my losses were due to computer error rather than me just straight up losing. But I definitely will be walling more from now on, I guess in retrospect it does seem like I may have been playing a bit careless in that regard.
On August 12 2010 01:32 shawabawa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2010 00:50 Helios.Star wrote:On August 12 2010 00:49 sixghost wrote: Choice 1: Scout more and play safer Choice 2: Smash keyboard
Good choice Hard to scout 6 pools, but when I did scout I still lost late game from having to pull probes. Oh and the keyboard was 8 years old, so I'm way more pissed about losing the games than I am a $7 dollar keyboard. Wait you're in diamond and you can't defend a 6-pool? You really should be demoted... :/ edit: just read your previous post. You do not have to wall to defend a 6-pool, you can defend it with a 13-gate. Micro probes and run around for a bit until your chrono'd zealot comes out, then mix the zealot with the probes and fight. You'll finish with a lot more workers than the 5 drones the opponent has
Why? It happens when I havent seen it in about 300 games.
Edit: Just read your edit. You know what? I think I did that, and was so upset from the previous losses I may have prematurely quit when I lost a bunch of probes. I'm gonna go back over that and the rest of the replays after work tonight.
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I know exactly what you mean, there's nothing I hate more than losing. However after a while you'll probably find that getting angry is pretty pointless, and that the correct reaction is using that emotion towards doing everything to avoid losing. Might as well make the switch right away. Now, if I lose to something silly, I'll grind it out in training mode / similar, until I know exactly how to beat it every time and can do it on reaction. So using SC2 as an example, I'll pick a build that does decent against everything, then know how to scout and react to put myself at least even against anything. That usually involves scouting very early (8-10, depending on race/map distances etc). Can't really help much with this particular instance because there's no replays, but at least try the technique out, works for some doesn't for others.
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On August 12 2010 01:42 Helios.Star wrote: Why? It happens when I havent seen it in about 300 games. I get what you mean with this, but try to avoid that mentality altogether against cheese.
It's way too easy to say 'I lost, but it was X' - once you start excusing losses, you don't ever try to fix the mistakes you made. I know I lost 50% of my PvZs when I was around D/D+ in BW to speedlings/2 hatch hydras until I finally accepted that it was part of the game and practiced heavily to beat those builds.
Get a friend to cheese you brutally until you're confident at holding all kinds off and moving on to take the game, and you'll get to appreciate the free wins that lackluster all-in players hand you.
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1: Look at replays and figure out how to win//be prepared for cheese. 2: Always be aware of the possibility of cheese in a ladder game before scouting. 3: Be thankful for all the free wins you get.
You can't treat sc2 like theres its some luck game, where if you get cheesed and lose its not your fault.
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I feel you man, I was so pissed last night after some team games that I literally rage quit SC and went on to play other games. This game can infuriate you! We keep coming back for more though lol.
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LOL! You broke your stuff =D
1- Play better 2- Stop losing to cheese 3- Profit (Through not having to purchase new peripherals)
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dude i hit my keyboard really hard when I lose a PvP to proxy 2 gate or something and the kid bms me
FUCK
i know how you feel
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Dude I feel sorry for ya man. Happened to me too last night >.>Was cheesed 6 out of 8 times. Lost 3 of those cheeses against me. And the sad thing is that I didn't expect it from them. It was on a 4 player map and I got 6pooled twice and 6raxx reaper rushed on Kulas 2 times and 1 time on LT.
I was really pissed off but not at the cheesers but rather myself. Although the opponents were lucky (they didn't scout my base but had the most lucky guesses going straight to my base) without scouting.
I should have known better and even though I scouted (I scouted their base last position every time whereas opponent didn't scout but got lucky to find my base first) I still couldn't stop it like I normally could have. Well 40 rating lost but I made up the games after.
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