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On January 27 2012 16:24 Jerubaal wrote: What's wrong with judging people by how they dress?
I can agree with this. Clothes says what a person wants to say. I don't wear fashionable clothes, first hint when somebody meets me. They basically work as an armour if you choose to wear certain styles as people won't walk up and talk to you due to the simple clothe clue.
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How I feel about it:
+ Show Spoiler +Hope it doesn't count as image macro, I made it for this thread. Didn't feel like chatting.
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On January 27 2012 16:24 Jerubaal wrote: What's wrong with judging people by how they dress?
Absolutely nothing. If you treat somebody badly because of how they dress however is a different story and a lot of people don't separate those two things sadly.
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On January 27 2012 16:55 airen wrote:How I feel about it: + Show Spoiler +Hope it doesn't count as image macro, I made it for this thread. Didn't feel like chatting. i hate to say it but that looks kind of like a certain female body part. it's interesting there's bliss, and agony there....could make up something comical but i dont feel like it
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As long as you care what other people think you're no different from those who annoy you for being "fake". They are fake because they are afraid of people's judgement. The only way to be yourself is to not give a flying fuck, and that also liberates you from being depressed by the way others act.
Yes, the majority of people are retarded, especially teenagers. Nothing new here that's why democracy doesn't work.
Your way out of this is embracing whoever you are, finding the stuff that you love and doing it, becoming really good at it and voila, your life now has meaning. Stop thinking about others and start thinking about yourself
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Just wait until you learn about world politics and the true nature of religion.
Life is shitty. Really, really shitty. This is why you have to find friends, love, and hobbies, so you can carve your own little piece of sanity out.
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Lol. Some of the responses miss the mark completely. I can relate to the way you are thinking. I have thought similar things, however my approach was less negative than yours. And that is what the problem is, the negative association with what you have come to realize... Here's the thing. Humans are animals. You know this, we are brought into this world each with different sets of rules, morals, intellect, so on and so forth. Your emotional intellect is far higher than the average for your presumably young age. The average person is the person you describe, dress to fit in, act to fit in, their life revolves around the lives around them. As you would have learned in psychology (this doesn't need explaining because you already know) humans and all other beings are confined to the notion of survival of the fittest. Modern 'survival of the fittest' is what you describe - people trying to fit in, so desperately to feel a part of something. This is something you need to acknowledge and get used to.
I agree with everything you say. What you say is right. We are, in a way, puppets of this world - 'nature' itself, we do not control who our parents are, the morals they impose, we do not control our physical appearance, we - by this argument have not ever and do not control our own thoughts. For years I believed that everything is predetermined in a way. I cannot control the future, because the past determines today, and today determines the future. To put this into perspective, I am not strictly speaking about actions, I am talking about the way we think. If I decide to study hard, yes I 'want' to study hard, but why? I may have been taught as a child that studying is important. I may have been guilt tripped into studying. For whatever reason, the studying was inevitable. Through years of experiences - experiences we may recognize or not, have been stepping stones to EVERY SINGLE DECISION we make today. Everything that has happened, effects what WILL happen, the way we feel and think, respond and learn etc etc.
But then I realized I have SOME level of control. I CAN do whatever I want, within the limitations of what I have experienced and learned. While I don't have FULL control, the 'free will' (as its so commonly described) that I have empowers me to make good and bad decisions. You can kill yourself, but I don't think you want to. It's just the emotion of feeling helpless, one that you have grossly exaggerated, yet still being correct fundamentally.
My advice is that you need to acknowledge we are all puppets. However, we have some control to pull the strings in a direction that we desire (and yes, these desires have also been constructed over years of experience).
You have a greater understanding of the way this world works. And it can be cruel, but it can also be wonderful. Life is about perception, and your perception is clouded by emotions. The people around you don't realize their actions because they have not had the opportunity to learn why they behave the way they do. And, unfortunately you cannot blame them for it, nor pity them, for this is just the way the world is. There are lots of people that think the way you do. But this is not something that people are open to discuss, because it threatens their 'survival'. You are best to accept the way this world is, and get the most out of it. The only reason I have to live is to be happy. I may not be happy today, or tomorrow, but I will stick around because you never know what will happen. Conclusions about the future are the most irrational and idiotic mistakes a man can make.
Also wanted to note that there is much more to people than face value - the way they dress, act around crowds. I am not afraid to judge someone based on their appearance, because I am open to being wrong. Assumptions (lots of wrong ones) will be made, and you shouldn't be so hard on yourself when you make them. People are, for the most part the way you expect, however sometimes you are surprised, and it is extremely refreshing.
good luck yo, cheer up, pm me if u want to discuss further
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On January 27 2012 15:44 Axe.ZerG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 15:40 Rollin wrote:On January 27 2012 14:33 Endymion wrote: It only gets worse as you get older, you might as well embrace ignorance and remake your own corner of the world and hope that it catches on. This. I feel your pain OP, but there is little you can do. Sometimes it's better not to think, as the majority of the population is to stupid to do it themselves, and there is little the enlightened few can do about it. The less you think about these things, and the more you surrender to ignorance, the happier you are. At least, that's my experience, but I'm sure yours will be similar. This is the kind of thing I want to hear. I find it interesting that people post in this thread and insult me by calling me a youngster who knows nothing. I simply want to know if we live in a society where ignorance is bliss and can't be avoided, but it is something I have to accept. If this is true, I will start living a fake life like everyone else. Everything will be a lie, but I will be happy, right? Basically this. But only if you can manage to ignore. If you can, lucky you! I have been thinking about this a lot and in my opinion without ignorance you will never reach happiness. Try it out, think about all the shit that's going on in this world (in this very second!) and tell me that you can still be happy... it just doesn't work (maybe if you're totally apathetic)
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You really need to relax and get some friends.
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On January 27 2012 15:44 Axe.ZerG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 15:40 Rollin wrote:On January 27 2012 14:33 Endymion wrote: It only gets worse as you get older, you might as well embrace ignorance and remake your own corner of the world and hope that it catches on. This. I feel your pain OP, but there is little you can do. Sometimes it's better not to think, as the majority of the population is to stupid to do it themselves, and there is little the enlightened few can do about it. The less you think about these things, and the more you surrender to ignorance, the happier you are. At least, that's my experience, but I'm sure yours will be similar. This is the kind of thing I want to hear. I find it interesting that people post in this thread and insult me by calling me a youngster who knows nothing. I simply want to know if we live in a society where ignorance is bliss and can't be avoided, but it is something I have to accept. If this is true, I will start living a fake life like everyone else. Everything will be a lie, but I will be happy, right? I don't think you should take Rollin's advice since it just gives you the illusion that you're somehow more special compared to the majority just because you think you're more smarter than them. You can live in a society happy without having to live a fake life. I am not going to lie that you will be in situations where you do have to just go with the way society is. It is true that there are a lot of factors that you have no control over but you do have control over some and lying to yourself that you don't is just making excuses. It is not wrong to think and you can think and still be happy. Just there is incorrect thinking that leads you nowhere because you're just running around in circles in your head. My first advice is drop the mindset that you somehow can see something that others can't and also don't judge the whole population just by the world you live in right now.
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The fact is, he can see things others can't. That doesn't mean its worth being arrogant about. No it doesn't even make you 'smarter' than them. I would call it a higher emotional intelligence, but walking around thinking what people have to say isn't worth listening to will get you nowhere. You'll just feel more alone.
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I was exactly like this for a few years too... then I realized something
"Ignorance is bliss, but knowledge is power."
It's something someone said to me a long time ago, but I only understood it recently. Only when you understand these things can you do something worthwhile in life, what that is up to you to decide.
Also, about the "no control" part... your brain IS you and no one else... the feeling comes about because your brain is modular and not all parts are self-aware, but that doesn't mean that something else is controlling you or something.
Hope that makes sense lol.
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Lol now that you're through the looking glass, don't go waving it around. Use it to your advantage.
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Just accept that most people are stupid and will make decisions that goes against their well being. Just learn to exploit it knowing that you know "better". Even though it can be real frustrating to live in this world try to take advantage over the fact that you think things through instead of just doing what society tells you and make your own little reality that doesn't care all that much about the other people because you will never be rid of them.
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On January 27 2012 16:09 TheNessman wrote: You will be a good anarchist.
You should read "what anarchism really stands for" by emma goldman and "mutaual aid" by kerpotkin.
I read these and became an anarchist, it helped that I liked questioning things. it made me a lot happier i think..
actually how old are you because maybe this isn't the best idea.
In addition, if you really want to explore anarchy, goto www.freedomainradio.com and listen to the radio show FreeTalkLive.
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I wanted to be one of the few that gives you a bit of hope. In high school and in some parts of university people generally act on impulses like you say; trying to fit in, make the jokes, wear nice clothes, have the latest gadgets etc.
But its absolutely wrong to think that everyone continues to live that kind of life as they get older, or that people in general are only those types because they're genetically designed that way. Some people get tired of acting that way and instead try to find a better way to live - where they do what they are truly passionate about, being more independent and making friends with people who are truly interesting and intelligent.
There are definitely those kinds of people out there, I've met them in university, and its a breath of fresh air. I'm pretty sure there are a few in high school too. It is difficult because social status is important to everybody at that time, without which you're basically ostracized from the main groups. But eventually people stop being so egotistical and focused on fitting in, and just start being themselves and exploring things without acting like sheep so much.
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Err, sorry if I came across as arrogant in my first post guys. I didn't mean to imply that these kind of thoughts implied you are more intelligent than the rest of the population, I have met people more intelligent (as a gross measure) than I who are so much more inwardly seeking and self-serving, that I have little doubt they have ever really considered some of the issues the OP raises to the same depth. What I was trying to point out is that few actually care about who they do not interact with, and this is the first step to obtaining a more philosophical viewpoint in my opinion.
The OP's thoughts seem to be centered on human depravity, the inherent self promotion instinct held in high regard and encouraged by most Western societies, and he (appears to) challenge this idealism with the question: why? What is there to gain from this?
It's not intelligence per se, but more the markings of a deeper thinking philosophical mind. There is a certain selflessness, or perhaps, as in my case, more a case of self-loathing required to effectively think through these things. I detest the basic instincts which form the human nature. To enjoy your life, regardless of the cost. This, I think, is the singular most depressing realization I have ever made. In fact, to aid others is almost as self serving as to use them for the furtherment of your happiness, as in aiding them, you subtly bring yourself happiness too. In this then, there is no true selflessness. By our own nature, everything we do is self-serving.
Like the OP, I also loathe the way I am quick to judge on first appearance, but I keep whichever judgements I make to myself. The times I have spoken to others on the topic, they say don't judge others at all. I find this extremely hard to believe, which makes me think they are either lying, or they haven't even noticed it. However, subconscious judging on first appearance is important. It allows your brain to quickly decide how you will first interact with the person, whether or not you actually want to interact with the person, and forms a subconscious template for you if you decide to initiate (or they do) contact. What is more damaging I think is continuing to judge people after you first contact them based upon their appearance or manner, as opposed to what they say or their ideals.
As a word of advice, don't begin to think that others deserve something more or less than you do. This is a precursor to possible self-righteousness or self-loathing, and your comment about a child in Africa being more 'deserving' of a what is generally considered a better lot in life can become quite mentally damaging if you truly believe it.
Also, why do you consider ignorance a lie? If you feel you are living a lie, you haven't truly embraced ignorance, and are retaining your old viewpoints and ideals. Once you reach the point of perfect ignorance (theoretically) you will have no qualms whatsoever, and all of this will be forgotten. It will be a life perfectly free of thoughts of well-being of others, and solely self-focused.
And with your last paragraph OP, I personally feel you have taken it a little to far. People aren't 'robotic' in nature, whilst I see your point, it doesn't really matter. Your comment about "what their brain has planned for them" is trivial, the question of predestiny is irrelevant so long as it is not foretold. I can explain this further if you so desire, but if you think about it, you should come to the same conclusion yourself if you have a sharp mind.
This post has re-raised deep issues I wish I could bury forever and leave behind. I both thank you and dislike you for reminding me of them, as I have tried to choose the path of ignorance as opposed to self-enlightenment. And as another word of warning, this sort of deep introspection is often associated with depression, as well as bitterness and possibly to a lesser extent cynicism, later in life.
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