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On July 15 2010 07:42 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:Bisu lost to SeCret. Yeah that SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu. Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump. Eh, let him have his fun. Oh, and by the way, Movie lost to herb. Yeah that herb.
No he didn't?http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/573_herb/games
Am I missing something here?
Edit:I was looking in all leagues and it still slipped right past me...
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On July 15 2010 08:14 Spyfire242 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 07:42 moopie wrote:On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:Bisu lost to SeCret. Yeah that SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu. Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump. Eh, let him have his fun. Oh, and by the way, Movie lost to herb. Yeah that herb. No he didn't?http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/573_herb/games Am I missing something here? ur missing the game where movie lost to herb
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SKT vs CJ, that is the true final to me. Whoever wins, the rest will just be a formality.
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After reading this thread, I will reaffirm my support for 'anyone not named CJ or SKT'. Fans from both teams really know how to nurture anti-fans, that's for sure.
+ Show Spoiler +Still a huge fan of Iris and Movie, though.
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On July 15 2010 07:38 renzy wrote: I would not include Hydra in the calculations. He lost to Best. Seriously...Best...PvZ. His fluky individual league performances will end int he RO16... Yes Hydra lost to Best, but Hydra also won him. And if Hydra is able to beat a player that will play in playoffs why Hydra shouldn't be included in calculations?
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CJ hasn't been a team with depth for seasons+ now. They don't even have a decent #2 or #3... CJ's post... is toast! T1 will dominate or lose to KT. Maybe Wemade brings the fiya... i dunno... that'd be pretty crazy and cool... but CJ and MBC are the weakest looking teams going into post season imo.
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On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:Bisu lost to SeCret. Yeah that SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu. Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump.
Well, it's a good thing Bisu has already unslumped recently!
he also lost to stats in the osl prelims ro36 seeding tourney thing, but i guess that's not really a real match so w/e
+ Show Spoiler +I actually like Bisu but to think his PvP is stable right now is a joke. Less fanboying please.
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How is effort auto-win against any of the skt zergs? miracle scourge boy legitly beat both calm and jaedong recently, and his game against effort in the msl was hardly one-sided.
And hyuk may be on a 4 loss streak in proleague right now, but he's known as a zvz sniper for a reason. I wouldn't say he's favoured against effort, but to say the guy who beat jaedong in last year's final on the highest stage has zero chance is ridiculous.
Soo is terrible, yeah. He could probably cheesy all-in one of the tosses, though.
(Nevermind, my SKT banner probably invalidates all my arguments.)
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On July 15 2010 08:44 Vanka wrote: How is effort auto-win against any of the skt zergs? miracle scourge boy legitly beat both calm and jaedong recently, and his game against effort in the msl was hardly one-sided.
And hyuk may be on a 4 loss streak in proleague right now, but he's known as a zvz sniper for a reason. I wouldn't say he's favoured against effort, but to say the guy who beat jaedong in last year's final on the highest stage has zero chance is ridiculous.
Soo is terrible, yeah. He could probably cheesy all-in one of the tosses, though.
(Nevermind, my SKT banner probably invalidates all my arguments.)
Honestly, I think it's more likely that SKT will field Canata instead of Soo. After all, they game him the MVP and he actually won a game so he might be able to help a bit more than Soo, who has been failing his latest games.
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On July 15 2010 08:32 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:Bisu lost to SeCret. Yeah that SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu. Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump. Well, it's a good thing Bisu has already unslumped recently! he also lost to stats in the osl prelims ro36 seeding tourney thing, but i guess that's not really a real match so w/e + Show Spoiler +I actually like Bisu but to think his PvP is stable right now is a joke. Less fanboying please.
If I recall correctly, Bisu started playing again vs much. He was still not confident then. Pusan had a BO advantage against Bisu as he contained Bisu for a bit. But, Bisu played like crap that game. The game against Tempest was a pure BO loss--> 3 gate goons vs 1 gate DT expand. Bisu's ability to overcome BO before was godly, but you can't overcome DTs with dragoons without observers or cannons. Plus, those two games, Bisu was not confident at all. As I recall, during the MSl group selection, he was scared of a strong group and cared about who he played. But after beating Jaedongin proleague and Calm in the MSL to advance to RO16, he said in his interview that he's got no preference of who to play anymore. That shows that he's in much better shape now than he is when he first finished his "special training", meaning his PvP record is going to improve. Afterall, only a confident Bisu is strong, and he's really confident right now.
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On July 15 2010 08:32 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:Bisu lost to SeCret. Yeah that SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu. Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump. Well, it's a good thing Bisu has already unslumped recently! he also lost to stats in the osl prelims ro36 seeding tourney thing, but i guess that's not really a real match so w/e + Show Spoiler +I actually like Bisu but to think his PvP is stable right now is a joke. Less fanboying please.
That record is NOT a good indication of Bisu's current PvP form. The losses prior to Bisu v.s. Pusan occurred during the period of Bisu's slump.
And Bisu v.s. Tempest serves as a horrible example. Tempest had the biggest BO advantage possible over Bisu. Not to mention that it was likely that Bisu was sent on the fourth set to fight against Flash, not Tempest.
Although Bisu's loss to Pusan is inexcusable as Pusan simply outplayed Bisu at that time, let us keep in mind that Pusan was on a four PL game streak against Free, Movie, Really and Bisu. So Pusan is not horrible. In addition, Best showed an absolutely beautiful PvP game this week against Kal and Best claimed he is 50/50 against Bisu in practice.
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On July 15 2010 08:32 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:Bisu lost to SeCret. Yeah that SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu. Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump. Well, it's a good thing Bisu has already unslumped recently! he also lost to stats in the osl prelims ro36 seeding tourney thing, but i guess that's not really a real match so w/e + Show Spoiler +I actually like Bisu but to think his PvP is stable right now is a joke. Less fanboying please.
Have you seen how bad Movie and Snow are at pvp, slumping or not Bisu's pvp will be more than enough. Maybe he'll bitch slap Snow around on heartbreak ridge with proxy gates again.
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omfg paul you stupid taco
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On July 15 2010 05:25 Roffles wrote:He's good enough to make s2 look like Jaedong.
Yeah, and the 2 times he faced OZ he was good enough to make Jaedong look like S2.
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On July 15 2010 09:24 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 05:25 Roffles wrote:On July 15 2010 05:01 dcberkeley wrote:It really depends if the Bonjwa will play or not. + Show Spoiler + He's good enough to make s2 look like Jaedong. Yeah, and the 2 times he faced OZ he was good enough to make Jaedong look like S2. Hmm, what about those other 2 times? What about that MSL Survivor group? =D
I like it though. Selective memory ftw.
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I don't think CJ has the depth to deal with SKT, Wemade, or STX if they stop failing. So pumped for playoffs
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On July 15 2010 09:26 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 09:24 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 15 2010 05:25 Roffles wrote:On July 15 2010 05:01 dcberkeley wrote:It really depends if the Bonjwa will play or not. + Show Spoiler + He's good enough to make s2 look like Jaedong. Yeah, and the 2 times he faced OZ he was good enough to make Jaedong look like S2. Hmm, what about those other 2 times? What about that MSL Survivor group? =D I like it though. Selective memory ftw.
You are seriously comparing a MSL survivor group vs the Winner's League finals?
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On July 15 2010 09:37 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 09:26 Roffles wrote:On July 15 2010 09:24 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 15 2010 05:25 Roffles wrote:On July 15 2010 05:01 dcberkeley wrote:It really depends if the Bonjwa will play or not. + Show Spoiler + He's good enough to make s2 look like Jaedong. Yeah, and the 2 times he faced OZ he was good enough to make Jaedong look like S2. Hmm, what about those other 2 times? What about that MSL Survivor group? =D I like it though. Selective memory ftw. You are seriously comparing a MSL survivor group vs the Winner's League finals?
come on that was a 4 pool...
cant we all just get along ^^
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On July 15 2010 09:39 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 09:37 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 15 2010 09:26 Roffles wrote:On July 15 2010 09:24 IntoTheWow wrote:On July 15 2010 05:25 Roffles wrote:On July 15 2010 05:01 dcberkeley wrote:It really depends if the Bonjwa will play or not. + Show Spoiler + He's good enough to make s2 look like Jaedong. Yeah, and the 2 times he faced OZ he was good enough to make Jaedong look like S2. Hmm, what about those other 2 times? What about that MSL Survivor group? =D I like it though. Selective memory ftw. You are seriously comparing a MSL survivor group vs the Winner's League finals? come on that was a 4 pool... cant we all just get along ^^
Yes, sKyHigh used his psychic powers to make Jaedong 4 pool.
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