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yeah, boblion pretty much nailed it. but even if i weren't banned, and even if someone else were to link this blog...
[3:26:17 PM] LRM)Voltron: http://www.iccup.com/community/thread/186308.html [3:27:02 PM] Joe Kim: lol, thanks dude. it's like my farewell to iCCupCL Forum + Players [3:27:16 PM] LRM)Voltron: np man [3:27:21 PM] LRM)Voltron: now for me to read it lol [3:40:37 PM] Joe Kim: lol it got deleted so fast [3:41:06 PM] LRM)Voltron: lol funny [3:41:10 PM] LRM)Voltron: want me to repost it ? [3:41:21 PM] Joe Kim: were u given a PM? [3:41:25 PM] LRM)Voltron: lets see [3:41:42 PM] LRM)Voltron: O_oops! It seems that you are banned by admin iccup.geckoxp. Your ban expires: 19 Jan 2038 @ 04:14 CET Ban reason: dead [3:41:55 PM] Joe Kim: oh shit, seriously? [3:42:15 PM] LRM)Voltron: damn now i cant read icccup site anymore lol oh well
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On June 04 2011 08:34 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 08:30 SnowFantasy wrote: Honestly, I don't understand why this shit is on teamliquid. ICCup business should be posted on iccup imo. Maybe I only see it this way because personally, I don't really care. Well he is banned from Iccup and since it is related to foreign bw i don't understand why it shouldn't be posted on TL. Also if you don't care why are you posting lol.
Why not post everything from ICCup BW on teamliquid?
Announce the motw changes on teamliquid. Announce the ladder rule changes on teamliquid. Observer over turret bug was made illegal again. Lets post the ladder results from last season on ICCup too.
I mean it makes sense. They are related to foreign bw. Why shouldn't these things be posted on teamliquid?
Being banned from ICCup doesn't mean this should be posted on teamliquid instead. -_-
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JoeKim you are an awesome guy but what you did was wrong. I stand by and support the ICCup Admins. Further more vTv could NOT have been promised such things because vTv was created on April 4th, 2011 - NOT in 2010. Thus you need to get your facts straight.
Proof:
Please stop lieing...
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@ Tesla, you are misinformed. you do not know what you're talking about. before the current Clan League Season started, vTv was promised a higher slot if any teams in Division B dropped out.
Conversation with iCCup.Supreme on 5/14/2011 10:20:29 PM (10:20:29 PM) iCCup.Supreme: sorry (10:28:06 PM) iCCup.Supreme: your right (10:28:11 PM) iCCup.Supreme: this messer is messing the admin team (10:37:36 PM) Joe: are u here? (10:37:40 PM) iCCup.Supreme: ㅛ데 (10:37:41 PM) iCCup.Supreme: yep (10:37:44 PM) iCCup.Supreme: this is a joke (10:37:45 PM) iCCup.Supreme: LUL (10:37:45 PM) Joe: how is it going? (10:37:48 PM) iCCup.Supreme: im FA now (10:37:56 PM) Joe: hahah (10:38:04 PM) Joe: who's SA? (10:38:09 PM) iCCup.Supreme: and im going to write something for Cheloman (10:38:12 PM) iCCup.Supreme: or any other HA (10:38:16 PM) iCCup.Supreme: no one (10:38:29 PM) iCCup.Supreme: he posted a thread for New SA thing (10:38:34 PM) iCCup.Supreme: if any FA wants to become HA (10:38:37 PM) iCCup.Supreme: pm him (10:38:37 PM) iCCup.Supreme: LUL (10:38:40 PM) iCCup.Supreme: and honestly (10:38:46 PM) iCCup.Supreme: THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING (10:38:52 PM) iCCup.Supreme: even i dont know everything (10:38:54 PM) iCCup.Supreme: lul (10:39:01 PM) iCCup.Supreme: and hes going pick from one of them (10:39:04 PM) iCCup.Supreme: great news (10:39:57 PM) Joe: wait there is no SA for CL? (10:41:40 PM) Joe: who will replace you? (10:44:01 PM) iCCup.Supreme: Scythe is best i think
Conversation with iCCup.Supreme on 5/30/2011 7:20:55 PM (7:20:55 PM) iCCup.Supreme: yeah joe (7:20:56 PM) iCCup.Supreme: im here (7:21:36 PM) Joe: could you PM yelloAnt as well as CL SA that vTv was promised to replace any Teams that drop out in the higher Dvisions? (7:22:12 PM) iCCup.Supreme: k i will (7:22:18 PM) Joe: thanks
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On June 04 2011 09:04 JoeKim wrote:@ Tesla, you are misinformed. you do not know what you're talking about. before the current Clan League Season started, vTv was promised a higher slot if any teams in Division B dropped out. Show nested quote +Conversation with iCCup.Supreme on 5/14/2011 10:20:29 PM (10:20:29 PM) iCCup.Supreme: sorry (10:28:06 PM) iCCup.Supreme: your right (10:28:11 PM) iCCup.Supreme: this messer is messing the admin team (10:37:36 PM) Joe: are u here? (10:37:40 PM) iCCup.Supreme: ㅛ데 (10:37:41 PM) iCCup.Supreme: yep (10:37:44 PM) iCCup.Supreme: this is a joke (10:37:45 PM) iCCup.Supreme: LUL (10:37:45 PM) Joe: how is it going? (10:37:48 PM) iCCup.Supreme: im FA now (10:37:56 PM) Joe: hahah (10:38:04 PM) Joe: who's SA? (10:38:09 PM) iCCup.Supreme: and im going to write something for Cheloman (10:38:12 PM) iCCup.Supreme: or any other HA (10:38:16 PM) iCCup.Supreme: no one (10:38:29 PM) iCCup.Supreme: he posted a thread for New SA thing (10:38:34 PM) iCCup.Supreme: if any FA wants to become HA (10:38:37 PM) iCCup.Supreme: pm him (10:38:37 PM) iCCup.Supreme: LUL (10:38:40 PM) iCCup.Supreme: and honestly (10:38:46 PM) iCCup.Supreme: THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW ANYTHING (10:38:52 PM) iCCup.Supreme: even i dont know everything (10:38:54 PM) iCCup.Supreme: lul (10:39:01 PM) iCCup.Supreme: and hes going pick from one of them (10:39:04 PM) iCCup.Supreme: great news (10:39:57 PM) Joe: wait there is no SA for CL? (10:41:40 PM) Joe: who will replace you? (10:44:01 PM) iCCup.Supreme: Scythe is best i think Show nested quote +Conversation with iCCup.Supreme on 5/30/2011 7:20:55 PM (7:20:55 PM) iCCup.Supreme: yeah joe (7:20:56 PM) iCCup.Supreme: im here (7:21:36 PM) Joe: could you PM yelloAnt as well as CL SA that vTv was promised to replace any Teams that drop out in the higher Dvisions? (7:22:12 PM) iCCup.Supreme: k i will (7:22:18 PM) Joe: thanks
JoeKim regardless of what you think you had been promised, Supreme did not last. You should have followed it up. The fact that you took matters into your own hands SCREWED vTv out of getting that position now, no matter what - Unless we can work our way there. What you did was CLEAR VIOLATION of ICCup Rules. It was also CLEAR ABUSE! How can you try to point this on other admins when this is something you did! You of all people, as a previous admin SHOULD know better! Further more, I'm sorry if you feel I am misinformed but the promises..I cant believe that. That would be favoritism. ICCup avoids favoritism. I know this from my history with ICCup. So please stop all this!
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On June 04 2011 09:09 ICCup.Tesla wrote: The fact that you took matters into your own hands SCREWED vTv out of getting that position now, no matter what - Unless we can work our way there. you have no conception of iCCupCL and you're oblivious to what's going on. look, nothing happened to vTv and everything was restored. i was punished for my actions and that has no toll on vTv besides tainting the reputation. a reputation that you have no inclination towards until i pressured you recently into it with the Channel Bot; so that i could get my Windows korean script running and interact with the members in korean. for you to say that i screwed the team out of getting that position is completely false since the points sustain and the Top Division Teams advance at the end of the season. you also probably didn't notice that this "favoritism" has happened every season, since every season teams drop out and other teams couldn't qualify (reserves). your history with iCCup has no remnants of Clan League whatsoever.
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On June 04 2011 09:17 JoeKim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 09:09 ICCup.Tesla wrote: The fact that you took matters into your own hands SCREWED vTv out of getting that position now, no matter what - Unless we can work our way there. you have no conception of iCCupCL and you're oblivious to what's going on. look, nothing happened to vTv and everything was restored. i was punished for my actions and that has no toll on vTv besides tainting the reputation. a reputation that you have no inclination towards until i pressured you recently into it with the Channel Bot; so that i could get my Windows korean script running and interact with the members in korean. for you to say that i screwed the team out of getting that position is completely false since the points sustain and the Top Division Teams advance at the end of the season. you also probably didn't notice that this "favoritism" has happened every season, since every season teams drop out and other teams couldn't qualify (reserves). your history with iCCup has no remnants of Clan League whatsoever.
You NEVER asked me for any real help up until the bot. If you had said "Tesla I need help with this" I would have done my best to be there! Same as I did with the vTv invitational. I'll admit I don't play BW much or even very often but really are something else to try to say I had no inclination toward the team. If I didn't care about the team I would not have joined. I would have helped you picked the name and say good luck. I expected you to tell me when you needed help. You could have ASKED me how to run stealth bot when having your pc in Korean script, but you didnt ask that. Until recently you simply asked or damn near demanded that I run the bot, making yourself a bit of a pest. You want to throw down about this, we can.
As for everything being restored - That is not the problem. The problem is members of the team looked to you for help! They looked for you to set an example and people when they think of vTv thought of members like you! You really have made vTv look bad and made me stress out having to explain everything to the members, get them back into the team, fix things up, and then have to constantly explain to people on the server why your stupid ass got banned off ICCup for good! As for previous favoritism or whatever else, show the proof or stop it. Also - For someone who accuses others of abuse of powers and failing to be good admins - Why is it that you are trying to ENCOURAGE the abuse? Lets start there!
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I have not seen a log yet of this "promise" unless I've skipped over it. Although I don't that it is relevant now.
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@ Tesla do you have trouble reading? go back to the OP. numerous teams were replaced.
bit of a pest? i just gave you simple instructions to get a bot up and i asked you a couple of times "where is the bot?" i am very discreet with you and usually end up gaming after i tell you to do something.
you didn't have to explain jack shit. all of our members have me on various messengers outside of iCCup. all you had to do was say "ask JoeKim." hell, you could have just set the greet message for the channel as "JoeKim was banned, message him if you care to know why."
@ Jeremy it's in the post with the quoted conversation with iCCup.Supreme and also, if you recall...you were pleading me to get [AoV] back in iCCupCL
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On June 04 2011 09:36 JoeKim wrote:@ Tesla do you have trouble reading? go back to the OP. numerous teams were replaced. bit of a pest? i just gave you simple instructions to get a bot up and i asked you a couple of times "where is the bot?" i am very discreet with you and usually end up gaming after i tell you to do something. you didn't have to explain jack shit. all of our members have me on various messengers outside of iCCup. all you had to do was say "ask JoeKim." hell, you could have just set the greet message for the channel as "JoeKim was banned, message him if you care to know why." @ Jeremy it's in the post with the quoted conversation with iCCup.Supreme and also, if you recall...you were pleading me to get [AoV] back in iCCupCL
I never asked what I did, I know what I've done. I don't recall it "pleading" though, just asked.
Edit: (7:21:36 PM) Joe: could you PM yelloAnt as well as CL SA that vTv was promised to replace any Teams that drop out in the higher Dvisions?
From this I understand here that you say you were promised to replace teams. Not anyone actually promising you a spot.
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On June 04 2011 09:36 JoeKim wrote:@ Tesla do you have trouble reading? go back to the OP. numerous teams were replaced. bit of a pest? i just gave you simple instructions to get a bot up and i asked you a couple of times "where is the bot?" i am very discreet with you and usually end up gaming after i tell you to do something. you didn't have to explain jack shit. all of our members have me on various messengers outside of iCCup. all you had to do was say "ask JoeKim." hell, you could have just set the greet message for the channel as "JoeKim was banned, message him if you care to know why." @ Jeremy it's in the post with the quoted conversation with iCCup.Supreme and also, if you recall...you were pleading me to get [AoV] back in iCCupCL
Saying the logs or claiming that things have happened doesnt prove favoritism. Unless you have CLEAR proof you should stop saying that. Further more you kept msging me about it and pestering me about getting a bot setup for the team cause you couldnt keep running it. I told you the situation my pc is in but I would try anyhow and it took how many days for me to get hold of you once I had my own bot back up and running?
Further more if it were that easy for members to get hold of you - why is it that hours after the situation you still hadnt responded in the facebook chat but you had been posting stuff on the front of your facebook? Clearly some of the members feel betrayed by you. You still have YET to answer why it is that you can get away with accusing others of abusing admin power and then you think you have the right to ENCOURAGE people to abuse the powers. Any statement towards that JoeKim?
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On June 04 2011 09:44 ICCup.Tesla wrote: Saying the logs or claiming that things have happened doesnt prove favoritism. Unless you have CLEAR proof you should stop saying that. Further more you kept msging me about it and pestering me about getting a bot setup for the team cause you couldnt keep running it. I told you the situation my pc is in but I would try anyhow and it took how many days for me to get hold of you once I had my own bot back up and running?
Further more if it were that easy for members to get hold of you - why is it that hours after the situation you still hadnt responded in the facebook chat but you had been posting stuff on the front of your facebook? Clearly some of the members feel betrayed by you. You still have YET to answer why it is that you can get away with accusing others of abusing admin power and then you think you have the right to ENCOURAGE people to abuse the powers. Any statement towards that JoeKim?
are you kidding me? did you ever notice my iCCup profile? "afk 24/7" or "i play once a week"? for starters, guess what? i have a busy life during the week, or else i'd be Streaming League of Legends for 10+ hours daily and posting blogs about girls named Molly. another thing, it's called Facebook Mobile so if you're referring to the vTv FB Chat i never gotten it, especially since i'm removed and it's set as private. there is no betrayal, because there's no intention of backstabbing or hurting vTv involved. you can already tell who has more pride in vTv in this blog alone. basics such as my signature and your screenshots with vTv's Team Page set as my status. you have the audacity to say that i would try to hurt something i've worked my ass off for? i know you have your dumbass moments but jesus christ, find the damn logic there.
and i am not dodging your question of abuse. you're just tugging for redundancy if anything. i never cited that i encourage abuse. i pointed out flaws and took matters into my own hands. if i was an Admin, it would have been acceptable. however i was not, so i was punished.
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However, my heart was still with iCCupCL. iCCup.Supreme was completely oblivious to the whole thing. He went from baby steps to a man under my guidance. I had to teach him from The Basics to How to handle playoffs. For those of the teams that were in the playoffs (LRM, Nb, FR, iFU) you guys probably didn't know that Supreme wasn't going to show up. Which was the reason why I was there moderating until I grabbed Supreme to come online. iCCupCL was pretty much going to be entirely handled through Forums. If you are an experienced CL player, you know that that would be fucking ridiculous. Therefore, I clenched my teeth and smurfed as Supreme just to help out again. i definately agree with this, he taught me everything he knew and as a CL Admin he guided me every single steps. and i'm really disappointed these incident happened
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On June 04 2011 07:43 Game wrote: I really wonder which will happen first, A) Nina, Geckoxp, cheloman, or Messer comes in to give their view of the world from when they look down at it B) A teamliquid MOD will shut this down to prevent drama - since they shut down iCCup's rant within a day (IntoTheWow)
With that said, I think this one has more basis for being a "blog" than iCCup's blog persay, and could get much better results even though it has a very similar premise. Actually... that's only in theory, enough people dislike JoeKim to derail this quickly.
Also Funnytoss, I agree. iCCup is great for people who have no vested interest in the actions of the staff, which is actually like 70% of the server, so under that philosophy, iCCup is great.
I apologize, I was busy today. I don't look down at the world, though. I just wish you'd stop with this vendetta against iCCup, but you seem unwilling to do so. When I became Super Admin, I even reached out to you to help you out on a couple different occasions. But not even days later, you decided to ban me from Sayle's stream chat for nothing.
Do I agree with everything Messer does? Hell no. I just do my job in my section the best that I can. I'm sorry if I'm not being arrogant enough for you to go "AHA, YOU ALL ARE MEGALOMANIACS" but that's just the truth. I don't care for Joekim's attitude personally, because he almost always condescending to the admins in the admin channel, but that's moot. There's no rule against bad attitudes, but I never thought Joekim would do something like this. Honestly, I couldn't believe he would do something so abusive out of spite, and then on top of that, try to justify it by saying that "Messer is the most abusive admin ever". At least he could have the class to say something more along the lines of "I apologize for what I did wrong on my end, but screw Messer" and at least there would be an apology.
But no, he abused, and it was wrong and he's not sorry, end of story.
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On June 04 2011 09:44 JoeKim wrote:Jeremy, [AoV] was banned for have 2 forfeits. if anyone just "asked" it would be an abrupt "no." i was more lenient with your team, stating that i will uplift the ban in 1 or 2 seasons but changed my mind after our conversation. Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 09:44 ICCup.Tesla wrote: Saying the logs or claiming that things have happened doesnt prove favoritism. Unless you have CLEAR proof you should stop saying that. Further more you kept msging me about it and pestering me about getting a bot setup for the team cause you couldnt keep running it. I told you the situation my pc is in but I would try anyhow and it took how many days for me to get hold of you once I had my own bot back up and running?
Further more if it were that easy for members to get hold of you - why is it that hours after the situation you still hadnt responded in the facebook chat but you had been posting stuff on the front of your facebook? Clearly some of the members feel betrayed by you. You still have YET to answer why it is that you can get away with accusing others of abusing admin power and then you think you have the right to ENCOURAGE people to abuse the powers. Any statement towards that JoeKim? are you kidding me? did you ever notice my iCCup profile? "afk 24/7" or "i play once a week"? for starters, guess what? i have a busy life during the week, or else i'd be Streaming League of Legends for 10+ hours daily and posting blogs about girls named Molly. another thing, it's called Facebook Mobile so if you're referring to the vTv FB Chat i never gotten it, especially since i'm removed and it's set as private. there is no betrayal, because there's no intention of backstabbing or hurting vTv involved. you can already tell who has more pride in vTv in this blog alone. basics such as my signature and your screenshots with vTv's Team Page set as my status. you have the audacity to say that i would try to hurt something i've worked my ass off for? i know you have your dumbass moments but jesus christ, find the damn logic there. and i am not dodging your question of abuse. you're just tugging for redundancy if anything. i never cited that i encourage abuse. i pointed out flaws and took matters into my own hands. if i was an Admin, it would have been acceptable. however i was not, so i was punished.
Did I ever notice your ICCup Profile? Let me see - No cause I had more important things to do. We all have busy lives or situations. Further more I don't stream League of Legends for 10+ hours - if you check the stream out you will noticed that is the auto pilot. As for posting blogs it was something that needed to be posted. Since when do you care more about my personal life then you care about your own? How about you focus on the fact you are trying to point blame on others by picking at small things when it is you here, who is at fault. If you WERE on facebook mobile you had time to read the group and post then. You had hours. Only hours after everything happened did I remove your nicks from vTv and remove you from the facebook group. Also I am sure you get the emails about the notifications - If you cared that much to always keep up on what was going on in the group, so you would have received emails based on that. Tell me, did you ever explain to the concerned member why you would do that ? He seemed pretty mad you did something stupid like that. The team mates were fine with working their way up the ladder, but that wasn't good enough for you. As for who has pride, its easy for anyone to post about pride and how proud they are of stuff. Its easy to put time into a project and then say how full of pride you are, but tell me..if you were so proud of vTv why did you try to take matters into your own hands? Why didn't you remain proud of the team and just let them work the way up the ladder, same as other teams have done..To TRULY prove how kick ass they are! Why wasn't that good enough for you? Seemed good enough for the members. Yes, I have the audacity to say you did more harm then good. I have the audacity to say you CLEARLY asked for favoritism out of an admin and basically ENCOURAGED them to abuse their powers, so you could get that spot. Asking them to show favoritism is encouraging rule breaking and that is what you did.
On June 04 2011 07:15 JoeKim wrote: EDIT: One of many logs...
Conversation with yello-ant@hotmail.com at 7/7/2010 2:05:56 PM on j0ekim@hotmail.com (msn) (2:05:56 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: hey (2:06:21 PM) Joe Kim: hey (2:06:35 PM) Joe Kim: i figured out all the replacements (2:06:40 PM) Joe Kim: so it will be the last time (2:06:42 PM) Joe Kim: for this season (2:06:52 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: thats nice, but we have major issue with the maps (2:06:56 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: and we need your help (2:07:08 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: did you check my PM? (2:08:05 PM) Joe Kim: yeah (2:08:10 PM) Joe Kim: but i dont understand it (2:08:14 PM) Joe Kim: i never dealt with maps (2:08:30 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: can you please check the mapdori site if they have there new protector or unprotector (2:08:33 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: for the maps (2:08:40 PM) Joe Kim: is it in korean? (2:08:43 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: yes (2:08:43 PM) Joe Kim: i'm not fluent (2:08:53 PM) Joe Kim: you can't get a hold of Mai-K? (2:10:14 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: ill PM Mai-K then (2:10:16 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: thanks (2:14:04 PM) Joe Kim: would you be able to help me out with the clan league replacements? or are you busy (2:14:44 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: gimme the list ill make a not to the dev crew (2:14:51 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: with the clan links please (2:14:52 PM) Joe Kim: ok (2:14:56 PM) Joe Kim: clan names better? links? IDs? (2:15:06 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: full link to the clan page (2:15:11 PM) iCCup.YelloAnt: clan name and clan link (2:15:23 PM) Joe Kim: ok, that'll take me 2 min (2:21:10 PM) Joe Kim: Division A: 7even -> aFF]
Division B1: sO -> gNs.I
Division B2: Ghost -> JST- ZZZ -> sas. imba. -> ash.
That log alone shows you went above the head admin and the super admins - This is a direct violation of ICCup rules. There is a chain of command in place for a reason. Why do you feel you are special and you should get special treatment and you can just go to the project direct to fix whatever you want, the way you want it?
On June 04 2011 09:04 JoeKim wrote:Show nested quote +Conversation with iCCup.Supreme on 5/30/2011 7:20:55 PM (7:20:55 PM) iCCup.Supreme: yeah joe (7:20:56 PM) iCCup.Supreme: im here (7:21:36 PM) Joe: could you PM yelloAnt as well as CL SA that vTv was promised to replace any Teams that drop out in the higher Dvisions? (7:22:12 PM) iCCup.Supreme: k i will (7:22:18 PM) Joe: thanks
Are you not trying to encourage something from 2010? You are trying to force your team into that spot, screw the other teams that may have been waiting longer. Hmm..Sure looks like you "didn't" want to encourage any abuse, right?
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On June 04 2011 08:43 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 08:34 Boblion wrote:On June 04 2011 08:30 SnowFantasy wrote: Honestly, I don't understand why this shit is on teamliquid. ICCup business should be posted on iccup imo. Maybe I only see it this way because personally, I don't really care. Well he is banned from Iccup and since it is related to foreign bw i don't understand why it shouldn't be posted on TL. Also if you don't care why are you posting lol. Why not post everything from ICCup BW on teamliquid? Announce the motw changes on teamliquid. Announce the ladder rule changes on teamliquid. Observer over turret bug was made illegal again. Lets post the ladder results from last season on ICCup too. I mean it makes sense. They are related to foreign bw. Why shouldn't these things be posted on teamliquid? Being banned from ICCup doesn't mean this should be posted on teamliquid instead. -_- thought iccup and TL was related to each others
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On June 04 2011 10:10 Supremacy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 08:43 SnowFantasy wrote:On June 04 2011 08:34 Boblion wrote:On June 04 2011 08:30 SnowFantasy wrote: Honestly, I don't understand why this shit is on teamliquid. ICCup business should be posted on iccup imo. Maybe I only see it this way because personally, I don't really care. Well he is banned from Iccup and since it is related to foreign bw i don't understand why it shouldn't be posted on TL. Also if you don't care why are you posting lol. Why not post everything from ICCup BW on teamliquid? Announce the motw changes on teamliquid. Announce the ladder rule changes on teamliquid. Observer over turret bug was made illegal again. Lets post the ladder results from last season on ICCup too. I mean it makes sense. They are related to foreign bw. Why shouldn't these things be posted on teamliquid? Being banned from ICCup doesn't mean this should be posted on teamliquid instead. -_- thought iccup and TL was related to each others
And? Not everything on or about iccup needs to be posted on tl. There isn't a whole lot of discussion value for people not directly involved. There are only like 2-3 people really talking about this. It is basically blogs section being used as a chat room/MSN Messenger.
Anyway, looks like mods disagree. Good luck getting your issues resolved guys. I'm done. :d
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@ ninazerg, thanks for the mild-tempered post. i was expecting more flavor
who should i be apologizing to? the community? to iCCup? to Admins? the only individuals affected by my actions was my team, who i'm on Skype with. they had no involvement with what i did and the only hassle they encountered was rejoining the old vTv Team Page. it's 90% korean, so they are apathetic to forums and drama that they do not want to waste their time bothering with.
@ tesla, you seriously have email notifications to the FB Groups you're in? cuz i don't.
if you were active in the Clan League scene, you would know that the CL Admins are not fulfilling their duties as well as changing up the rules and ignoring PMs from team leaders. you would also know that iCCup.Clay was the CL SA but went IA. then in addition to that, you would notice Messer stepping in and lolligagging as usual.
i went through the chain of command but couldn't get ahold of Clay nor Supreme when i had YelloAnt in my grasp. he needed their approval to grant the requested promise. not all Teams have went from Division C to Division A. many teams were seeded and replaced before seasons started and also during mid-seasons. many banned teams were also let back into CL under "favoritism." prolonging the replacment process means that vTv would have to schedule more clan wars outside of the standard date/time. something you would have no idea on the level of difficulty. setting up 4 played weeks of CL is undesirable enough, catch the drift? and if you didn't notice, your buddy Gecko perma-banned LRM)Voltron for simply posting what i wrote here in the CL Forums as my Farewell Letter.
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On June 04 2011 10:29 JoeKim wrote:@ ninazerg, thanks for the mild-tempered post. i was expecting more flavor who should i be apologizing to? the community? to iCCup? to Admins? the only individuals affected by my actions was my team, who i'm on Skype with. they had no involvement with what i did and the only hassle they encountered was rejoining the old vTv Team Page. it's 90% korean, so they are apathetic to forums and drama that they do not want to waste their time bothering with. @ tesla, you seriously have email notifications to the FB Groups you're in? cuz i don't. if you were active in the Clan League scene, you would know that the CL Admins are not fulfilling their duties as well as changing up the rules and ignoring PMs from team leaders. you would also know that iCCup.Clay was the CL SA but went IA. then in addition to that, you would notice Messer stepping in and lolligagging as usual. i went through the chain of command but couldn't get ahold of Clay nor Supreme when i had YelloAnt in my grasp. he needed their approval to grant the requested promise. not all Teams have went from Division C to Division A. many teams were seeded and replaced before seasons started and also during mid-seasons. many banned teams were also let back into CL under "favoritism." prolonging the replacment process means that vTv would have to schedule more clan wars outside of the standard date/time. something you would have no idea on the level of difficulty. setting up 4 played weeks of CL is undesirable enough, catch the drift? and if you didn't notice, your buddy Gecko perma-banned LRM)Voltron for simply posting what i wrote here in the CL Forums as my Farewell Letter.
I get emails for EVERYTHING. I prefer it that way. It is not my fault you don't or choose not to. As for being active in the CL scene why would I be? I thought you were able to be trusted with that and following things by the book. You want to say messer isnt doing his job, you know whats funny... Gecko and Messer were both there when all this happened, you say they were doing their job... However I did get an answer within 24 hours from both of them. Messer actually cleared up this situation, gave us an exceptions to the Red X rule as well as set us all back up for CL and such. So you want to say how he's not doing job, how is that not doing it? Sure seems like he is doing alot more than causing drama and problems like you are. As for Gecko, we are not buddies. Gecko and I talk only as needed. So do not think I am friends with him. Same as he is not friends with me. However, I will NOT stand by and let someone falsely accuse others of abuse or anything else that they did not do. Especially when the person accusing them is the person who was caught abusing/breaking rules.
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@ Joekim
If you feel you've done nothing wrong, then there's no need to apologize. If I were in the same position, and I had just abused, I would apologize to my team, and to the broodwar community, saying something like "I know abusing is wrong, and I should never have done such a thing."
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