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Sableyeah
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NIJ
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On April 06 2012 10:31 Silidons wrote: cops never lose court cases. sad. Cops involved in Katrina just recently got served justice, so it happens ever so often. But not often enough. This is less grey than that, but it will probably take just as long if they need to be punished. | ||
Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:29 Wrongspeedy wrote: Calling someone a Murderer before they are guilty? Nothing sensational about that ; ) I was about about to comment on this post and say that it was wrong. Putting "murder" in the title is sensationalist. But I guess he just forgot to put /sarcasm at the end of his post. | ||
Asshat
593 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:12 Chunhyang wrote: I was about about to comment on this post and say that it was wrong. Putting "murder" in the title is sensationalist. But I guess he just forgot to put /sarcasm at the end of his post. Also adding "veteran" incites pro-military emotions that are common to americans, when the crime is just as serious whether the victim is an ex-marine or a pencil pusher. | ||
Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
Theres no proof anywhere as of yet. And no one was charged with murder so technically no one was murdered, same with the Trayvon case. | ||
FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On April 06 2012 08:22 LeeDawg wrote: white plains is about two hours from where i live. that said, i would think the news station i work for would have said something about this, but i guess not. gonna have a chat with the news director... News Stations have journalism standards - it's the same reason why CNN and ESPN choose not to report on some stories if there isn't sufficient evidence (eg. the basketball coach rape accusations). Because such stories can ruin a person's reputation and career, these stations should only report if there is sufficient evidence to suggest that a crime could have occurred. Doesn't have to be beyond reasonable doubt, but it does have to be reasonable. Not saying that reasonable evidence does or doesn't exist in this case since we don't know, but based on what I've read, no credible media company should be reporting this article because it is simply lacking evidence. It's no surprise the source is some random website and not a real news source. | ||
sevencck
Canada691 Posts
On April 06 2012 10:41 dAPhREAk wrote: you say we should have an "unbiased understanding." the op does not give us that. it doesnt really give us anything. we dont know what happened. we dont know the officer's side of the story; we havent seen (or read an article summarizing) the evidence; we know jackshit. yet, people are jumping to conclusions about the police officers involved being murderers. Indeed. The facts are that a police officer arrived at a house occupied by a man with a heart condition who has a medical alert device. That man was then tazered and then shot. The recoding device recorded taunts and racist remarks. Those facts are unbiased. Is the officer guilty of murder? No, not until he is proven of it. The fact remains, however, that a man is dead and a police officer will be charged on this basis and will have to defend his actions in a court. I'd rather the public be made aware of this now and keep an eye on how this unfolds. Why is that bad? Many people are biased and believe that people in law enforcement are heroes who are apparently incapable of doing horrible things like this. I'd rather they get a good look at it when it happens. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:42 sevencck wrote: Indeed. The facts are that a police officer arrived at a house occupied by a man with a heart condition who has a medical alert device. That man was then tazered and then shot. The recoding device recorded taunts and racist remarks. Those facts are unbiased. Is he guilty of murder? No, not until he is proven of it. The fact remains, however, that a man is dead and a police officer will be charged on this basis and will have to defend his actions in a court. I'd rather the public be made aware of this now and keep an eye on how this unfolds. Why is that bad? why was he tazered and shot? | ||
Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:19 Kojak21 wrote: What a sensationalized title Just watched the majority of this video, and from what I'm hearing, this is a very accurate title, although the Democracy Now video doesn't go into the military record of the victim very much. | ||
sevencck
Canada691 Posts
If you read my post, you'll notice that I say the police officer isn't guilty of murder until this is established. The facts remain, however, that the man was tazered and shot. And you're missing the point. Why he was tazered and shot is irrelevant to my point, which is that I'm glad society can be made aware of these events and monitor them. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:47 sevencck wrote: If you read my post, you'll notice that I say the police officer isn't guilty of murder until this is established. The facts remain, however, that the man was tazered and shot. And you're missing the point. Why he was tazered and shot is irrelevant to my point, which is that I'm glad society can be made aware of these events and monitor them. we have no idea what happened. so, im not sure why this is something that the world needs to know about. all this thread is leading to is a bunch of people making uninformed assumptions about the guilt of the officers involved based on basically no evidence at all. | ||
sevencck
Canada691 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:50 dAPhREAk wrote: we have no idea what happened. so, im not sure why this is something that the world needs to know about. all this thread is leading to is a bunch of people making uninformed assumptions about the guilt of the officers involved based on basically no evidence at all. There needs to be sufficient grounds to charge a man with murder. So it's not like this is baseless. We have no idea what happened? A man was shot and killed! This isn't some nebulous phenomenon, we literally have a corpse. This isn't something to bother ourselves with? | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On April 06 2012 12:00 sevencck wrote: There needs to be sufficient grounds to charge a man with murder. So it's not like this is baseless. We have no idea what happened? A man was shot and killed! This isn't some nebulous phenomenon, we literally have a corpse. This isn't something to bother ourselves with? other than the fact that the media tagged "Trayvon Martin" to this case, I see no reason why the media is covering it at all outside of the local area. people are shot and killed all of the time, including by police. this is just sensationalism of an issue that is apparently not well understood even by the media. | ||
Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:32 Zooper31 wrote: Theres no proof anywhere as of yet. And no one was charged with murder so technically no one was murdered, same with the Trayvon case. That is incorrect. Murder is technically killing someone with prior intent. It has nothing to do with being charged. Your definition is actually that of a convicted murderer. | ||
Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
They didnt involved a lot of help that was offered to them (by family and the health care company). They didnt let the man alone in his home they just felt pushed around by a "black" dude and wanted revenge. They were out for blood, deal with it. We have rights at our homes and this rights involve to say to a police officer that they should go away. He knew he gonna get shot and said his prayers shortly before the police entered. The police cut of the audio and video records shortly before they shot him and they did it intentionally. No Officer knew that there was another audio record running all the time becouse of the medical alert. This wasnt a act of a single police officer it was the act of a group of police officers who refused to take other non harmfull and non lethal possibilitys they obviously had. Already Tasering a guy who has serious heart issues is lethal force. Still you guys wanna wait for the audio files? They probably never get released becouse its the police who has control of the evidence. They now sacrifice a single police officer who has already a backround story and will be fired anyway. WP Police I know i get a bid emotional but still this case just tops it all. | ||
Sermokala
United States13541 Posts
There was a thread on this already. I'll try and find it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289791 Yeah there it is. They had a warrent thinking that he was a drug dealer and instead of either party identifying themselves they just slowly find eachother until someone pulls the trigger and the swat team kills the guy. He had the civilian version of the m-16 and was ready to hose down the cops himself. Don't try to be sensationalist about things. that's why the whole trayvon case went to shit. If you have a problem with cops or how they operate then say so. Don't say that they murder everyone that threatens them. Second reading its a different case but its really more of the same. The op doesn't have anything new other then a new news post. There are plenty of threads that are about police policy already we don't need a new thread for every news story out there. Just post this in the trayvon thread and talk about it there. Its hard to ever know what really happens in these situations. It was an interesting point that police's voice and vision should be recorded when serving search warents and stuff. would be really expensive for an already cash strapped precincts. Its a bad world but no ones found a way to make a better one. | ||
Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On April 06 2012 12:34 Sermokala wrote: There was a thread on this already. I'll try and find it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289791 Yeah there it is. They had a warrent thinking that he was a drug dealer and instead of either party identifying themselves they just slowly find eachother until someone pulls the trigger and the swat team kills the guy. He had the civilian version of the m-16 and was ready to hose down the cops himself. Don't try to be sensationalist about things. that's why the whole trayvon case went to shit. If you have a problem with cops or how they operate then say so. Don't say that they murder everyone that threatens them. This isnt this case | ||
tso
United States132 Posts
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:50 dAPhREAk wrote: we have no idea what happened. so, im not sure why this is something that the world needs to know about. all this thread is leading to is a bunch of people making uninformed assumptions about the guilt of the officers involved based on basically no evidence at all. This is creating something called awareness. Using public awareness one can create pressure for the government to do what the people want. It's how our democratic system works here. Awareness is good. That's what this thread is about. | ||
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