On April 06 2012 06:21 dAPhREAk wrote: so, what exactly is there to discuss about this case? the DA is holding a grand jury.
Not much to discuss perhaps, but we're fortunate to live in the electronic age, where people can be quickly informed about events like this. It's important for people to have an unbiased understanding of what is happening in our society. Regardless of what many people choose to believe in their unbridled reverence for authority, there are too many unworthy officers working for police forces all over North America, and it's important for people to be made aware when they step (way) out of line. Thanks for posting OP.
you say we should have an "unbiased understanding." the op does not give us that. it doesnt really give us anything. we dont know what happened. we dont know the officer's side of the story; we havent seen (or read an article summarizing) the evidence; we know jackshit. yet, people are jumping to conclusions about the police officers involved being murderers.
Indeed. The facts are that a police officer arrived at a house occupied by a man with a heart condition who has a medical alert device. That man was then tazered and then shot. The recoding device recorded taunts and racist remarks. Those facts are unbiased. Is he guilty of murder? No, not until he is proven of it. The fact remains, however, that a man is dead and a police officer will be charged on this basis and will have to defend his actions in a court. I'd rather the public be made aware of this now and keep an eye on how this unfolds. Why is that bad?
why was he tazered and shot?
If you read my post, you'll notice that I say the police officer isn't guilty of murder until this is established. The facts remain, however, that the man was tazered and shot. And you're missing the point. Why he was tazered and shot is irrelevant to my point, which is that I'm glad society can be made aware of these events and monitor them.
we have no idea what happened. so, im not sure why this is something that the world needs to know about. all this thread is leading to is a bunch of people making uninformed assumptions about the guilt of the officers involved based on basically no evidence at all.
This is creating something called awareness. Using public awareness one can create pressure for the government to do what the people want. It's how our democratic system works here. Awareness is good. That's what this thread is about.
The problem in spreading "awareness" in the modern world is that the level of misinformation or blind ignorance isn't questions or checked but instead repeated and retold until people start fighting over different warped versions of events and no one cares anymore about what really happened but try and hammer down the rhetoric of their side.
On April 06 2012 06:21 dAPhREAk wrote: so, what exactly is there to discuss about this case? the DA is holding a grand jury.
Not much to discuss perhaps, but we're fortunate to live in the electronic age, where people can be quickly informed about events like this. It's important for people to have an unbiased understanding of what is happening in our society. Regardless of what many people choose to believe in their unbridled reverence for authority, there are too many unworthy officers working for police forces all over North America, and it's important for people to be made aware when they step (way) out of line. Thanks for posting OP.
you say we should have an "unbiased understanding." the op does not give us that. it doesnt really give us anything. we dont know what happened. we dont know the officer's side of the story; we havent seen (or read an article summarizing) the evidence; we know jackshit. yet, people are jumping to conclusions about the police officers involved being murderers.
Indeed. The facts are that a police officer arrived at a house occupied by a man with a heart condition who has a medical alert device. That man was then tazered and then shot. The recoding device recorded taunts and racist remarks. Those facts are unbiased. Is he guilty of murder? No, not until he is proven of it. The fact remains, however, that a man is dead and a police officer will be charged on this basis and will have to defend his actions in a court. I'd rather the public be made aware of this now and keep an eye on how this unfolds. Why is that bad?
why was he tazered and shot?
If you read my post, you'll notice that I say the police officer isn't guilty of murder until this is established. The facts remain, however, that the man was tazered and shot. And you're missing the point. Why he was tazered and shot is irrelevant to my point, which is that I'm glad society can be made aware of these events and monitor them.
we have no idea what happened. so, im not sure why this is something that the world needs to know about. all this thread is leading to is a bunch of people making uninformed assumptions about the guilt of the officers involved based on basically no evidence at all.
This is creating something called awareness. Using public awareness one can create pressure for the government to do what the people want. It's how our democratic system works here. Awareness is good. That's what this thread is about.
The problem in spreading "awareness" in the modern world is that the level of misinformation or blind ignorance isn't questions or checked but instead repeated and retold until people start fighting over different warped versions of events and no one cares anymore about what really happened but try and hammer down the rhetoric of their side.
On April 06 2012 06:21 dAPhREAk wrote: so, what exactly is there to discuss about this case? the DA is holding a grand jury.
Not much to discuss perhaps, but we're fortunate to live in the electronic age, where people can be quickly informed about events like this. It's important for people to have an unbiased understanding of what is happening in our society. Regardless of what many people choose to believe in their unbridled reverence for authority, there are too many unworthy officers working for police forces all over North America, and it's important for people to be made aware when they step (way) out of line. Thanks for posting OP.
you say we should have an "unbiased understanding." the op does not give us that. it doesnt really give us anything. we dont know what happened. we dont know the officer's side of the story; we havent seen (or read an article summarizing) the evidence; we know jackshit. yet, people are jumping to conclusions about the police officers involved being murderers.
Indeed. The facts are that a police officer arrived at a house occupied by a man with a heart condition who has a medical alert device. That man was then tazered and then shot. The recoding device recorded taunts and racist remarks. Those facts are unbiased. Is he guilty of murder? No, not until he is proven of it. The fact remains, however, that a man is dead and a police officer will be charged on this basis and will have to defend his actions in a court. I'd rather the public be made aware of this now and keep an eye on how this unfolds. Why is that bad?
why was he tazered and shot?
If you read my post, you'll notice that I say the police officer isn't guilty of murder until this is established. The facts remain, however, that the man was tazered and shot. And you're missing the point. Why he was tazered and shot is irrelevant to my point, which is that I'm glad society can be made aware of these events and monitor them.
we have no idea what happened. so, im not sure why this is something that the world needs to know about. all this thread is leading to is a bunch of people making uninformed assumptions about the guilt of the officers involved based on basically no evidence at all.
This is creating something called awareness. Using public awareness one can create pressure for the government to do what the people want. It's how our democratic system works here. Awareness is good. That's what this thread is about.
The problem in spreading "awareness" in the modern world is that the level of misinformation or blind ignorance isn't questions or checked but instead repeated and retold until people start fighting over different warped versions of events and no one cares anymore about what really happened but try and hammer down the rhetoric of their side.
If you dont like to discuss this topic than just dont do it. You are actually just posting a rethoric opinion without INFORMING yourself at all. You seem to be desensitised for anything related to this, and you should think twice before posting here in my opinion.
On April 06 2012 06:19 Kojak21 wrote: What a sensationalized title
What about it is sensationalized?
Calling someone a Murderer before they are guilty? Nothing sensational about that ; )
I was about about to comment on this post and say that it was wrong. Putting "murder" in the title is sensationalist. But I guess he just forgot to put /sarcasm at the end of his post.
Haha yeah I try and lay my sarcasm on thick so even the interwebs can get it.
Not really big news. The police complain about releasing a name of a involved officer. The family demands the release of the recorded files of the health care company.
The son seem to have written this statement he also has started the petition.
This petition is regarding the upcoming grand jury hearing in the case of Kenneth Chamberlain Sr., an unarmed elderly black citizen who was shot to death by the White Plains Police Department.
This case not only brings into question the policies and practices of this department; but it is an open question whether it was inevitable, particularly in light of the audio tapes and video tapes witnessed by Mr. Chamberlain's family members and attorneys where racial slurs and expletives were used before ultimately shooting him twice in the chest and killing him.
It is imperative that those tapes be made available to the grand jury, and that all other evidence be presented as well. I am concerned that secrecy so far—for example, the names of officers involved have not been released—bodes badly for transparency in this case as it moves forward. Nor am I aware of any public statements about the case from elected officials calling for openness.
Members of Mr. Chamberlain's family and community—and a much wider circle of people who need to know there is fairness in the criminal justice system—seek reassurance that, no matter what the verdict, the process has been open, honest, and just.
We, the undersigned, implore Westchester County District Attorney Janet DiFiore to no longer allow police misconduct, brutality, or criminality to happen in this community and ask that these officers be indicted and charged with murder and civil rights violations.
On May 06 2012 03:58 archonOOid wrote: seems like racism is not dead or will it ever be?
Racism is human nature it will never end unfortunately. The world is definitely not perfect. I just think it is awkward that if you kill a police officer, you go to death row. A police officer kills you, they get a slap on the wrist and a verbal warning.
This has nothing to do with racism, have u watched the video? he was being a senile old man who all he had to do was open the door and say he was okay. instead he pulled a knife on them and acted very agitated. what do you expect the police to do. they were called into an emergency and they were doing there job.
This reminds me of that skit Dave Chappelle did. " This twisted son of a bitch broke into the house, and put up pictures of himself everywhere. " lol
On further investigation I found this to be a disturbing incident. He should have cooperated with police. A conversation would have defused the situation, open the fucking door and calmly tell them whats going on.
One of the many reasons I keep a loaded magazine next to my Beretta. Pretty upsetting that people can show such horrible prejudice and still hold government positions.
Well still kinda strange incident anyway lets see how its gonna resolve.
holy shit that was some crazy stuff. i wonder what medication he was on because he was acting weird as hell. also weird that the video cut out right before the shooting. i wonder how it escalated since it seemed they had already shot him with the taser.
On May 06 2012 04:17 Mondieu wrote: So the elder man threatened them with a knife and they decided to shoot him in the chest?
You got to do what you have to do. Cops could'nt do anything versus this highly trained veteran. Remember how many cops Rambo killed with no equiment, these guys are killing machine. I'm sure the only logical thing to do was to shot him dead before it was too late.
On May 06 2012 04:17 Mondieu wrote: So the elder man threatened them with a knife and they decided to shoot him in the chest?
You got to do what you have to do. Cops could'nt do anything versus this highly trained veteran. Remember how many cops Rambo killed with no equiment, these guys are killing machine. I'm sure the only logical thing to do was to shot him dead before it was too late.
On May 06 2012 04:17 Mondieu wrote: So the elder man threatened them with a knife and they decided to shoot him in the chest?
You got to do what you have to do. Cops could'nt do anything versus this highly trained veteran. Remember how many cops Rambo killed with no equiment, these guys are killing machine. I'm sure the only logical thing to do was to shot him dead before it was too late.
On May 06 2012 04:17 Mondieu wrote: So the elder man threatened them with a knife and they decided to shoot him in the chest?
You got to do what you have to do. Cops could'nt do anything versus this highly trained veteran. Remember how many cops Rambo killed with no equiment, these guys are killing machine. I'm sure the only logical thing to do was to shot him dead before it was too late.
On May 06 2012 04:17 Mondieu wrote: So the elder man threatened them with a knife and they decided to shoot him in the chest?
You got to do what you have to do. Cops could'nt do anything versus this highly trained veteran. Remember how many cops Rambo killed with no equiment, these guys are killing machine. I'm sure the only logical thing to do was to shot him dead before it was too late.
he was 68. you seriously comparing him to rambo?
you from romania?
wtf? no.
Come on man, classic team liquid joke. SARCASM + ROMANIA does not compute. (according to the joke =D)
Well still kinda strange incident anyway lets see how its gonna resolve.
That video is highly disturbing.
To me it seems that the police deliberately escalated that situation. Like... what the hell. You don't rush into someones home, gun drawn after he and his family tell you for like 20 minutes that he's fine and that he does not want the police there. What was their plan? Rush in, give him handcuffs and force him to the hospital for a check up?
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On May 06 2012 04:09 Kojak21 wrote: This has nothing to do with racism, have u watched the video? he was being a senile old man who all he had to do was open the door and say he was okay. instead he pulled a knife on them and acted very agitated. what do you expect the police to do. they were called into an emergency and they were doing there job.
It is the polices JOB to rush along with a medical alert and once the emergency turns out to be false it is also their job to force entry anyway (against the persons will), taser an almost 70 year old man and then shoot him a few minutes later?
I thought their job was to make sure the person who called the emergency (and the medical team) is fine. Silly me. =/