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Look, blizzd hates brood war. Its their most successful game, and its the one they have not supported. Now they have had three sequels, made tons omoney, and still are jealous of brood war. By all means, I'm happy that remastered is coming. But lets not fool ourselves. Blizzard will do a balance patch. And they will give us an expansion with new units. They want money, and they are ready to reclaim brood war as "theirs".
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Good post right? Well now I'm going to ruin it with balance talk. I figure we should beat blizzard to the punch. Cry all you want. The game will change. Pretend otherwise.
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Terrain imbalance... Can be curbed by I think a few simple changes. There are some interesting changes that I'm sure you will hate for hates sake, and I'll be honest the complex changes I'm unsure about, but certainly believe they can be balanced with playtesting.
Scanner sweep Would it be alright if the area revealed was reduced? Right now it seems a bit easy for terrain to spot zerg tech, no matter how hidden. This nerf wouldn't do much. I think it would be welcomed. Making it 75 mana would be another option. But that might forceterran to turtle against protoss.
200/200 armies Terran is pretty powerful when maxed out. Could terrain live with +3 arcalite damage and not +5 per upgrade? Buildings could live a fraction of a second longer at least. Also, it seems most people would be fine if vultures were 100 minerals. Vultures costing the same as a zealot seems like a good call. 3/5 is the golden mean, so I'm confident that the Arcalite nerf would still have great gameplay interactions.
Terran has 3 detectors I believe oov suggested a scout be a detector. The sc2 spell "envision", that makes the flyer a detector for a temporary time interval, would be a nice addition. No upgrade, and the scout shares the mana upgrade of the corsair. "Revelation" would be the alternative. For zerg, I think parasite should make the affected unit a detector. 2 queens could become 2 detectors, or make a random hydralisk or lurker or mutalisk a detector. The queen needs versatility. I'm open to seeing parasite at 50 mana as well.
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Those are all awesome right? Well keep scrolling. I saved auto mining for the end. here are a few more rather vanilla changes.
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Shield battery This thing is silly. They made it start with additional mana. Why not just make it start with 50, but heal 2 shield per 1 mana? Alternatively, for 50 mana the battery should just heal 150 or so shields. Both ways would allow the shield battery to have some use late game. I like the 50 mana/150 shields, but the 1 mana/ 2 shields could be set to auto cast. The auto cast 2/1 would probably be best. Both would be sick.
Scout and wraith atg damage I'm sure there are many ideas for this. Higher rate of fire, more damage, etc. I would like to see the wraith deal 10 explosive damage, like how the hydra was buffed. It will stay constant with hydras, superior with goons, and weaker against miners. Same for the scout, but 13 explosive damage would be sick. I think the fact that these would be nerfed against miners would keep them balanced. Go stove!
Drop ship cloaking I know. Left field. The drop ship is the only transport that costs vespene, which is fine, I just want something to go along with it. Sharing the wraith upgrades, like how marines and firebats share stimpack, would be cool. Between lurkers and dark templar, terran doesn't have a hard hitting cloaked ground unit. But an invisible drop ship with a tank is pretty close.
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Strangely you are okay with these suggestions. Buffing terran. Yes. Good.
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10,000 points about the scv First, let's give it auto repair. Is that OK?
Second, can we nerf its health but give it 1 armor? I'd like to see dark templars 1 hit kill scvs. And as much as I like FD... Jesus I don't want to kill FD... They are a bit tanky. I know the scv has so much health because of 4 pool. 1 armor goes a long way against lings. At 45 HP with 1 armor, scv will still be 6 hits to kill for a dragoon, but zealots and dtemplar will murder them quicker. I know, I'm playing with fire.
So... Reduce scv health. Make mutas medium bodies. Reduce Goliath aa damage. And possibly tweak build times by a few seconds here and there. Buff corsair and valkyrie damage if you need to. Hell start from the beginning all over again. Dark templar should 1 shot scvs. Right?
Its that or start with 6 miners. Oh this got silly fast.
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Maybe the scv can keep its 60 HP.
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So blizzard will make a new expansion with new units. I mean why not?
But that will suck. I hope not. Start with 6 miners. Auto mining. Banelings, force fields, and thors. Ugh. And actually I don't see them getting the actors back.
It would be neat if they did some campaign improvements. Made heroes like heroes of the storm characters or something. There are so many ai mods out there right now. I recall watching sc2 beta video, and Mr terrible damage shows the ai zerg retreats its hydralisks in the face of siege tanks. That would be cool.
I hope they do the full treatment for the side campaigns. Shaezer the space pirate? Comic book cutscenes and voice actors. Hell maybe another piece ro the shaezor story or something. And just bring the campaign all together, on one big screen. Put in the demo prologue maps instead of terran missions 1 through 3 or whatever. Maybe that n64 mission 1. And squeeze shaezor missions in between the campaigns. Make the secret missions just part of the campaign.
And I know its not canon apropios, but medics and devourers and stuff in the vanilla campaign would be nice. It would be really cool if insane campaign was at least possible... Zerg sending guards at me when I can't even build a Goliath.
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Oh and auto mining.
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If only the foreign scene put this much effort into improving together.
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On June 18 2017 05:23 IShowUMagic wrote: If only the foreign scene put this much effort into improving together.
LMAO
Damn son I didn't know OP is Jaedong
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Is this a troll post? Cause its really not funny
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
I appreciate your thoughts Maniacal jackal, but the idea that this becomes reality is going to replace the whale in my nightmares.
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Well if that happens then 1.16 is gonna be a competitor to remastered with its future expansions (Koreans who make up the majority of players have no problem going back afaik). Also considering that its being developed by the classics team which are also in charge of Diablo 2 and WarCraft 3 which may also see future projects. Do they have the time n dare?
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Vatican City State78 Posts
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I don't think Blizzard is going to be throwing in features and units from SC2.
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I think an expansion is a possibility from Blizzard. I actually hope they make one. Because I don't want to buy SC for a second time if it has no new units or buildings.
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The balance team in SC 2 is a huge negative value. Atm, one of the biggest reasons to play Remastered is to simply get away from the balance team. It's just too risky to go down this slippery slope, even though making dark archons more viable would probably be a good thing.
SC 2's team is either incompetent or selfish/greedy and realize their job actually depends on the game being relatively imbalanced. Just imbalanced enough to have work to do, but not so imbalanced that they should be fired. That said.. all should have been fired years ago. Pathetic.
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I thought this was the BW section of the forums not Blog section.
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i can't tell if this is a serious post or not. either way it makes more sense as a blog where you are free to vomit out as many terrible ideas as you want.
On June 18 2017 05:03 Maniacal jackal wrote: Look, blizzd hates brood war. Its their most successful game, and its the one they have not supported. Now they have had three sequels, made tons omoney, and still are jealous of brood war. By all means, I'm happy that remastered is coming. But lets not fool ourselves. Blizzard will do a balance patch. And they will give us an expansion with new units. They want money, and they are ready to reclaim brood war as "theirs".
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Good post right? Well now I'm going to ruin it with balance talk. I figure we should beat blizzard to the punch. Cry all you want. The game will change. Pretend otherwise
it was a bad post even before you started talking about balance. to speak as though it is fact that blizzard will change the balance and introduce new units is insane.
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Game is being remade for korean audition and koreans won't allow any changes. Period.
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I can see campaign packs or something, probably, but a new expansion would ruin players' trust with blizz forever. I could probably see people ignoring an expansion if it were to be released, and then blizz would try to enforce with WCS or something similar. But this is all very very unlikely I think blizz knows this game is not to be touched.
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Russian Federation40169 Posts
On June 18 2017 07:38 outscar wrote: Game is being remade for korean audition and koreans won't allow any changes. Period. Were not the casual koreans playing the UMS anyways, BW's much praised (on this forum) game design had not that much to do with it's popularity in Korea, if anything at all.
Anyways, OP is drunk.
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Don't nerf Terran, make anti Terran maps
Edit: And by the gods don't give dropships cloak. That would prevent scourge snipes in the middle of the map. Terran does not need buffs in TvZ.
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the only change i will accept for terran is 2 spider mines instead of 3 for vultures.
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I wouldn't play the game if there were any balance changes or an expansion. The game is perfect how it is. The old design team is gone and everything the new design team touches turns to shit.
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I think this is a quality speculation. Not sure I agree. But then again, I still don't understand why Blizzard decided to make SC:R. It is either charity, which it is obviously not, or they have their corporate plan that the top of the board approved, because it fits the modus operandi of a multinational.
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Yeah I know. Blizzard would be stupid to modify sc. Or remaster StarCraft. Or patch it all. Hell they would be stupid to try and take Korean esports money. Blizzard is so smart. They won't won't change the balance. Or make expansions. Hell they will never make a 1.18 patch. They are too much good Samaritans for that.
Yeah thanks guys. Way to be with the times.
I'm just going to bookmark this thread for you geniuses. Now, my actual post was, seeing how blizzard is directed towards bw and how they will try and reclaim it and stuff, how can we pacify them or rectify StarCraft. Yoiu are certainly welcomed to Google terran imbalance. Or play brood war.
I don't think arcalite nerf, sweep area nerf, or vultures at 100 would be too crazy
But honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to make auto mining. I mean its in StarCraft 2 for Christ sake.
Anyhow, anyone who has played the game for more than a week probably has an opinion on it. I've seen threads discussing the wraith battle cruiser balance. Or how upgrades could be modified slightly on how damage is rendered, like a wraith hit counts as 2 attacks itead of 1 for aa.
Seriously.
Blizzard will change your game. Whether you like it or not. Don't be an idiot.
I just want to be 1 step ahead.
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Most of my ideas came to halo reach. I dunno what you think of the dmr, pro tube, and armor abilities. I'm not saying my thoughts will make the next brood war patch, but understand your power of influence as a community, and also realize and respect that blizzard will change your game. So no I'm not jaedong. But I'm not stupid either.
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I mean they have 20 guys on the classic game team. That's not a huge number. And I'd like to direct blizzards interest in patching. Great,sc is perfect. They don't make money doing nothing. They don't acquire new players and tournaments doing nothing.
But personally blizzard wants money. I don't know how they will do that. But they will want new players. And more than one release for remastered. Lets just be honest here guys. I hope they don't add new units. I think a balance patch is not unreasonable. I'm sure some of my ideas suck.
But be honest. Its not your baby. Its blizzards baby. And they will do whatever.
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Cry about it. I don't care, but its going to happen. And if I'm so wrong, be right. Cloaked dropship is probably op. Shield battery 2/1 is probably perfect. Right? Shit let's get rolling. Let's gell. I'm not here because I hate bw.
for like a decade, these arguments have been great. Because blizzard doesn't do anything with bw. Well now they are. I don't post like this up here every week.
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I've had ideas. New units, new spells. Etc. They are mostly shit. I spent time trying to make a brood war board game. I got good enough with fd to tear up my protoss friends. Believe me I'm not an expert. And this thread wasn't to express my expertise. Most of my critique is from an observer.
But get with it and understand blizzard is a business. If you don't want blizzard to change anything, and stick with 1.16, they will add auto mining and 6 miners and leave you in the dust. You don't pay, have no say, and they'll make a new esports scene. I mean, they are like the biggest esports company in the world. im not here to argue reality. Blizzard is doing things...
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Did you guys even see the release of chess 2?
You say chess is unchangeable. Yeah,okay. Chess 2 is out. And its awesome.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/08/28/chess-2-review-pc/
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On June 18 2017 09:20 Maniacal jackal wrote: You don't pay, have no say, and they'll make a new esports scene.
Sure I do. If they do what they're doing so far- just fixing bugs and upgrading graphics- then I'll buy it. If they fuck with the balance and turn it into Starcraft 2 2.0, I won't buy it, and I can just keep playing/watching 1.16.
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Random troll's opinions: "Blizzard will change your game. Whether you like it or not. Don't be an idiot."
Blizzard Dev's official words: "We knew instinctively not to mess with a game regarded so highly for its balance. We haven’t made any changes to gameplay." ( Source)
I recommend that you read the Blizzard Dev's official interview.
If you can't mine manually, go play Starcraft 2 instead.
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How many of you can't see that the OP is literally mocking David Kim's style in the balance updates in SC2?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49035 Posts
On June 18 2017 10:07 Wrath wrote: How many of you can't see that the OP is literally mocking David Kim's style in the balance updates in SC2?
because there are people here who don't follow SC2.
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Why is this thread still up? Admins getting lazy?
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I think we need to buff tanks to have 9999 hp and shoot a nuclear missile.
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Remaster is not an another chapter/expansion of starcraft. Please take a look at a word remaster. Should be no balance patch. Even valkyrie imo.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36671 Posts
"T'was fun while it lasteth but all good things must cometh to an end my broskis."
-Seeker, June 2017
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TLADT24917 Posts
Funny thread, won't happen. If they do, 1.16.1 is waiting ^_^
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