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I am new to Brood War, played quite a bit of SC2 at a Masters level.
SC: R coming soon has sparked my interest in Brood War.
I have been playing on the Fish server against Koreans mostly just trying to get mechanically better.
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to spend some time and watch me from a first person basically critiquing what I am doing, and also give me an idea how a standard game should play out and what my strategy should be.
I am playing Zerg, as that's what I played in SC2.
Thank you
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I'm a zerg and more then willing to help out. Cute_herb = Fish , Herbmon = east/west server. PM me and ill give you discord or skype info!
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Before you need coaches, I'd say pick a macro build for ZvP and ZvT and do it vs computer to the point where you're not severely behind a pro execution. Then play people and watch replays. When you fail the build, note where you're failing and work on that. It might look dry and not every macro build works vs everything the opponent does, obviously, but it's a nice approach imo. I used to work my game like that when I played actively, I was never really good, I was B at ICCup 2005, 2006. But this method worked tremendously well for me, made me focus on macro, scouting and timing defense than to have my attention on micro. I mostly was failing at making pylons and I stressed on that. Even now I rarely miss them so yeah, it has become a habit.
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good luck with your BroodWar journey!
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if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower
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Im new to brood war too. Any one want to coach a terran?
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I have a small group of master(ish) level players that are practicing together in the evenings throughout the week. Feel free to hit me up sometime.
US WEST - res0rt Channel - reso
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Thanks for the responses guys.
My preferred way of contact would be skype so that I can screen share. Discord would work as well as I have a twitch stream that could be used for the same purpose.
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On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower
this is just incredibly untrue.
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Upload replays or you won't hear the end of it. People have a better idea how much they need to tell you to help you out with show cases of your game.
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On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue.
Definitely not untrue.
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On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue.
okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait.
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On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait.
Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so.
Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well.
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On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there.
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On June 29 2017 04:09 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there.
Elitist detected.
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I am D on fish and I still play vs the computer occasionally to fine tune my build orders.
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On June 29 2017 04:09 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there.
Just going to tell you as someone who plays with Switch, he's easily above D+. It isn't hard to get D+ on iccup, specially now of days. Mechanics do transfer over, not 100%, but if you could macro good in sc2 it won't take you long to get that on BW. The harder part is learning timings/builds and reacting to stuff then the mechanics.
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On June 29 2017 04:17 -Switch- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 04:09 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there. Elitist detected. okay, well if you're going to be a child I guess there's no point in the discussion.
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On June 29 2017 04:19 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 04:09 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there. Just going to tell you as someone who plays with Switch, he's easily above D+. It isn't hard to get D+ on iccup, specially now of days. Mechanics do transfer over, not 100%, but if you could macro good in sc2 it won't take you long to get that on BW. The harder part is learning timings/builds and reacting to stuff then the mechanics. no he's not. it's just not possible to be C- iccup in two weeks of brood war practice. it just isn't, that's a nonsense claim.
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On June 29 2017 04:28 ldv wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2017 04:17 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 04:09 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 04:02 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:54 ldv wrote:On June 29 2017 03:50 -Switch- wrote:On June 29 2017 03:02 ldv wrote:On June 28 2017 21:47 ROOTFayth wrote: if he was master level in SC2 he doesn't need to play vs a computer, mechanics in broodwar aren't much harder than in SC2, it's just more control groups but the pace is slower this is just incredibly untrue. Definitely not untrue. okay then show me all the SC2 master level players who come across with good mechanics. go ahead, i'll wait. Because there is such a huge sample of people swapping from SC2 to Broodwar who haven't played BW before? lol I don't think so. Maybe lets wait for remastered and we can judge this a bit better. I was a Grandmaster in sc2 and have been playing BW for a little over 2 weeks now. I can tell you a lot of the mechanics/skillsets transfer over and make you better at broodwar as well. No offense, but if you've been playing for a little over 2 weeks, you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player. The mechanics are too different, too much more involved in Brood War. I'm not being an elitist (I was an SC2 GM as well) it's just observable. I think most people just don't realize how high the mechanical skill ceiling is in Brood War. It's 50 stories high and even the best foreign brood war players don't get halfway there. Elitist detected. okay, well if you're going to be a child I guess there's no point in the discussion.
"you probably don't even have the mechanics of a D+ iccup player."
Why just call someone out when you have never seen them play? What rank are you on fish/iccup? Assuming you must be a pretty high level player.
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