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WinterWoes
Australia189 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Cs_summit/1 Beyond The Summit James Bardolph | ddk | ||
Ragnarork
France8667 Posts
It would be cool to see Liquid perform with Twistzz in their first LAN with him. Also going to be EnVy's LAN debut. Excited for that! | ||
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nukem1
189 Posts
Optic and C9 also fighting for bragging rights for best NA team. Kinda wished Envy would play someone else in the first round (either Godsent or Gambit) because I don't think their confidence is there yet and will be hard to match SK if they don't get a good start. TL beating NiP would not be an upset, curious to see the maps. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden5615 Posts
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Ragnarork
France8667 Posts
There. :> | ||
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nukem1
189 Posts
Leave Britney alooone! I mean NiP... I mean what? They have been on a downward spiral for some months now but I'm feeling a bit of a resurgence. It's also quite hard to gauge how NA teams do against EU teams. (I do favour TL but am hoping to see some magic :D ) | ||
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Ragnarork
France8667 Posts
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chicbot2000
United States45 Posts
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nukem1
189 Posts
On April 20 2017 03:40 Ragnarork wrote: There's a resurgence each time they change a player (or get a standin...) Happened with THREAT as well. But I wouldn't bank on a long term form off that. I know, but it's so frustrating seeing players that have so much experience and knowledge doing so poorly. Seems every other team manages to make small corrections and changes in order to adapt and remain relevant, NiP not so much. It's this stubbornness that I don't understand. On April 20 2017 10:10 chicbot2000 wrote: ah the swag extravaganza. the only thing that matters at this tourney Can you imagine C9 doing really well with swag in the team, like reach the final or even winning? The "free IBP" threads would flow till the end of time. | ||
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IntoTheStorm
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Hider
Denmark8344 Posts
I think Swag is a huge downgrade from Skadoodle, and Twistzz isn't really a noticeable upgrade over Pimp - though Liquids form is solid. But I don't see them beating NiP or SK until they get rid of JDM. Envyus is probably a more likely outsider than any of the NA teams. | ||
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Hider
Denmark8344 Posts
They have been on a downward spiral for some months now but I'm feeling a bit of a resurgence. It really wasn't working out with Pyth. He wasn't functioning well on the team, regardless of whether he had the AWP or the rifle. While Draken is still a bit inconsistent, he offers a ton more in terms of getting opening picks, and Get_Right + friberg looks a lot better than they did 2 months ago. And given that NiP at the bottom of their form still managed to beat C9 2-1, I don't see how on earth they shouldn't be big favourites against any of the NA teams at this tournament. Because C9 w/ Skadoodle is still the best NA team, and NiP is actually having solid results going into this tournament. | ||
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Faruko
Chile2980 Posts
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nukem1
189 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil2876 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore6430 Posts
and it's on twitch | ||
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Hider
Denmark8344 Posts
I think the issue is that Liquid is so good at branding/marketing it self, so that any type of small improvement/roster change gets massive attention, and results in people hugely overrating the team. That and the fact that it plays against NA opponents online. | ||
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Faruko
Chile2980 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2750 Posts
On April 21 2017 04:43 Hider wrote: Geez, Liquid is getting so overhyped by some people. Dazed apparently thinks Liquid is one of the faovurites along with NiP and SK. And spunj predicted them to win. Wtf. I think the issue is that Liquid is so good at branding/marketing it self, so that any type of small improvement/roster change gets massive attention, and results in people hugely overrating the team. That and the fact that it plays against NA opponents online. They tend to perform pretty good with a moral boost of a new joining player. As soon as the boost runs out, they are back down. But one thing is right, Liquid is along NiP, its just that other teams should be rated higher then both of em. | ||
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Hider
Denmark8344 Posts
On April 21 2017 04:46 Clonester wrote: They tend to perform pretty good with a moral boost of a new joining player. As soon as the boost runs out, they are back down. But one thing is right, Liquid is along NiP, its just that other teams should be rated higher then both of em. Well I think they look better now. Stanislaw > Hiko, and Twistzz looks pretty fine too, though I don't think he will outperform Pimps lan performances. That said, I still wouldn't put Liquid in the top 20. If you watched JDM play recently, he actually looks like a guy with no confidence at all (plus he isn't good). And I don't think Liquid can beat tier 2 EU teams 4v5. But one thing is right, Liquid is along NiP, Tell me which world in which Liquid would go toe-to-toe against Astralis over 4 maps. Offline or online. Liquid has had consistente "not a top 20 team" performances ever since S1mple left. So even though they have improved recently, they have a ton of cathing up to do. NiP has been in a huge slump until they signed Draken where they bottomed at around #15 in the world. But even when they bottomed, they still beat C9 2-1.... So that shows some of the discrepancy between NA and EU. And right now it seems to be around #10th in the world. So NiP is unquestionably the second best team in this tournament. | ||
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