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Thouroughly enjoyed the movie.
+ Show Spoiler +Khan's character was a badass. With 72 of those the Federation could defeat the borg in a few years...
Also, it seems like the Federation just jumped 100 years in technology with those new ships and the like. I wonder if we will see this used in future films or if they are just going to forget about the technology and act like it never existed despite the fact it would make them the de facto bosses in the area with nothing to fear from the Klingons or Romulans.
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On May 17 2013 05:33 On_Slaught wrote:Thouroughly enjoyed the movie. + Show Spoiler +Khan's character was a badass. With 72 of those the Federation could defeat the borg in a few years...
Also, it seems like the Federation just jumped 100 years in technology with those new ships and the like. I wonder if we will see this used in future films or if they are just going to forget about the technology and act like it never existed despite the fact it would make them the de facto bosses in the area with nothing to fear from the Klingons or Romulans. I heard that the in-universe reason for all the advanced technology so early on was due to the Kelvin scanning Nero's advanced mining ship, which itself was augmented with experimental technology that the Romulans of the prime universe had created after analyzing Borg stuff.
Anyways, I LOVED this movie. I found it much better than Star Trek '09, although I enjoyed that movie as well despite its many flaws. I liked how some of the pre-release speculation that was supposed to be proven false by official sources turned out to not be so false after all
brb, rewatching Space Seed and Wrath of Khan.
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Absolutely enjoyed the second movie. Just have to say go watch it for yourselves, Abraham really knows how to deal with Sci-Fi, and I can't wait to see what he does with Star Wars.
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On May 17 2013 05:33 On_Slaught wrote:Thouroughly enjoyed the movie. + Show Spoiler +Khan's character was a badass. With 72 of those the Federation could defeat the borg in a few years...
Also, it seems like the Federation just jumped 100 years in technology with those new ships and the like. I wonder if we will see this used in future films or if they are just going to forget about the technology and act like it never existed despite the fact it would make them the de facto bosses in the area with nothing to fear from the Klingons or Romulans.
Yeah pretty much Abrams killed the whole balance of power feelings in the original and TNG. It's much more about Indiana Jones in space now... But IJ was a great series after all.
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I watched them both last night. As someone who has never seen anything Trek related except for the 2009 Star Trek, I found myself amazingly bored. The villain seemed almost like a joke, and the pacing was terrible. I don't see how a sci-fi movie could be so bad, considering it was made five years after the original Star Wars, which still holds up pretty well for contemporary viewers. If this is really supposed to be one of the best of the ten original movies, then I'm never going near the rest of them. I just hope Star Trek Into Darkness does a better job, and from the trailers and reviews so far, it seems like it does.
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On my way to see it in Imax 3d.
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On May 16 2013 15:22 Abraxas514 wrote: Saw it tonight too at scotiabank theatre in downtown montreal... should've been in IMAX 3D but the imax broke down so we watched it in 'regular' 3D and got a free pass to whatever else in the future.
Put that stuff in spoiler tags man!!!!!!!!!
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If you ask him to spoiler it, then don't quote it yourself.
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Was happily surprised at the whole thing. Marvelous cinematic job, although there are always the many artistic "stretches" of reality that come about when doing scifi.
The thing is that Abrams assumes that everyone seeing this movie has seen the originals many times, which is probably true for 90% of viewers, but for that 10% it might not make sense. There were so many "here's my take on it." moments, it was hard to count. Definitely a fan's movie, not sure how well the uninitiated will like it, or how well the movie/script "borrows" from the original movies and series for fanservice.
Definitely looking forward for the next movie as it will surely be dealing with Klingons.
Another note, i was impressed on how the technical sets were re-imagined. Their interpretation of say, the warp core, or hanger decks, space dock, and alien ships make a lot more sense to me than the original series.
+ Show Spoiler +I like too how Abrams used what he had when the roles were switched. You could really get the sense of Kirk and Spock's relationship growing to the point where they are inseparable. Also don't think Chris Pine could have pulled off the famous line near the end, while the tone and gravitas of Quinto matched it much better.
Probably my only point of criticism is that i can't stand Spock's bouncing bangs... idk ...it just kills me. lol
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Just got back from seeing it, thought it was great. I was a not a fan of the old tv series (never watched any of it) but these two movies so far have been awesome.
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On May 17 2013 08:25 Abraxas514 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 05:33 On_Slaught wrote:Thouroughly enjoyed the movie. + Show Spoiler +Khan's character was a badass. With 72 of those the Federation could defeat the borg in a few years...
Also, it seems like the Federation just jumped 100 years in technology with those new ships and the like. I wonder if we will see this used in future films or if they are just going to forget about the technology and act like it never existed despite the fact it would make them the de facto bosses in the area with nothing to fear from the Klingons or Romulans. Yeah pretty much Abrams killed the whole balance of power feelings in the original and TNG. It's much more about Indiana Jones in space now... But IJ was a great series after all. Yes, but Abrams rarely makes mistakes, which weren't done before. Voyager accomplished the same thing for post-tng.
Let's collect some flaws, which hurt the flow: + Show Spoiler +- From Qo'noS to Earth-moon in 68 seconds with a damaged warp-core.
- Calling Scotty from Qo'noS to Earth with personal starfleet communicators.
- I'm not a physicist, but the distance between Earth and Moon is 396.201 km. A Geostationary Earth Orbit is 35.786 km above Earth's surface. I doubt that gravity is so high near Moon, that the Enterprise would be pulled to Earth that fast.
- No patrols or safe-guard around Qo'noS? It seemed to be almost deserted. Maybe because of that exploded moon, which could be Praxis.
- When Nero travelled through time, he couldn't have changed the genetics and the appearance of Khan, who was supposedly born in the 20th century.
- Again they can and can't do things, just as the plot requires it. They can beam down one person to a moving vehicle, but can beam no one up from that moving vehicle.
- They can't beam a person away from a volcano, because of magnetic fields, but across interplanetary-distances is ok.
- Klingon appearance changed again.
- You are really going to bomb these people just for your daughter's life?
- Scotty is off ship, Checkov in Enginering and they send in 3 of the bridge crew to Qo'noS including the communications officer, the first officer and the captain. That's too much even for Trek standard.
- A D4-class appeared before in Enterprise, but the producers decided to go with a low-resolution K't'inga. Clearly, the ID D4 is new and and early Bird-of-Prey. This is rather a mistake of the producers of Enterprise, who abused their employees to include cheap models in the series. Full story: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/D4_class
New D4:
Nevertheless, a good job.
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Overall I liked the movie + Show Spoiler + was a badass. + Show Spoiler +My main issues. They warp with a damaged warp core and gets thrown out of warpspace for a few seconds and still reach earth. Wat? Also I couldn't quite understand where their ship was when they went to Kronos. Were they really at the border to the neutral zone and took a transport from there to Kronos? Also, weren't they blocking communications when spock contacted spock.
Was I the only one who thought chekov looked scared when they told him to put on the red shirts. And all those half second random shots at hot chicks on the ship xD
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Never been a fan of Star Trek but Into Darkness made me a fan. It threw away the sillyness and its alot more mature. Have to say the effects are THE best ive seen in a movie. Stuff didnt just look good it looked REAL.
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On May 18 2013 07:59 risk.nuke wrote:Overall I liked the movie + Show Spoiler + was a badass. + Show Spoiler +My main issues. They warp with a damaged warp core and gets thrown out of warpspace for a few seconds and still reach earth. Wat? Also I couldn't quite understand where their ship was when they went to Kronos. Were they really at the border to the neutral zone and took a transport from there to Kronos? Also, weren't they blocking communications when spock contacted spock. Was I the only one who thought chekov looked scared when they told him to put on the red shirts. And all those half second random shots at hot chicks on the ship xD
I caught that as well. When Chekov was told to put on the red shirt there was a look of terror on his face. I hope that was intentional and not refering to the fact he's just scared to take the job he isn't fully qualified for.
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I'm sure it was meant to have both meanings. Both I don't feel prepared and a wink at old fans to mean "oh shit red shirt I'm gonna dieeeee"
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On May 07 2013 05:40 EnterpriseE1701E wrote:Below are spoilers, and I'm 99% certain this is how it is going to go down. My chief contention is that the overwhelming majority of details about the movie are contained within the trailers or other, exceptionally short leaked clips. + Show Spoiler +If you take a look at the third English trailer, around the 0:40 second mark, you will see two figures walking out of a room which seems to be littered with coffins. This, I believe, is intentional on the part of whoever designed the trailer, but highly misleading. You will note prior to this scene, we saw Cumberbatch's character attack a number of what seems to be Starfleet officials in what looks like a meeting room. The train of thought is supposed to take us from attack -> coffins (and with one individual being buried with a starfleet flag on top, at the beginning of the trailer, this suggestion seems all the more likely). However, I want to argue that this is an incorrect interpretation. There are three big things which give that these tubes are not coffins.1) There is no starfleet insignia, no starfleet emblem, and no starfleet flag on these "coffins." Instead, they are perfeclty non-descript-- something which seems highly unlikely, if we believe that the people killed were starfleet officials, and they were on Earth (no shortage of materials to make such a coffin). 2) These tubes have glass on top of them, such that you could see the people inside. We HAVE seen designs similar to this (I'm thinking of the TNG episode in which the crew goes into stasis to get around the lack of REM sleep in a given section of space). I would suggest these are similar to those sorts of instruments instead, such that we have a large quantity of people in cryogenic storage.
3)To back this up further, the glass seems frosted. Short and sweet. I hope it becomes obvious where this is going. In addition to the movie having an entire crew locked in cryogenic stasis, there are several other compelling facts which make the plot of this story very obvious. The next comes from from a more recent clip on youtube, no more than 1 minute in length. Cumberbatch's character says that there are "72" reasons why Kirk should look in his hold, or that Cumberbatch is right. Regardless of whatever inane dialogue these two are exchanging, the 72 is key here. After the Eugenics Wars in Star Trek, a number of augments were exiled into space on sleeper ships. One of these ships, the SS Botany Bay, was sent out with Khan and 84 other people aboard. After 12 of these capsules failed, he was left with 72 augments. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/SS_Botany_BayBasically, it is gonna be Khan.Several other compelling points, and some other details which will be very interesting, but are more speculative: The first post links a JP video, which has a short clip, which reenacted the radiation scene from Wrath of Khan. It isn't clear whose hands these are, but I will suggest something about this later. I think it would be wildly amiss from Abram's stated goals to include a scene like this without it being Khan as the villian. Instead, he's repeatedly said he wants these ST movies to appeal to new fans and old. Several of the trailers show the Enterprise eating massive quantities of shit, with massive chunks ripped out of her engineering and saucer sections. Coupled with a short, 2 second clip which shows several crewmen getting sucked out of a breach at light speed, we know the Enterprise is gonna get wrecked. Furthermore, we have a good shot from above ofthe Enterprise, in which it has many hull breaches as well, hurtling towards a planet. Coupled with a large, federation sort of ship slamming into SanFran harbor (Home of Starfleet) (and taking out Alcatraz as well), I suspect that the Enterprise is going to get massively, completely owned.If you've watched the third and final trailer, it should be obvious who's going to do this-- a dreadnaught which looks oddly Federation in design (it has the classic saucer/engineering/nacelle set up that we see in almost every Federation vessel), firing on the Enterprise. My prediction is as follows: Khan has the dreadnaught, makes the Enterprise grab its ankles, and sends it hurtling towards Earth. Now, since a warp core breach on the surface of the planet, near SanFran would obliterate the city (not to mention the continent as a whole), I suspect that there will be a reenactment of the radiation scene from the end of the Wrath of Khan, in an attempt to make sure the antimatter doesn't detonate as the Enterprise is crashing. Somebody's gonna die, for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Abrams reverses Spock dying, and instead lets Kirk, given that a theme of these trailers has been Kirk's arrogance in not having any of his crew die.Further predictions: either this person, or maybe Captain Pike will actually be the one in the coffin that we see at the start of the movie. I'd be shocked if they killed off one of the bridge crew, but we do see a funeral happening as the beginning-- a further prediction is that Pike dies in the attack. I have very little evidence beyond my Star Trek movie intuition, but Pike has been a surrogate father figure in both ST11 and from the trailers you've seen. Thoughts? Quite an epic forecast in hindsight.
Speaking of predictions, + Show Spoiler +I think Praxis already exploded and that's the reason, why Qo'noS looked abandoned for the most part. That could definitely be part of the third film.
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I think a lot of people have to remember a few things.
This is based on the Star Trek universe, but is a completely new timeline. Granted somethings are the same, but all the ships, technology, and other reference points are completely NEW, because it is an alternative reality.
+ Show Spoiler +As for filming durations, like it took then 68 seconds to get from Kingon space to Sol system... thats filmography. To address that partictular sequence, we don't see the other ship turn around, we dont see it jump to warp and the various time delays etc. Thanks to filmography, we jump the needless stuff and get right into the action.
Of course Kingons look somewhat different. It is a different imagining of the topic series.
In closing, it would have been better if they gave it a different name, because some people can't seem to dissassociate one series from the other.
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I can't because they made up the explanation, that Nero's time travel changed this into an alternate reality. But that happened in 2233. Logically, every event or object before that date must be the same as in the original, including + Show Spoiler +Klingons appearance (looking like another species now), Klingon D4, Khan's appearance, Kirk's appearance (who's genetics also can't be changed by a time travel event right before his birth), the Kelvin not being a ToS design and so forth.
That just means the explanation with a separation of common reality and the new one in 2233 is bad.
+ Show Spoiler +The Vengeance has 3 times the Enterprise's speed and I assume they pursued immediately. The dialogue continues without pauses. I don't think there was any hidden pause in the film for an hour for instance. Between which scenes would you expect such a pause? We are speaking at maximum about a few additional seconds.
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I thought overall the movie was really great, but the pacing seemed to be really off.
+ Show Spoiler +Khan barely seemed to be a bad guy. The whole movie was incredibly well done up until the point Khan got aboard the big ass dreadnaught ship, at which point, there was about 30 minutes left of the movie that rapidly declined and went downward. Nothing Khan did seemed relevant at that point and the movie was basically over, they just wanted to throw in the vulcan death-grab (which ended up being my favorite part of the movie, but it seemed wholly forced.
I also thought that for Khan being such a smart badass guy, he seemed entirely void of the concept that he's many times stronger than Spock and could simply hurl him from one of the ships they were fighting on to kill him, instead of trying to crush his skull.
It was probably the most anti-climactic ending I've seen from a big movie lately. It wasn't a bad movie by any stretch, but Khan did very little throughout. It would have been nicer to have a real bad guy throughout the movie.
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