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A team of explorers travel through a wormhole in an attempt to find a potentially habitable planet that will sustain humanity.
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Xiphos
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Poster: Trailer: Plot: A team of explorers travel through a wormhole in an attempt to find a potentially habitable planet that will sustain humanity. - IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/) | ||
Chairman Ray
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riotjune
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
I am a big fan of chris so i watched it on the 2nd day when it came out. Gravity maybe was spectacular and breathtaking; Interstellar is pure.... intensity and simply magnificent. The important thing about this movie is that you dont need any astrophysics prior watching it, nolan(s) spent 3 seconds explaining wormhole so their story telling ability is serious some top class shit. It is about family love and i cried for so long for different scenes. It is a very exhausting when i walked from the cinema lol. All in all, if you need a line to decide whether you should watch it or not and you don't mind some mild spoiler: + Show Spoiler + It is technically a remake of Armageddon, funnily enough that was from michael bay rofl Pretty pointless to compare to gravity as well because look back of it gravity was all about that visuals really. and chris said that he prevented himself to watch gravity since he was working on this project (that he would watch after he finished this). | ||
Emnjay808
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SKC
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Xiphos
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However, this means that the people of the future was able to survive despite Matt + Ann's character making it or not makes it so that the entire journey through the wormhole, to the planets, and Matt's traveling in the black hole ultimately not necessary. | ||
Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
On November 18 2014 11:41 Xiphos wrote: The idea that Nolan was trying to make everybody understand is that the Tesserac is a machine build by the future mankind in order for Matthew to communicate w/ Jessica's character in the 5th dimension at the exact space to construct the machine in the first place. However, this means that the people of the future was able to survive despite Matt + Ann's character making it or not makes it so that the entire journey through the wormhole, to the planets, and Matt's traveling in the black hole ultimately not necessary. My thoughts: + Show Spoiler + Humanity survives, but is not left in a good state. Probably lots of people died, and the few that survived did so in a broken and battered world, suffering greatly. Eventually they get back on their feet and achieve great science, but wish to use the tesseract to allow their past ancestors to not follow the same route. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
I'm pretty sure the idea is that the future can affect the past and paradoxes are possible. The whole idea of his daughters room and the aliens is based on that. Yes, by our logic the wormhole is a paradox, but so is he going back and having an influence on her, or when he touches the other astrounaut in the wormhole, etc. It's not the kind of universe where going back either creates an alternate timeline or where it's impossible to change the past. It's more like a deterministic universe where everything future beings "alter" in the past is part of history. There is no version where the past isn't changed, if something isn't "changed" it simply won't be. So basically the future humans didn't really change the past to save the future, that's just how it happens. In the same way Cooper didn't really change his past in the Tesseract, he just discovered how the past happened. | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
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ETisME
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Not as good as the prestige imo but it is personal preference. It delivers an amazing magnificent unmatched by any movie in history. The music and the effects blow my mind. Nolan did a lot of nice editing that gives different scenes a totally different atmosphere such as changing the aspect ratio. I might watch it one more time | ||
kwizach
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On November 18 2014 11:41 Xiphos wrote: The idea that Nolan was trying to make everybody understand is that the Tesserac is a machine build by the future mankind in order for Matthew to communicate w/ Jessica's character in the 5th dimension at the exact space to construct the machine in the first place. However, this means that the people of the future was able to survive despite Matt + Ann's character making it or not makes it so that the entire journey through the wormhole, to the planets, and Matt's traveling in the black hole ultimately not necessary. [spoilers ahead] No, I don't think that's correct. The only reason the people of the future exist is that Cooper's journey and sending of the black hole information to Murph was successful. The fact that these future humans helped Cooper achieve this is simply a time paradox in the movie. I enjoyed the movie, although it was a bit heavy-handed at times (especially on the theme of love), but I was hoping for a bit more. Nolan didn't really contribute anything new to the genre (except perhaps the visuals of the "tesseract" at the end). | ||
Faust852
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On November 18 2014 12:56 SKC wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty sure the idea is that the future can affect the past and paradoxes are possible. The whole idea of his daughters room and the aliens is based on that. Yes, by our logic the wormhole is a paradox, but so is he going back and having an influence on her, or when he touches the other astrounaut in the wormhole, etc. It's not the kind of universe where going back either creates an alternate timeline or where it's impossible to change the past. It's more like a deterministic universe where everything future beings "alter" in the past is part of history. There is no version where the past isn't changed, if something isn't "changed" it simply won't be. So basically the future humans didn't really change the past to save the future, that's just how it happens. In the same way Cooper didn't really change his past in the Tesseract, he just discovered how the past happened. The wormhole isn't a paradox, I think you are thinking about the black hole (which I shall get back to that). If you to reach to position Y from position X as quickly as possible, a 3-dimensional fold is certainly one way to do that. The problem is that the wormhole occurring at the exact spot where the mankind wants to be, that's really convenient. Let's get back to the black hole, that's where the "fiction" part of the story came from, or what film critics would call "Deux Ex Machine" for several reasons: + Show Spoiler + 1. It conveniently made Matt's character to arrive at the exact spot where the writer wants him to be to solve the Ghost event in the beginning of the movie so that he can give his daughter the necessary information to render the Earth 5th dimension (which I shall get back to later). 2. The chance that Matthew's character could even survive the gravitational pull of the black hole in order to arrive in the Tesserac in the first place is highly hyperbolic. 3. The result that the other side of the black hole lead Matthew's character to our solar system is a device to save the main character. 4. And even if Matthew's character end up there conveniently, it must be a long time before being rescued, what are the chances of him surviving w/ limited O2 supply and the chances of getting hit by a comet/asteroid before being discovered? I wouldn't bet my money on it. For any people that want to see the movie, it is better to go there shutting off your logical brain in the third act. For the movie to make sense to you, you just have to make sense of its conveniences. In respond to kwizach and Coppermantis' on the 5th dimensional space that the mankind somehow ended up unlocking. This assumes a two things: + Show Spoiler + 1. The people of the 5th dimension doesn't need any food supplies because even though you unlocked another dimension, the other dimensional need to survive is still there. This goes back to the basic science of Law of Conservation of Energy. You still need food to survive. So unless the mankind have fixed the whole dust problems on Earth, they are on another planet. 5th dimensional unlocking doesn't solve hunger problems. 2. So Mathew's character end up going to another planet where the weather isn't as harsh as on Earth. In the film, they mentioned "Cooper Station". Could this station be on Earth depends on whether or not the Earth scientists have solved the weather problem or not. This means that regardless of whether Matthew + Hathaway's character making it not, the mankind will eventually find another mean which makes our emotional investment to be futile. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The wormhole is a paradox because it was created by the evolved humans in the future to save the humans in the past. It wasn't a random natural occurance. And they not only created the wormhole, they were actually interacting with NASA and sending some limited information through the wormhole, NASA just thought they were aliens. Cooper Station is also explicitly shown not being on earth. Cooper even steals a spaceship and flies off into space. It seems to be the ship/one of the ships the humanity takes to leave Earth behind. | ||
kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 19 2014 00:23 Xiphos wrote: In respond to kwizach and Coppermantis' on the 5th dimensional space that the mankind somehow ended up unlocking. This assumes a two things: 1. The people of the 5th dimension doesn't need any food supplies because even though you unlocked another dimension, the other dimensional need to survive is still there. This goes back to the basic science of Law of Conservation of Energy. You still need food to survive. So unless the mankind have fixed the whole dust problems on Earth, they are on another planet. 5th dimensional unlocking doesn't solve hunger problems. 2. So Mathew's character end up going to another planet where the weather isn't as harsh as on Earth. In the film, they mentioned "Cooper Station". Could this station be on Earth depends on whether or not the Earth scientists have solved the weather problem or not. This means that regardless of whether Matthew + Hathaway's character making it not, the mankind will eventually find another mean which makes our emotional investment to be futile. [spoilers ahead] The reason mankind is fine when Cooper wakes up in the hospital at the end of the movie is that his daughter managed to unlock the time/space equation thanks to the data Cooper sent up through the tesseract (and into the old watch). Solving the equation granted mankind mastery over the force of gravity, thus allowing it to control ecosystems in such a way as to insure that the hunger problem was solved. Cooper's journey is therefore not useless at all - it is thanks to Cooper that his daughter received the data which allowed her to solve the equation and save mankind. | ||
LostWraithSC
United States111 Posts
On November 18 2014 12:56 SKC wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty sure the idea is that the future can affect the past and paradoxes are possible. The whole idea of his daughters room and the aliens is based on that. Yes, by our logic the wormhole is a paradox, but so is he going back and having an influence on her, or when he touches the other astrounaut in the wormhole, etc. It's not the kind of universe where going back either creates an alternate timeline or where it's impossible to change the past. It's more like a deterministic universe where everything future beings "alter" in the past is part of history. There is no version where the past isn't changed, if something isn't "changed" it simply won't be. So basically the future humans didn't really change the past to save the future, that's just how it happens. In the same way Cooper didn't really change his past in the Tesseract, he just discovered how the past happened. + Show Spoiler + This guys gets it. The movie presents a deterministic universe, where time is a dimension that can be traversed in the future just like space is now for us. There is no causality in such a world. | ||
c0ldfusion
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c0ldfusion
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On November 18 2014 10:38 BurningSera wrote: Well i didnt bother to open a thread on this, my review on my blog already up. Long story short, this is defo not the best work from Nolan(s) but it has to be the most emotional work from him/them. I am a big fan of chris so i watched it on the 2nd day when it came out. Gravity maybe was spectacular and breathtaking; Interstellar is pure.... intensity and simply magnificent. The important thing about this movie is that you dont need any astrophysics prior watching it, nolan(s) spent 3 seconds explaining wormhole so their story telling ability is serious some top class shit. It is about family love and i cried for so long for different scenes. It is a very exhausting when i walked from the cinema lol. All in all, if you need a line to decide whether you should watch it or not and you don't mind some mild spoiler: + Show Spoiler + It is technically a remake of Armageddon, funnily enough that was from michael bay rofl Pretty pointless to compare to gravity as well because look back of it gravity was all about that visuals really. and chris said that he prevented himself to watch gravity since he was working on this project (that he would watch after he finished this). You cried watching this? I honestly don't get why Nolan even spends any time on this human interest stuff. It's not his strong suit. | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On November 19 2014 00:45 kwizach wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2014 00:23 Xiphos wrote: In respond to kwizach and Coppermantis' on the 5th dimensional space that the mankind somehow ended up unlocking. This assumes a two things: 1. The people of the 5th dimension doesn't need any food supplies because even though you unlocked another dimension, the other dimensional need to survive is still there. This goes back to the basic science of Law of Conservation of Energy. You still need food to survive. So unless the mankind have fixed the whole dust problems on Earth, they are on another planet. 5th dimensional unlocking doesn't solve hunger problems. 2. So Mathew's character end up going to another planet where the weather isn't as harsh as on Earth. In the film, they mentioned "Cooper Station". Could this station be on Earth depends on whether or not the Earth scientists have solved the weather problem or not. This means that regardless of whether Matthew + Hathaway's character making it not, the mankind will eventually find another mean which makes our emotional investment to be futile. [spoilers ahead] The reason mankind is fine when Cooper wakes up in the hospital at the end of the movie is that his daughter managed to unlock the time/space equation thanks to the data Cooper sent up through the tesseract (and into the old watch). Solving the equation granted mankind mastery over the force of gravity, thus allowing it to control ecosystems in such a way as to insure that the hunger problem was solved. Cooper's journey is therefore not useless at all - it is thanks to Cooper that his daughter received the data which allowed her to solve the equation and save mankind. I think I know what direction you are getting at and I can offer a better explanation using more concrete science. The film assumes that we are bounded by the 4th dimension in time. That mankind can't control time in 4 dimensions but the 5th dimensional people can. But however on the gravity portion of the film, it was only stated that the 5D people can only communicate w/ the 4D ones w/ gravity because gravity is the constant b/w the realms, not that 5D people can manipulate it. And through the 5th dimensional ability to control time, they were somehow able to go back in time to prevent the dust problems by creating an alternative timeline. It relies on the mechanics that w/ enough time, they could've have solved the hunger problem that is they didn't just abandon Earth and transferred people elsewhere. That means that number 2 still stands. Further details here: It also assumes that w/ Matthew's character telling her daughter the equation to render everything in 5th dimension. But the question arises is how does Matthew's character know the equation by entering into the black hole. That have never been explained. The movie could have been more consistent. In some scene, the characters gives a very grounded explanation on their decisions for the audience to digest. However on other scenes, they didn't nearly explain as much as they should have. If they added Neil Tyson's explanation on the difference b/w 4D and 5D, the movie could have flown a bit better. Or they added some explanation of how the 4D people was able construct a mechanism to arrive at 5D instead of skimming over it, the movie could've have been more believable. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
There is a single timeline. The 5th dimension future humans can interact with the timeline from outside, as he explains in the video, and alter things in the past. Those alterations were always there, you just didn't know it. There wasn't an older version where something else happened. There wasn't an alternate universe where Cooper's daughter didn't see a ghost in her room. It doesn't make sense for us because we think we, or anything else, needs to move from the past to the present and are unable to control it, but that's just how it works in the movie. Time doesn't follow that rule. Imagine if you could only walk forwards in a line, starting at zero. Then someone that lived 1km forwards and could teleport anywhere in the line jumped to the 100m point in the line and said hi. That doesn't mean the line branches into two lines, one where he said hi, one where noone appeared. You just know that during you "walkline" someone appeared ath the 100m point, and with enough movement forward, you end up meeting them again in the 1km point. Not sure if that's a good analogy but it just shows how we can't think of time in the same way as other dimensions. Someone that could see time as another dimension wouldn't need to care about causality and paradoxes like we do. Nowhere does it even imply that changes to the timeline create a divergent universe where the future is diferent. It's the opposite, because if that were true, the Cooper that alters the past to send the NASA coordinates and the equation. There is no need for the people of the present, without outside interference, to survive to become the people of the future. In the only timeline that exists the people of the present are saved by the people form the future. | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
We know that AFTER Cooper returned, the mankind lived in a peaceful setting and Ann's character didn't return but went to her lover's planet. This means that unless the 12 crews they have sent returned back and brought everybody to a habitable planet, mankind have a figured out a way to combat the hunger problems by themselves thus could still manage by themselves despite of what Cooper + Ann's character's result. I guess this is where the "paradox" comes from. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
The ending implies that humanity moved on to Ann's planet. It's like those Doctor Who episodes where he gets a message from his past self giving him something he needs, then he goes back in time and sends the message to make sure he gets it. Except there is no possibility of him not doing it and alter the timeline. | ||
Xiphos
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Also known as: To go back in time, make a different decision and change the consequences. On the ending, I'm not so sure about that. Ann clearly didn't to the black hole, therefore she couldn't have "unlocked" the 5D. But however mankind are all living in the 5D universe. And we see her using the DNA samples to recreate the humanity, AKA following up with plan B and we don't see her interacting with anyone else. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
Copper could not have decided not to fly into space, not to enter to black hole or not to tell his daughter the necessary information. The universe dictates that it will happen that way. She also isn't the 5D people. The 5D people are evolved humans thousands or millions or years in the future, who knows. It isn't explained. | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
This means that by entering into 5D doesn't actually mean that you can alter the hunger problem at Earth. So the information that Cooper have sent to his daughter ultimately doesn't help the mankind to survive. If the 5D took many years to evolve but this is to assume that mankind survive until then because during the movie, it was mentioned that humanity can only survive until the next generation. | ||
SKC
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Xiphos
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Up to some point, the movie did such an awesome job at explaining the fundamental laws of physics. But afterward, Nolan just said "Fuck it, being in a confined 5D coffin probably means that you know how to solve meteorology problems. The audience won't get to hear any of those cool explanation of the current situation from early on, everything from now on will be quickly skimmed over with some cool shots I thought of." | ||
SKC
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Xiphos
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SKC
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They couldn't send any information towards Ann, the same way they couldn't really communicate with Dr. Mann and co., and I don't know exactly how it worked in regards to time dilatation, she lost a lot of years in that blackhole maneuver, but in the ending Cooper was flying towards Ann's character while she was unnaware that Plan A was a sucess. | ||
1godless
United States247 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It was a little strange but to me what appeared to happen is Matthew goes into the black hole allowing Ann to make it to her lover's planet. There, Ann has no clue what is happening elsewhere in the universe so she logically proceeds with plan B, growing the human race from the vials she brought. Meanwhile, Matthew falls into the blackhole and enters the tesseract, or what have you, that was created for him by the 5d human beings of the future. In this state Matthew interacts with his daughter and sends her both the coordinates for NASA as well as the information he acquired in the black hole. This allows his daughter to solve the anti-gravity formula thus providing humanity with the ability to manipulate gravity. With this technology plan A can move forward. Matthew regains consciousness on a space station powered by this formula, his daughter is now an old woman since he experienced time dilation on the ocean world. But, she received his message years earlier due to the nature of the tesseract, and in the interim has used the information to build the station and leave earth with humanity. Ann is still young since she went through the same dilation effects as Matthew and it ends with Matthew supposedly leaving to find her. The 5d people are the people that either... A. Successfully earth and then evolve on Ann's lover's planet B. The population Ann successfully raises on her planet It is heavily implied that the reality is A and that humanity leaves earth and survives. In terms of Causality I see it is as a self fulfilling paradox where the 5d humans of the future help Matthew in order to guarantee their own survival which was guaranteed only because they helped Matthew ad. infinitum Did I get that right? | ||
Xiphos
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- Mathew's character fall into BH. - He sent msgs to Jessica Chastain through the clock that Edmund's planet is potentially habitable. - Ann Hathaway continues on w/ plan B. - Mankind sends another ship to Edmund's planet and everybody migrates there. Those are to assume that Matt is really sending in that msg, and that by showing Ann Hathaway and mankind surviving together doesn't mean that they are occurring simultaneously. To be honest, the visual gem of the movie at the end definitely felt too fast paced at the end. The movie didn't show how the humanity ended up into 5D. It would have been a visual treat of actually seeing the 5th dimension start to appear right in front of the audience eyes and contains some type of plausible fictional explanation to satisfy the audience. It definitely feels like Chrisopher Nolan was in a rush to wrap things up. Especially how in the end when Murphy and Cooper meet. While Bustyn gave a good performance of how happy she was upon seeing Cooper, Matthew's facial expression remained much stoic. If that's the emotional payoff we are getting after the initial dramatic acting in the bed scene, this was somewhat anti-climatic. These are some concepts that I would have appreciated if Nolan explored further. Have 20 or so minutes of exposition of leading the audience through the process to 5D, and 10 or 15 minutes of Cooper having a family reunion because there is no way that a person wouldn't be ecstatic of meeting his offspring after that long as the movie have displayed. Btw, have the movie tanked or what? There have been minimal activities here in the thread in comparison to the Inception one. | ||
Belisarius
Australia6177 Posts
Mankind doesn't migrate to Edmund's world. Ann is clearly alone on Edmund's world when old Murphy dies, and Murphy telling Cooper to go find her implies that the scenes are simultaneous, or at least that she hasn't been rescued by that point. The point where old Murph dies is at least 70+ years after the point where she solves the equation. That means it's at least ~30+ years after earth was supposed to run out of food, so they probably went somewhere, but it can't be Edmund's world or they would have found Ann themselves. My personal guess is that they used antigravity to build farms in space, and used those to feed earth while slowly putting the planet's ecosystem back together, but it could be any of a whole bunch of possibilities. The info he sent through the watch was the "quantum data" TARS collected upon entering the black hole, which scientist-Murphy then used to solve the "gravity equation". It had nothing to do with Edmund's world. On the time dilation, talking about Cooper's time-dilation doesn't really make any sense because he would have experienced infinite dilation at the event horizon. He's basically just come back out whenever the 5D people dropped him. Ann, on the other hand, lost a lot of years doing the slingshot around the black hole, so it's reasonable that it would be a few months later for her when old Jessica dies. | ||
ETisME
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I wonder what's the scene is all about, why not just end with the scene where Cooper flies off instead? | ||
Fighter
Korea (South)1524 Posts
On November 19 2014 03:26 c0ldfusion wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2014 10:38 BurningSera wrote: Well i didnt bother to open a thread on this, my review on my blog already up. Long story short, this is defo not the best work from Nolan(s) but it has to be the most emotional work from him/them. I am a big fan of chris so i watched it on the 2nd day when it came out. Gravity maybe was spectacular and breathtaking; Interstellar is pure.... intensity and simply magnificent. The important thing about this movie is that you dont need any astrophysics prior watching it, nolan(s) spent 3 seconds explaining wormhole so their story telling ability is serious some top class shit. It is about family love and i cried for so long for different scenes. It is a very exhausting when i walked from the cinema lol. All in all, if you need a line to decide whether you should watch it or not and you don't mind some mild spoiler: + Show Spoiler + It is technically a remake of Armageddon, funnily enough that was from michael bay rofl Pretty pointless to compare to gravity as well because look back of it gravity was all about that visuals really. and chris said that he prevented himself to watch gravity since he was working on this project (that he would watch after he finished this). You cried watching this? I honestly don't get why Nolan even spends any time on this human interest stuff. It's not his strong suit. I saw this with a girl and she cried at like three different points in the movie. I found the film mildly touching. But I did really enjoy it. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On November 19 2014 06:42 SKC wrote: She didn't know plan A was sucessful. They split up. She saw Cooper drop into a blackhole. She procceded with plan B. At the same time, Cooper was feeding Earth the information, but they still took ages to get there. His daughter was very old when they were on the way to Ann's planet. They couldn't send any information towards Ann, the same way they couldn't really communicate with Dr. Mann and co., and I don't know exactly how it worked in regards to time dilatation, she lost a lot of years in that blackhole maneuver, but in the ending Cooper was flying towards Ann's character while she was unnaware that Plan A was a sucess. I am not sure if that really happened like what you said, caused' we are not explicitly told in the movie about that. I am more inclined to believe to that they already sent some more people to help out Anne (hence setting up the camp) due to they figured out how to do space travelling efficiently now solving the formula and that murph knew that Anne is still 'single' so she told cooper to go get her (so cheesey, but ya). The bigger population of people are now travelling to Anne's planet in that space station. The most intriguing part of the whole movie is that: Assuming the time point when Cooper entered 5th dimension was the only and only one (from there we can see that Cooper was looking at so many different time points of Murph's life in the Tesseract), which space/time point exactly were we watching for the first 1.5hour of the film? Technically Nolan can make up 10 versions of the first 1.5hour of the film and release 10 different versions of Interstellar rofl. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On November 19 2014 22:49 Fighter wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2014 03:26 c0ldfusion wrote: On November 18 2014 10:38 BurningSera wrote: Well i didnt bother to open a thread on this, my review on my blog already up. Long story short, this is defo not the best work from Nolan(s) but it has to be the most emotional work from him/them. I am a big fan of chris so i watched it on the 2nd day when it came out. Gravity maybe was spectacular and breathtaking; Interstellar is pure.... intensity and simply magnificent. The important thing about this movie is that you dont need any astrophysics prior watching it, nolan(s) spent 3 seconds explaining wormhole so their story telling ability is serious some top class shit. It is about family love and i cried for so long for different scenes. It is a very exhausting when i walked from the cinema lol. All in all, if you need a line to decide whether you should watch it or not and you don't mind some mild spoiler: + Show Spoiler + It is technically a remake of Armageddon, funnily enough that was from michael bay rofl Pretty pointless to compare to gravity as well because look back of it gravity was all about that visuals really. and chris said that he prevented himself to watch gravity since he was working on this project (that he would watch after he finished this). You cried watching this? I honestly don't get why Nolan even spends any time on this human interest stuff. It's not his strong suit. I saw this with a girl and she cried at like three different points in the movie. I found the film mildly touching. But I did really enjoy it. Distance/separation+love/family hit me so hard in all media anyway lol. Only when they were delivered in a very high quality though. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 19 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2014 06:42 SKC wrote: She didn't know plan A was sucessful. They split up. She saw Cooper drop into a blackhole. She procceded with plan B. At the same time, Cooper was feeding Earth the information, but they still took ages to get there. His daughter was very old when they were on the way to Ann's planet. They couldn't send any information towards Ann, the same way they couldn't really communicate with Dr. Mann and co., and I don't know exactly how it worked in regards to time dilatation, she lost a lot of years in that blackhole maneuver, but in the ending Cooper was flying towards Ann's character while she was unnaware that Plan A was a sucess. I am not sure if that really happened like what you said, caused' we are not explicitly told in the movie about that. I am more inclined to believe to that they already sent some more people to help out Anne (hence setting up the camp) due to they figured out how to do space travelling efficiently now solving the formula and that murph knew that Anne is still 'single' so she told cooper to go get her (so cheesey, but ya). The bigger population of people are now travelling to Anne's planet in that space station. The most intriguing part of the whole movie is that: Assuming the time point when Cooper entered 5th dimension was the only and only one (from there we can see that Cooper was looking at so many different time points of Murph's life in the Tesseract), which space/time point exactly were we watching for the first 1.5hour of the film? Technically Nolan can make up 10 versions of the first 1.5hour of the film and release 10 different versions of Interstellar rofl. They "lost" 70 years in the wormhole manuever and 20 years in the water planet. The timeline fits a scenario where Amelia had not arriver at the planet for long, if we consider his daughter is around 100 when she dies. I felt the scene of Amelia setting up camp was the Plan B procedure, and it wasn't a flashback, it happened while Cooper was at the station, or at least fairly close to that point in time. It also makes for a better romantic storyline, the hero she thought was dead somehow arrives soon after her to help set up the colony, not decades later in an established colony to meet a middle aged or older woman. In my mind Cooper Station is the first vessel towards the new planet and Cooper takes the ship to arrive there a bit earlier than the rest, while Amelia is alone either still setting things up or in stasis. A lot of it is left quite open, and the fact Cooper's daughter surviving some extra time in an stasis chamber to prolong her lifespan makes it hard to nail down a timeframe, but the main point of the post was still that Amelia went with Plan B because she didn't know Plan A succeded, not because it failed. | ||
Garaman
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On November 19 2014 23:27 SKC wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2014 23:02 BurningSera wrote: On November 19 2014 06:42 SKC wrote: She didn't know plan A was sucessful. They split up. She saw Cooper drop into a blackhole. She procceded with plan B. At the same time, Cooper was feeding Earth the information, but they still took ages to get there. His daughter was very old when they were on the way to Ann's planet. They couldn't send any information towards Ann, the same way they couldn't really communicate with Dr. Mann and co., and I don't know exactly how it worked in regards to time dilatation, she lost a lot of years in that blackhole maneuver, but in the ending Cooper was flying towards Ann's character while she was unnaware that Plan A was a sucess. I am not sure if that really happened like what you said, caused' we are not explicitly told in the movie about that. I am more inclined to believe to that they already sent some more people to help out Anne (hence setting up the camp) due to they figured out how to do space travelling efficiently now solving the formula and that murph knew that Anne is still 'single' so she told cooper to go get her (so cheesey, but ya). The bigger population of people are now travelling to Anne's planet in that space station. The most intriguing part of the whole movie is that: Assuming the time point when Cooper entered 5th dimension was the only and only one (from there we can see that Cooper was looking at so many different time points of Murph's life in the Tesseract), which space/time point exactly were we watching for the first 1.5hour of the film? Technically Nolan can make up 10 versions of the first 1.5hour of the film and release 10 different versions of Interstellar rofl. They "lost" 70 years in the wormhole manuever and 20 years in the water planet. The timeline fits a scenario where Amelia had not arriver at the planet for long, if we consider his daughter is around 100 when she dies. I felt the scene of Amelia setting up camp was the Plan B procedure, and it wasn't a flashback, it happened while Cooper was at the station, or at least fairly close to that point in time. In my mind Cooper Station is the first vessel towards the new planet and Cooper takes the ship to arrive there a bit earlier than the rest, while Amelia is alone either still setting things up or in stasis. A lot of it is left quite open, and the fact Cooper's daughter surviving some extra time in an stasis chamber to prolong her lifespan makes it hard to nail down a timeframe, but the main point of the post was still that Amelia went with Plan B because she didn't know Plan A succeded, not because it failed. We really cant pinpoint the timeframe ye. And yes she assumed that she should proceed with Plan B after she saw cooper was gone. But the last scene of Anne felt like she later gets contacted by earth (some time prior cooper's waking up) and cooper simply just flew off (lol at the technician) to find Anne gave me the impression that she is not far from the space station. They have cooper's house etc for exhibition also made me believe that this is not the first ship they are heading to Anne's planet, or this space station now has been serving as a middle stop between earth and the planet (for some time now). | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6177 Posts
If humanity has made it off earth and built a somewhat stable existence through the wormhole, it's kind of absurd that they would not have found Anne themselves. Even if they didn't know she was on Edmund's world, it seems really unlikely that nobody thought to go check out the Lazarus sites in 40+ years of being there. If Anne had been found/contacted, she would not be proceeding with plan B. There's no reason to continue a population bomb if humanity gets off earth, especially if humanity gets off earth and settles on the same planet she's pop-bombing. If they have not found/contacted her, Murphy really shouldn't have any idea that Anne is alive and alone. In particular, there's no way she could expect that Anne survived but that Doyle and Romilly did not. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On November 20 2014 06:58 Belisarius wrote: Honestly, it's hard to come up with a series of events in which the Cooper-looking-for-Anne thing works. If humanity has made it off earth and built a somewhat stable existence through the wormhole, it's kind of absurd that they would not have found Anne themselves. Even if they didn't know she was on Edmund's world, it seems really unlikely that nobody thought to go check out the Lazarus sites in 40+ years of being there. If Anne had been found/contacted, she would not be proceeding with plan B. There's no reason to continue a population bomb if humanity gets off earth, especially if humanity gets off earth and settles on the same planet she's pop-bombing. If they have not found/contacted her, Murphy really shouldn't have any idea that Anne is alive and alone. In particular, there's no way she could expect that Anne survived but that Doyle and Romilly did not. 68 years passed for everyone else. Matthew and Anne are both roughly the same age. | ||
kwizach
3658 Posts
On November 19 2014 03:50 Xiphos wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2014 00:45 kwizach wrote: On November 19 2014 00:23 Xiphos wrote: In respond to kwizach and Coppermantis' on the 5th dimensional space that the mankind somehow ended up unlocking. This assumes a two things: 1. The people of the 5th dimension doesn't need any food supplies because even though you unlocked another dimension, the other dimensional need to survive is still there. This goes back to the basic science of Law of Conservation of Energy. You still need food to survive. So unless the mankind have fixed the whole dust problems on Earth, they are on another planet. 5th dimensional unlocking doesn't solve hunger problems. 2. So Mathew's character end up going to another planet where the weather isn't as harsh as on Earth. In the film, they mentioned "Cooper Station". Could this station be on Earth depends on whether or not the Earth scientists have solved the weather problem or not. This means that regardless of whether Matthew + Hathaway's character making it not, the mankind will eventually find another mean which makes our emotional investment to be futile. [spoilers ahead] The reason mankind is fine when Cooper wakes up in the hospital at the end of the movie is that his daughter managed to unlock the time/space equation thanks to the data Cooper sent up through the tesseract (and into the old watch). Solving the equation granted mankind mastery over the force of gravity, thus allowing it to control ecosystems in such a way as to insure that the hunger problem was solved. Cooper's journey is therefore not useless at all - it is thanks to Cooper that his daughter received the data which allowed her to solve the equation and save mankind. I think I know what direction you are getting at and I can offer a better explanation using more concrete science. The film assumes that we are bounded by the 4th dimension in time. That mankind can't control time in 4 dimensions but the 5th dimensional people can. But however on the gravity portion of the film, it was only stated that the 5D people can only communicate w/ the 4D ones w/ gravity because gravity is the constant b/w the realms, not that 5D people can manipulate it. And through the 5th dimensional ability to control time, they were somehow able to go back in time to prevent the dust problems by creating an alternative timeline. It relies on the mechanics that w/ enough time, they could've have solved the hunger problem that is they didn't just abandon Earth and transferred people elsewhere. That means that number 2 still stands. Further details here: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1cexcjdyIE It also assumes that w/ Matthew's character telling her daughter the equation to render everything in 5th dimension. But the question arises is how does Matthew's character know the equation by entering into the black hole. That have never been explained. The movie could have been more consistent. In some scene, the characters gives a very grounded explanation on their decisions for the audience to digest. However on other scenes, they didn't nearly explain as much as they should have. If they added Neil Tyson's explanation on the difference b/w 4D and 5D, the movie could have flown a bit better. Or they added some explanation of how the 4D people was able construct a mechanism to arrive at 5D instead of skimming over it, the movie could've have been more believable. As SKC explained, there is only one timeline. McConaughey's character knows the data he sends Murph because his robot recorded it when it also went through the black hole. Cooper directly asks the robot if it has the data, and the robot says it does and begins transmitting it to Cooper, who then translates it into Morse code (or binary, can't remember) into his old watch (thanks to his control of gravity through the tesseract), for Murph to find. I personally don't think this needed any more explaining in the movie - it all felt pretty straightforward and every step was explained thoroughly. So, as I told you earlier, Cooper's journey was absolutely necessary to save mankind, since he transmits the black hole information to Murph, allowing her to solve the equation, allowing mankind to escape hunger/Earth. The time "paradox" in the movie was that the future humans needed Cooper to complete his journey in order to exist, but Cooper needed the future humans' help in order to complete his journey (and even to begin it). That is a paradox when we look at time the way we usually do. | ||
Belisarius
Australia6177 Posts
On November 20 2014 07:54 c0ldfusion wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2014 06:58 Belisarius wrote: Honestly, it's hard to come up with a series of events in which the Cooper-looking-for-Anne thing works. If humanity has made it off earth and built a somewhat stable existence through the wormhole, it's kind of absurd that they would not have found Anne themselves. Even if they didn't know she was on Edmund's world, it seems really unlikely that nobody thought to go check out the Lazarus sites in 40+ years of being there. If Anne had been found/contacted, she would not be proceeding with plan B. There's no reason to continue a population bomb if humanity gets off earth, especially if humanity gets off earth and settles on the same planet she's pop-bombing. If they have not found/contacted her, Murphy really shouldn't have any idea that Anne is alive and alone. In particular, there's no way she could expect that Anne survived but that Doyle and Romilly did not. 68 years passed for everyone else. Matthew and Anne are both roughly the same age. ...that has nothing to do with anything in my post. I know they are the same age. | ||
c0ldfusion
United States8292 Posts
On November 20 2014 08:23 Belisarius wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2014 07:54 c0ldfusion wrote: On November 20 2014 06:58 Belisarius wrote: Honestly, it's hard to come up with a series of events in which the Cooper-looking-for-Anne thing works. If humanity has made it off earth and built a somewhat stable existence through the wormhole, it's kind of absurd that they would not have found Anne themselves. Even if they didn't know she was on Edmund's world, it seems really unlikely that nobody thought to go check out the Lazarus sites in 40+ years of being there. If Anne had been found/contacted, she would not be proceeding with plan B. There's no reason to continue a population bomb if humanity gets off earth, especially if humanity gets off earth and settles on the same planet she's pop-bombing. If they have not found/contacted her, Murphy really shouldn't have any idea that Anne is alive and alone. In particular, there's no way she could expect that Anne survived but that Doyle and Romilly did not. 68 years passed for everyone else. Matthew and Anne are both roughly the same age. ...that has nothing to do with anything in my post. I know they are the same age. What I'm trying to say is that it could be your first scenario, except in the 68 years in between there was nothing on that planet other than Edmund's remains. Anne landed there roughly around the time that Matthew was found. Also, all things considered they probably spent all that time getting humans off earth. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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figq
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On November 20 2014 01:28 nkr wrote: hahahahaincontrol is a good actor, who knew | ||
LilClinkin
Australia667 Posts
I think the film is bloated and overly long and self-indulgent. It could have been cut down to 2 hours running time easily. A lot of the setting is poorly explained and is self-contradictory within the universe that Nolan is trying to present. He tries to build a believable world, however he broke my suspension of disbelief countless times. I don't think the way he played with time as a 4th or 5th dimensional construct was clever...countless films have done it before, they just rarely present it in such an in-your-face manner. The film is constantly trying to justify how smart it is to the audience by explaining itself through unrealistic dialogue, for instance, explaining how a wormhole works (as if a former NASA pilot doesn't already know this) or explaining the significance of the name of the Lazarus project. Having said that, there were some emotionally interesting scenes such as when MM is looking at recordings from his children, but these are ruined by emotionally flat scenes trying to tie back into science such as claiming Love is...well, I'll just avoid spoilers for those who haven't seen it. If you like LOUD NOISES and COOL VISUALS go and watch Cosmos instead. It's also scientifically accurate! | ||
Emnjay808
United States10625 Posts
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riotjune
United States3357 Posts
"No. It's necessary." About the most impactful scene in the entire movie, with some nice dramatic music to go along with it. Way to capture the survival instinct, as in if this wasn't done they will die right here and now. Other than that I took the movie for what it was: Bunch of pseudo-science mixed with nonsensical? explanations like what Inception was. Nice try Nolan, you almost had me convinced! Still, not a bad movie. | ||
rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
It's certainly not hard sci-fi but it's not space fantasy either or action non sense. I felt the scenario still tried to give a good role to science and honestly as far as SF blockbusters are concerned I cannot help but appreciate the part that is still presented because it's just too rare. There was effort and a clear inspiration from science. The movie is visually really impressive. Nolan has a gift to make stuff look real and blend fake with real. And if you don't try too hard to link what the movie shows to real world physics (or our understanding) the plot is enjoyable even though the ending became a little bit too emotional rather than truly exciting. Maybe I would have appreciated if the plot tried to be a little more down to earth about the search of a new planet and focus on that. The score is good and oh god did it made the scene when they leave the "ice cloud" planet feel epic*. Music may become a bit repetitive though. The child actor doing his daughter I found average but Matthew McConaughey gives a strong performance (please see Dallas Buyers Club if not already). I don't know if it truly deserves a 9 on imdb but I recommend it and may make the BR purchase for that one *Edit On November 22 2014 05:43 riotjune wrote: "This is not possible." "No. It's necessary." About the most impactful scene in the entire movie, with some nice dramatic music to go along with it. Way to capture the survival instinct, as in if this wasn't done they will die right here and now. Yes that was that scene ! Guess I'm not the only one On November 21 2014 13:21 Emnjay808 wrote: Can someone enlighten me what the "equation" Murphy solved was supposed to do? If my memory is correct, being able to send into space and through the wormhole a gigantic spaceship to save currently living humans (basically plan A). | ||
Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
A few lingering thoughts for discussion that I just wanted to get off my chest: - Earlier in the thread someone asked why wouldn't the humans on cooper station have found Anne Hathaway (Burk)? This is because she and Cooper are on the same timeline (the only thing that actually goes 'backwards' in time in the movie is the gravitational anomalies Cooper uses to communicate with his daughter). So in other words, she has probably only been on that planet for a few days just like Cooper was only on Cooper Station for a few days. There probably some off set due to him being in the black hole for a few hours (which takes up years for everyone else) and her flying in cryo sleep for a few years to get to the planet, but the bottom line is that if the Cooper Station humans went looking for her on that planet she wouldn't have been there yet. - People were asking where Cooper Station was. I was pretty sure when they showed Cooper floating in space after the tesserac collapsed, Saturn was in the back ground, along with the lights of the station. My understanding was that he was shot out of the wormhole. - I didn't really have an issue with all of the paradox stuff, black hole science, the tesserac, or any of the pseudo science really, but the big problems that kept annoying me were the logistics of how leaving earth was supposed to resolve a food or air shortage in any way. So say Burk and Cooper go to their new planet that has breathable air and drinkable water with their population bomb to repopulate the species. Ok. So you've solved the genetic diversity problem. How about the food problem? You are on a planet that has air and water but no plants or animals for you to eat. The only source of food you will have is your humans you are growing in those tubes! Furthermore, without those plants and animals to recycle the carbon dioxide you exhale back into oxygen, you are going to run out of air again! This new planet is going to have the exact issues you were facing on earth unless you brought a whole Noah's Ark full of population bombs to rebuild an entire biosphere. And how did humans survive on Cooper Station in any way that would be more beneficial than just staying on Earth? Ok, with Coop's transmission from the black hole, Murph is able to 'solve gravity' and the human race can now build new technologies that allow them to manipulate gravity. This was important because it allows NASA to load up humanity in this giant station and leave earth with them. Ok, so now the human race is able to get away from the blight (which kills the food and air) and we see on the station that they have fields of food growing in conditions that simulate earth. They seem to have built a self sustaining ecosystem within the enclosed environment of the space station that protects them from the dangers of space. So why didn't they just build giant bubbles on earth that shield them from the dangers of the blight and build their self sustaining ecosystem there? Out in space they have no access to new resources that they didn't bring with them. If they built the same kind of enclosed habitat on-planet they would still have access to the Earth's abundant resources. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On November 22 2014 20:24 imJealous wrote: Overall I enjoyed the movie, though it certainly had some silly elements, I think the strongest feature of the movie and what ultimately caused me to leave with a positive feeling despite the issues is the strength of the relationship between Murph and Cooper and how well they show the emotional journey those two characters go through given the unusual course their lives take in the film. A few lingering thoughts for discussion that I just wanted to get off my chest: - Earlier in the thread someone asked why wouldn't the humans on cooper station have found Anne Hathaway (Burk)? This is because she and Cooper are on the same timeline (the only thing that actually goes 'backwards' in time in the movie is the gravitational anomalies Cooper uses to communicate with his daughter). So in other words, she has probably only been on that planet for a few days just like Cooper was only on Cooper Station for a few days. There probably some off set due to him being in the black hole for a few hours (which takes up years for everyone else) and her flying in cryo sleep for a few years to get to the planet, but the bottom line is that if the Cooper Station humans went looking for her on that planet she wouldn't have been there yet. - People were asking where Cooper Station was. I was pretty sure when they showed Cooper floating in space after the tesserac collapsed, Saturn was in the back ground, along with the lights of the station. My understanding was that he was shot out of the wormhole. - I didn't really have an issue with all of the paradox stuff, black hole science, the tesserac, or any of the pseudo science really, but the big problems that kept annoying me were the logistics of how leaving earth was supposed to resolve a food or air shortage in any way. So say Burk and Cooper go to their new planet that has breathable air and drinkable water with their population bomb to repopulate the species. Ok. So you've solved the genetic diversity problem. How about the food problem? You are on a planet that has air and water but no plants or animals for you to eat. The only source of food you will have is your humans you are growing in those tubes! Furthermore, without those plants and animals to recycle the carbon dioxide you exhale back into oxygen, you are going to run out of air again! This new planet is going to have the exact issues you were facing on earth unless you brought a whole Noah's Ark full of population bombs to rebuild an entire biosphere. And how did humans survive on Cooper Station in any way that would be more beneficial than just staying on Earth? Ok, with Coop's transmission from the black hole, Murph is able to 'solve gravity' and the human race can now build new technologies that allow them to manipulate gravity. This was important because it allows NASA to load up humanity in this giant station and leave earth with them. Ok, so now the human race is able to get away from the blight (which kills the food and air) and we see on the station that they have fields of food growing in conditions that simulate earth. They seem to have built a self sustaining ecosystem within the enclosed environment of the space station that protects them from the dangers of space. So why didn't they just build giant bubbles on earth that shield them from the dangers of the blight and build their self sustaining ecosystem there? Out in space they have no access to new resources that they didn't bring with them. If they built the same kind of enclosed habitat on-planet they would still have access to the Earth's abundant resources. you are not calculating in The duration cooper spent in the 5th dimension giving clues on solving the formula is years for earth time, as in many many many years (because the relativity of time, the closer you are near blackhole every minute equals longer earth time), in the movie they spent like 15mins on water planet = 3hours in actual movie time = 22years for the black dude waiting, so cooper spent longer than 15mins in that and plus every minute equals longer time since he is literally in the blackhole (some argument on alot of stuffs but lets keep it simple). Simply put, we dont know how many yearsssssss passed in earth time when cooper giving clues to murph, murph could have already successed to send the space station up right when/before cooper was shoot out from the 5th dimension (again keep in mind it can be minutes = yearsss while cooper was shooting out from blackhole). Hard to type on phone but hope my points are understandable And ya there are alot of conveniences in this film(not much of plot hole just because nolan), shooting out right outside saturn and get rescued before oxygen run out, some extraordinary formula can magically be transmitted through mosse code etc. The plant field in space station/food problem is explanable simply because earth environment is beyond fucked in the film, nothing they can do to grow plants as soon as the environment is within earth atmosphere (not even with whatever bubble shield etc), imagine some super uber plague blight | ||
Belisarius
Australia6177 Posts
The only way for him to get back is to be explicitly placed in time by the 5D dudes when they collapse the tesseract. That could be any time, but it appears to be roughly back in sync with Anne (NB: the character is Dr. Brand, not Burke). Personally, I don't think the movie deserves much criticism for pseudoscience. There's only a handful of things in it which aren't plausible. Compared to any other big-budget sci-fi, it's practically the discovery channel. The ones that made me wince were the whole "solving the gravity equation" rigmarole, and the "We need the quantum data / Did you get the quantum data" thing. Even then, it's really just the phrases. We don't have a theory of quantum gravity yet, so who knows, maybe we could float space stations if we did. I'm sure some measurements close to a black hole would help. The only actual howler I remember was the thing about dropping TARS into the hole so he could see the singularity and tell them what he saw. If you're actually falling into a black hole, there's no "other side". The black bit stays ahead of you, so you should never perceive yourself to reach the horizon. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On November 23 2014 23:35 SKC wrote: For me the weirdest thing was how easily they could move in and out of earth-like planets. They used a multi staged rocket to leave earth, similar to today's technology, and then a simple small ranger was enough to leave planets with atmosphere and higher gravity than earth. Yeah this also bugged me a bit. | ||
[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
On November 24 2014 04:53 NukeD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2014 23:35 SKC wrote: For me the weirdest thing was how easily they could move in and out of earth-like planets. They used a multi staged rocket to leave earth, similar to today's technology, and then a simple small ranger was enough to leave planets with atmosphere and higher gravity than earth. Yeah this also bugged me a bit. This may have been a fuel thing. The vehicle must have extraordinarily strong thrusters if they allowed them to travel along a blackhole, meaning that leaving the surface of a planet should be no issue. However, the number of times they can do this may be limited due to fuel storage. So in this case, rather than wasting fuel in the ship itself to leave planet earth, they caged the ship in temporarily and used a practice easily done via old conventional technologies. | ||
Godwrath
Spain10091 Posts
On November 23 2014 23:35 SKC wrote: For me the weirdest thing was how easily they could move in and out of earth-like planets. They used a multi staged rocket to leave earth, similar to today's technology, and then a simple small ranger was enough to leave planets with atmosphere and higher gravity than earth. Fuel. You want to use as much as you can from external sources before usign the ranger's fuel. | ||
sths
Australia192 Posts
"Lol silly great grand pa, everybody knows the other side of a black hole is a white hole. Wtf is this 5th dimension bullshit." | ||
B.I.G.
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I also think it's great that (hopefully) this movie sparks the interest of the people for the (imo) so amazingly interesting stuff scientists keep finding out about our lil' ol' universe every day. | ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On March 21 2015 23:06 B.I.G. wrote: Ok very late reply, just saw the movie only now but just wanted to drop in here and say it's amazing. Only once every few years a movie comes by that completely sucks me in and leaves me pondering for hours about what it all meant afterwards. Great job and I'm becoming a huge fan of McConaughey and Nolan. I also think it's great that (hopefully) this movie sparks the interest of the people for the (imo) so amazingly interesting stuff scientists keep finding out about our lil' ol' universe every day. I also watched it a couple of days ago, and was really pleasantly surprised (i hated gravity so i did not really know what to expect). There are so few legitimately good sci fi movies, and it was one of them | ||
Broetchenholer
Germany1821 Posts
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sths
Australia192 Posts
On March 22 2015 09:44 Broetchenholer wrote: Just saw Focus and was somewhat entertained, although the plot was quite easy to guess. Character development wasn't its best quality as well, so, for once i am on a page with the imdb rating. If we could just reduce stuff like Fury to the same rating, i would be a happy movie watcher. God damn it, I'm so sick of people confusing Matthew McConaughey and Will Smith. | ||
Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
Yeah, my brain says I should nit pick about plot holes and over-think some of the stuff in the movie. I have seen some false complaints about the science. Pretty sure that those that do seem to hold up are covered somehow by Kip Thorne, so what is the point of such an endeavor anyway? In the end this movie is touching. I don't know why I would want to take out a hammer and crush something in the rare occasion it is able to move me, as not many things are. Never thought I'd every cry because of a movie. Doubt it will happen again. | ||
rei
United States3593 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On April 29 2015 10:31 rei wrote: how come he didn't get spaghettified when he's inside the blackhole? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/11/neil-degrasse-tyson-breaks-down-interstellar-black-holes-time-dilations-and-massive-waves.html This is a good summary of the science behind Interstellar and the liberties they took with physics to tell the story. You could say they could have made things simpler but that's Nolan for you, making things confusing by trying really hard to explain them is like his hobby. Inception is 10 times more complicated than it should have been but it allowed people to praise Nolan for making up smart complicated movies. I loved most of his movies but I really think he tries too much to be clever and each of his films seem to be more convoluted than the last (except for the batman trilogy of course). | ||
Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
On April 29 2015 10:31 rei wrote: how come he didn't get spaghettified when he's inside the blackhole? You get spaghettified if the gravitational gradient is really big. Your head and feet will be in a gravitational field of different strengths. Think factor 100,000 in difference. So the force and acceleration on them will be different. This is true for a small black hole. You can make a really big one and then even beyond the event horizon, gravity is mild; low number of G's and barely any change in Gs for many kilometers. For a 'normal' black hole, G forces will be huge near the EH and just getting a bit more closer and it will increase it with a many multiples. It needs to go to infinity really quickly. Of course you need to get really close to the singularity and the EH will be tiny. It would be very easy to avoid a normal black hole. Even when you are in orbit around it, the odds that you actually orbit it through the EH are miniscule, as you might learn if you play KSP. Not sure how three habitable planets came to orbit a SMBH as those are at the center of galactic cores, where habitable planets are likely an impossibility. But then again, curing the blight is going to be 1000x simpler than building a wormhole. And the eagles could have brought Frodo to mount doom. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 30 2015 03:17 Alcathous wrote: But then again, curing the blight is going to be 1000x simpler than building a wormhole. And the eagles could have brought Frodo to mount doom. Easier for a human, maybe. Probably not for a 5th dimensional being that can't even separate singular moments in time. That's why everything that occurs in a specific moment in time is done by Cooper. It's all a stable time loop as well, meaning humanity migrating very much predicated advancements that allowed humans to become 5th dimensional and create wormholes and manipulate time/space at all. | ||
Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
But what I mean is that even in the current time-line, if a blight threatens to destroy civilization on earth, it is much easier to save civilization by curing the blight than by going interstellar. Pretty funny that a physicist needs a life science problem, that is a priori unsolvable, to lead into all the physics problems like 'solving gravity'. | ||
Erasme
Bahamas15893 Posts
On April 29 2015 10:31 rei wrote: how come he didn't get spaghettified when he's inside the blackhole? why arent they spaghettified on the first planet ? why didnt he die of old age before getting spaghettified before reaching the blackhole why is anne hattaway even in the movie ? how couldnt they see the immenses waves when they were landing ? how did his daughter figure out that his father was the ghost all along without new clues ? Good movie, too bad they didnt show the sky when they were on the water planet | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 30 2015 03:58 Alcathous wrote: In the end they conclude humans made the tessaract, not aliens. But what I mean is that even in the current time-line, if a blight threatens to destroy civilization on earth, it is much easier to save civilization by curing the blight than by going interstellar. Pretty funny that a physicist needs a life science problem, that is a priori unsolvable, to lead into all the physics problems like 'solving gravity'. It's kind of not. I mean, we have spacecraft that can get to Saturn already. We also have a wheat blight that's happening right now that hasn't been solved. Our crops are also becoming less and less genetically diverse as the decades progress, which makes crop diseases even worse. | ||
darthfoley
United States7999 Posts
Space is so beautiful and so is the essence of humanity (love); I've never seen a movie mix the two in such a smooth way. I know there are flaws but the emotional resonance I felt from the movie made up for it. Murph was by far my favorite character and she gave me so many feels. Tearful feels. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8727 Posts
On June 21 2015 05:27 darthfoley wrote: Just watched this for the first time yesterday... my emotional state is all over the map and i'm not sure what my takeaway is, other than I was completely blown away and it hit such a deep emotional nerve with me. Space is so beautiful and so is the essence of humanity (love); I've never seen a movie mix the two in such a smooth way. I know there are flaws but the emotional resonance I felt from the movie made up for it. Murph was by far my favorite character and she gave me so many feels. Tearful feels. Oh that scene where he's watching the messages T_T Man tears | ||
catplanetcatplanet
3817 Posts
i just watched it again on a tiny airplane screen and legitimately teared up a few times, it really was a love story after all still my favorite would still have to be the docking scene... amazing | ||
Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
On April 30 2015 04:12 Erasme wrote: why arent they spaghettified on the first planet ? A gravitation gradient that is too steep will spaghettify. The gravitational pull on your legs, or whatever is going in first, is going to be several magnitudes larger than that on your head. A supermassive blackhole has a gradient of about 0 for very large distances. Let alone the length of a person. In that context, think of gravity as moving straight ahead to very gently curved space-time. It is the same thing as us rotating around the center of our milky way. Every different from your nose moving 'down' with near infinite acceleration, while your face keeps moving straight forward until that point where it occupies the same space as your nose once did, meeting the same fate.. why didnt he die of old age before getting spaghettified before reaching the blackhole You need to age before you can die of old age. Not a lot of time passed in their FoR. how couldnt they see the immenses waves when they were landing ? I don't know if it is so easy to resolve mile high distances when in orbit. A better objection would be; why didn't they know a water planet around a supermassive black hole would have this problem? Or better yet; why wasn't the planet tidally locked in the first place? Because it would reach that equilibrium rather quickly in stellar timescales. how did his daughter figure out that his father was the ghost all along without new clues ? Love? Or bias. She was looking for an answer to the problem of gravity. Since childhood she already wrote down the messages that came in. When it was morse code on the watch that her father gave her, I guess movie-wise this leap can be made. Why bash a movie that got most scenes right and one or more wrong when most movies get all scenes wrong (Fast and the furious, Transformers, all Marvel movies, Jurassic World?) Good movie, too bad they didnt show the sky when they were on the water planet[/QUOTE] | ||
darthfoley
United States7999 Posts
Picked up on the subtle cue when Coop is driving off towards NASA after his tearful goodbye to Murph, and he lifts the blanket up hoping to see Murph hiding again. This film made me a big fan of McConaughey | ||
riotjune
United States3357 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Glad to see other people have the same feeling. Critical reception wasn't great for the film but I think it has strong merits. | ||
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