i had nothing to watch and my asshole friend was marathoning gots and breaking bads so i got jelly and had a look at top torrents and something called Black Sails came up
its a pirate tv series like .... well like game of thrones but with pirates and a couple dodgy choice of voice acting (why they pick people with like southern prick accents to be pirates?)
anyway its pretty cool and its fucking PIRATES series. just what i wanted.
its on season 2 now so i guess you better not say any spoilers coz im only on ep 3 of season 1 . or whatever, ill just not come back . wanted to share this tho coz fucking pirates
pls rename thread to "black sails" not "black sailrs" -.-
edit: maybe i cud be wrong about the voice acting, some of the characters could be children of nobles which might explain why they are posh
I watched the 1st season back when it was fresh and the most disappointing thing about it was only 8 episodes. Also barely anything happening on ships at sea, even though it's frickin' pirates! Plus I had no idea wtf was Vane's plot near the end of the season.
With that in mind I really like the show, I forgot it was cominng back in february! Another show to add back to my list!
vain's first man is like the game of thrones dwarf funny and witty,
his girlfriend was a shadow cloak killer but has become weak and fucked up as time went on, i feel like we caught the tail end of her cool period but the thing about these characters is you know they have a history which brought them where they are today.
the issue with this is when the show is unable to deliver this or forgets about it , for instance vain's crew were only portrayed as massive cocksuckers and we never were shown their solidarity or loyalty to one another.... we saw them challenge their captain a lot (iirc) but they were "needed" because apparently they are the only men available to form a crew for him. but then they are all killed and vain suddenly disowns his 1st mate (and i thought he was gonna kill him) saying he betrayed loyalty. but they were portrayed as unloyal pricks and also didnt he just fuck off to get a new crew? so yeah some disassociations going on there for me
vain is a boss
captain flint (main captain) is basically the guy from breaking bad. except you sort of come to realise he's always been crazy - its only recently that he's been pushed this far. having said that, dumping willy overboard seemed a bit too much. although willy was showing continual signs of distrust/unrest, it was still being mixed with signs that he was understanding of the necessity of the captain's methods so it wasn't too believable to me that the captain would suddenly lash out so suddenly when it didnt seem necessary. and also because willy was like THE top top guy on the ship , it should have been the BIGGEST deal when he died but it wasnt shown with enough impact. like i said, the show presents itself with a huge degree of "history" between the characters (they are pirate crew for years together) but often this is forgotten or not shown so when you get a top character offed like that it really needs to be portrayed in a non trivial fashion. you could argue that the crew are dying off all the time so no1 really cares but that doesnt make sense from any prospective.
posh blonde's acting/portrayal thankfully got better. i can't help but wonder if she could have been given a stronger line (more similar to captain flint) because she's described as "super strong" by vain but really she isn't that fiery and often just comes across as a nonce.
having said that, i loved how vain was portrayed with a soft side in the later episodes and it showed that he isn't so hardcore and can still be a retard about some things, which makes him liking posh bitch more believable, which in turn makes posh bitche's "soft line" personality more acceptable (vain "thinks" she is super cool but she is really a retard and so is he with regards to her)
i think the "scale" of the show could have been portrayed a bit better, although there are a ton of solid characters you get the impression that the pirate town is like 2 buildings and 30 people doing not a lot there. at least half the pirates were actually posh snobs instead of raving drunkard pillagers so they lost a lot of atmosphere there. you got blonde posh bitch ruling over a bunch of emo pirates - instead it could have been hardliner young bitch ruling over a ruthless mob whilst maintaining order amongst the captains. instead really everyone is a bit of an emo or snob lol.
the "realism" of the show could have been improved just by being a bit more subtle with props and effects imo. they had all the assets onscreen but turning them into a believable atmosphere involves making them appear like everyday mundane assets and not "feature assets". just a shitty example: water splashing into the ship with sound effects just as someone comes down the steps. fix: less water, less "in your face", produces a much more believable and atmospheric effect
well i guess the only thing i care about is why vain is so pissed off at his best friend 1st mate for killing his shitty crew who kept threatening him and were shit anyway. maybe it was because he stole the pearls or something? but i thought the pearls story was a set-up fabricated just to get the men alone so they could be killed? i guess if the 1st mate really was sneakily stealing from his comrades then it would give a very bad impression of him. did his girlfriend plant the pearls to frame him and force him to go along with her plan? that would explain why vain said "you betrayed your crew for a woman". but the woman is like top3 in the crew anyway i thought, although her "aloof" shadowed portrayal might account for her not being considered part of the man-crew and more of a passenger.
@StealthBlue i thought the ep8 killing was absolutely appropriate. by contrast i felt the william killing was a rather inappropriate and poorly portrayed. it would have had far greater impact if he was actually shown to be killed because you would understand
a) how captain flint flipped out in order for him to suddenly kill him when things werent going so badly at the time and "the letter" wasn't too incriminating because in my opinion it would be an easy thing for captain flint to deny ("my girlfriend is a fucking idiot dont listen to her, ill go talk to her and sort this out nm") instead of "fuck you william you are the most liked and long-lasting member of the crew and one of my most loyal servants ill just kill you when ive already recently managed to reason with you quite effectively"
b) if he had actually fell for real and not been killed then you would have to come to terms more with flint's dilemma of lying about some things but not lying about others
c) by showing nothing (no emotional justification, no death scene, practically zero aftermath) you get the impact of neither of these things whatsoever, and to make it even worse flint literally randomly admits to killing him a bit later so you dont even have the impact of wondering about this either way from then on (tho i still wonder if hes gonna show up on the island somewhere lol. but then whats the point of that? the captain already has 2 main surviving characters now knowing his secrets and hating him for it, what would be the point of bringing william back just to add to this - it would be tiresome)
it looks like there are 5 eps in s2 so far. SET COURSE FOR S2
On February 27 2015 19:56 TigerKarl wrote: I've come to like this show quite a bit, but i hope that they'd cut the lesbian brown gurrl. Makes me cringe hard, not actually hard.
It is made by same people as Spartacus. You can say they got too little of those things considering Spartacus :D
On March 23 2015 09:55 Just_a_Moth wrote: Next week is finale?
IMDB seems to think so, and actually even the current episode could had been a final. I don't see how the direction for the next season can change. Actually I think this was a show defining moment and it probably set the direction for many seasons :D
On March 30 2015 00:16 Gullis wrote: This series is fucking awesome:D the season finale was badass. Atm I rate this higher than both vikings and TWD
Well seeing as I haven't really enjoyed TWD like at all this season I agree with that. Vikings is pretty fucking awesome though. I'd say Black Sails and Vikings are about on par with each other, impossible to say which I like better really.
On March 30 2015 00:29 Just_a_Moth wrote: Don't know if I would rate it higher than Vikings but at least on par with it. And yeah the season finale was really good.
better writing (less predictable) and acting than vikings imho
also the intro is incredible, one of my all time favourites for sure
yeah, that intro, I still look those ivory sculptures with child's eyes, gives me shivers, that music too, very good.
I love Vikings, but I feel a bit that they are constantly slow playing stuff, even though a lot happens and months path between episodes sometimes. I think black sails gets a extremely well though plot, very consistent and at the same time, even the bigger stretch seems totally ok .
In vikings, I get sometimes disturbed by the "stupidity" of some character changing a win/win situation to a lose/lose...
On April 01 2015 05:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I found it cool simply because it was a prequel to Treasure Island with young Capn Flint and a 2 legged Long John Silver.
Will probably binge on season 2 once its complete.
i prefer this over vikings, somehow i stumbled upon black sails when the very first episode came out, and ive watched it every week on time since
On April 01 2015 05:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: I found it cool simply because it was a prequel to Treasure Island with young Capn Flint and a 2 legged Long John Silver.
Will probably binge on season 2 once its complete.
i think season 2 is a much bigger improvement to season 1, especially ep 9 & 10. dem chills
Dayum, season 2 blows season 1 out of the water. It had way more stuff in it, and especially it was way more "piratey". While season 1 was very good it didn't really feel like a pirate show, but that changed and season 2 had "Pirates!" all over it. The ending was awesome, can't wait for the next season!
I think this is a hidden gem of a show. I've been watching from season 1, and I think it have improved alot. Season 2 was probably the strongest season, but season 3 was pretty good as well. I have some minor issues about how certain characters developed but other than that I like the way the show is headed.
s3 was actualy my fav coz i thought s2 was a perma loop of people taking it in turns hating one another , i literally described it as pirates on eastenders , and i was very very happy that s3 went for progression and scope (i'm still not sure why + Show Spoiler +
blonde island queen went full retard on vain tho. when did he kill her father?
also i read they only got rid of vain coz the actor pretty much said he wants to go "first" coz he wants to return to his family from acting. its a shame coz vain was like my fav guy and could have easily been one of the Bros to carry on into the next season/s
basically i dont really get why queen guthry went full retard other than because what just said above :/
S3 was fantastic, raised the stakes and got me interested in it again after the drama of s2. Last few ep's were amazing, and the battle was close to Hardhome level.
S3 was nothing short of epic. The quality improved greatly. The cinematography, the dialogue, the characters. It all got more depth behind it now and it's amazing. Definitely better than GoT by now and if they keep the trend of improving it then I think I might die of too much awesome in S4.
I just devoured the 3 seasons. I don't know why this show isn't more praised. I expected Spartacus at sea (which already would have been awesome :D), and I got something way outside that range, better in any way. It seems like it flew under the radar somehow (certainly under mine), but this is certainly one of the best TV shows I've watched. Constant (and even improving) in quality, great characters, great acting, great visuals.
This show is some damn good!!! Really sad that this is the last season, but it's going out with a bang!!! Great acting and the storyline is amazing as well!!!
Really never know who will live until the final episode.
On February 27 2017 22:15 bdonballer wrote: This show is some damn good!!! Really sad that this is the last season, but it's going out with a bang!!! Great acting and the storyline is amazing as well!!!
Really never know who will live until the final episode.
On February 27 2017 22:15 bdonballer wrote: This show is some damn good!!! Really sad that this is the last season, but it's going out with a bang!!! Great acting and the storyline is amazing as well!!!
Really never know who will live until the final episode.
On February 27 2017 22:15 bdonballer wrote: This show is some damn good!!! Really sad that this is the last season, but it's going out with a bang!!! Great acting and the storyline is amazing as well!!!
Really never know who will live until the final episode.
We know 100% one character that will live
If it is a true prequel to treasure island than 3 characters would live from the show thus far!
On February 27 2017 22:15 bdonballer wrote: This show is some damn good!!! Really sad that this is the last season, but it's going out with a bang!!! Great acting and the storyline is amazing as well!!!
Really never know who will live until the final episode.
The story of Flint's gayness is a front to dissolve the burden of the Philadelphia people wanting him gone. Rackham is sent to tell it to the old lady to trick her into sponsoring Max's government over Nasssau, among that of others for her own best interest.
Silver and Madi go to that garden place to live there, taking on the names Steve and Mary Hamilton. Thomas Hamilton didn't have an affair with James McGraw (Flint), he is his brother, and during his stay in the mental institution Bethlem he changed his name to John Silver, and since the institutions which oversee such matters are still in their infancy with regard to identity record keeping, he arranges for Silver to be his brother and heir to the Hamilton line, officially.
James and Tom continue to fund a covert resistance conspiracy in collaboration with Madi/Mary and the influential people who congregate at the garden and form the two sides of the legit business vs piracy strategy along with Jack and Max, to suck the empires dry, using the cache as capital.
The events of Treasure Island involve a different treasure. Same place but it's the accumulated wealth jointly acquired by the conspirators, with Flint still being the only person to know its exact whereabouts. He eventually dies and leaves a testament to his successor, who indeed got tired of the stories circulating in the civilized world, so he decides to take over as the secret society's (SS) Bank Governor Steve Hamilton a.k.a John Silver. The testament contains a complex code which he precisely memorizes. The kid he takes with him is Jack Rackham and Anne Bonny's son, who has inherited the map which Silver can decipher using Thomas Hamilton's primer for the multi-purpose language/charting system + Show Spoiler +
What else is an intelligent person to do in the nuthouse besides concoct such things
He became the man behind the legendary figure of Long (dragon) John Silver, leading the nightmare life the original didn't want to live.
The wit and intelligence of Rackham and Tom synergized superlatively, and from it originated the fun of one upping one another in terms of technological, philosophical, social and linguistic torch carrying to explore and illuminate the dark, as Flint put it. A computer was named Commodore 64, to honor Tom and Jack's (on a superficial level 6 stands for one of the 3 types of saying the letter R, and 4 is a type of A) unsurpassed navigational prowess in each and every domain in life, and the source code of the software called LOGO is an interactive tutorial for the final version of the language framework, and as its peak achievement compensation it contains the legendary map to the treasure, and a new "map" to serve as a blueprint and instructions and contact guide to replace gold and money as currency for a globalized world with something more intelligent (IT), to empower those who speak it (demo) and bring about a new age of piracy - legit business coin called ... to be unveiled here
apparently in s4e4 flint and silver spoke briefly about 'what if thomas was still alive?'
they done a good job of leaving it entirely up to the viewer to choose whether flint is shot or if silver's story about the farm is true. i don't know any other thing that leaves it up to the viewer to choose themselves. usually something is left ambiguous with unequal amounts of evidence or vagueness, however nothing was vague or skirted around, instead they simply omitted that one second of footage. it was great
good ending, shame about the rest of the show being so much repetitive squabbling back and forth for 4 seasons that i'd stopped caring for a long time now
a sequel (treasure island) is definitely possible i think. a spinoff with jack is possible too, although they did say 'he probably wouldn't last long' so i get the impression it's not compelling enough to pursue.
Meh... for such an oftentimes grim show, the ending was super lame... everyone lived happy ever after. I don't remember exactly when, but the show became pretty mediocre at some point and stayed like that, always the same repetitive backstabbing and so on. Still enjoyable but not really standing out besides through the setting. I really hoped that the end would continue the trend of feeling that a price has to be payed. Like the death of blackbead, even though the circumstances where just plain stupid. The ending made me feel none of that though, just bad guy loses, good guy wins, everyone is happy. Woops, war is canceld but no biggie, we are still all content. Basically the only thing that really exited me in the last episode was the reference to Mary Read and even that was only in a "I see what you did there" way.
Meh... for such an oftentimes grim show, the ending was super lame... everyone lived happy ever after. I don't remember exactly when, but the show became pretty mediocre at some point and stayed like that, always the same repetitive backstabbing and so on. Still enjoyable but not really standing out besides through the setting. I really hoped that the end would continue the trend of feeling that a price has to be payed. Like the death of blackbead, even though the circumstances where just plain stupid. The ending made me feel none of that though, just bad guy loses, good guy wins, everyone is happy. Woops, war is canceld but no biggie, we are still all content. Basically the only thing that really exited me in the last episode was the reference to Mary Read and even that was only in a "I see what you did there" way.
silver killed flint. he made up the story about him living happily on a farm with his ex-lover so his black gf wouldn't hate him. everything that happened in the ep also ties into the future events of treasure island (theoretically)
Meh... for such an oftentimes grim show, the ending was super lame... everyone lived happy ever after. I don't remember exactly when, but the show became pretty mediocre at some point and stayed like that, always the same repetitive backstabbing and so on. Still enjoyable but not really standing out besides through the setting. I really hoped that the end would continue the trend of feeling that a price has to be payed. Like the death of blackbead, even though the circumstances where just plain stupid. The ending made me feel none of that though, just bad guy loses, good guy wins, everyone is happy. Woops, war is canceld but no biggie, we are still all content. Basically the only thing that really exited me in the last episode was the reference to Mary Read and even that was only in a "I see what you did there" way.
silver killed flint. he made up the story about him living happily on a farm with his ex-lover so his black gf wouldn't hate him. everything that happened in the ep also ties into the future events of treasure island (theoretically)
That is open to interpretation at best. It also felt like Madi should not forgive him for ending the war they all initially so furiously believed in. I still don't feel it. But as I said, the series for me had been mediocre for a long time and I felt like a very grim win / defeat would have been a much better ending for this setting
no, not 'at best'. watch at 48min again, the scene directly after + Show Spoiler +
where silver is pointing gun at flint. it cuts to 3 guys in the jungle hearing a loud noise that disturbs birds around them. the noise is either gunshot or it is silver calling out to them. it also follows closely that it is in silver's capabilities and his nature to 'silver tongue' the final conclusion. to me, it is much more likely that he shot flint and simply made up the story. the fact that the writers presented both outcomes to be equally possible was very clever and something i haven't seen before. usually writers make 1 outcome much more likely than the other, and the other to be just stringed on as a vague possibiity. this is absolutely not the case here (watch the scene at 48 min)
as for madi, i stop paying attention to any of that long ago. the whole show was every character taking it in turns to pair up and get mad at another character, one after the other. just was silly and not interesting after the first round of pairing up and switcherinos. so, as for character motivations and whatnot, i gave up paying attention to that long ago, and even skipped through most of s4. ALSO why the FUCK would they end season 3 which such an epic union between all the main characters and then completely forget about that ever happening come season 4, and just return to the same old formula taking turns hating one another again? i thought they finally made progress. anyway, a good final ep even though i skipped half of it including the battle scenes coz why would i keep caring after they do the same shit for 4 seasons
On April 05 2017 22:15 FFGenerations wrote: no, not 'at best'. watch at 48min again, the scene directly after + Show Spoiler +
where silver is pointing gun at flint. it cuts to 3 guys in the jungle hearing a loud noise that disturbs birds around them. the noise is either gunshot or it is silver calling out to them. it also follows closely that it is in silver's capabilities and his nature to 'silver tongue' the final conclusion. to me, it is much more likely that he shot flint and simply made up the story. the fact that the writers presented both outcomes to be equally possible was very clever and something i haven't seen before. usually writers make 1 outcome much more likely than the other, and the other to be just stringed on as a vague possibiity. this is absolutely not the case here (watch the scene at 48 min)
as for madi, i stop paying attention to any of that long ago. the whole show was every character taking it in turns to pair up and get mad at another character, one after the other. just was silly and not interesting after the first round of pairing up and switcherinos. so, as for character motivations and whatnot, i gave up paying attention to that long ago, and even skipped through most of s4. ALSO why the FUCK would they end season 3 which such an epic union between all the main characters and then completely forget about that ever happening come season 4, and just return to the same old formula taking turns hating one another again? i thought they finally made progress. anyway, a good final ep even though i skipped half of it including the battle scenes coz why would i keep caring after they do the same shit for 4 seasons
I somehow missed the shot scene, guess it improves the ending by a lot, I still don't really think it was great. And I feel you about the paring up and getting mad at each other, everyone was just annyoing at some part of the show, maybe that is why I would have liked less fortune in the end
yup i went straight onto reddit and found a few people pointing this out and was like omg
i posted this before, but...
would dig a spinoff adventure series with just this shit. and maybe silver as their captain. ooh yeah pls do it. like One Piece but with these guys. no shit drama just adventure and shit