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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On September 22 2012 23:52 Numy wrote: I can only assume you guys have never interacted with paralleluniverse before. He's basically the embodiment of negativity. The only thing lacking from this thread is graphs. What argument did we get into? I don't remember you, sorry. | ||
bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Personally i suggest you picking up PoE when it goes open beta, it of course is not limitless, and probably is not close to be as fluid as TL2 in combat, but its closest to D2 you can get on market. Im waiting for Open Beta and lost my character today on hardcore and there will be closed beta wipe for that, so im picking TL2 in meantime | ||
Yacobs
United States846 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On September 22 2012 23:57 [17]Purple wrote: He reminds me of the Black Hats I learn from Critical Thinking... and I would rather not get graphs, the ones from DotA 2 General are enough TYVM Actually, I am known for my usage of graphs and data. Here are some example from this month alone: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=364#7265 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=364#7274 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=382#7627 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=390#7791 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=461#9217 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=477#9540 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=477#9533 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330491¤tpage=487#9729 | ||
SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
I just want to get a copy! or | ||
paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On September 23 2012 00:00 bgx wrote: Parallel then from my small research i made in matter of 15 minutes i already found out that the game has no endgame you wanted. Im still looking more into 50 hours of fun in TL2 because when i look back (D3) everything is better, even with no endgame-endgame. Personally i suggest you picking up PoE when it goes open beta, it of course is not limitless, and probably is not close to be as fluid as TL2 in combat, but its closest to D2 you can get on market. Im waiting for Open Beta and lost my character today on hardcore and there will be closed beta wipe for that, so im picking TL2 in meantime PoE is the worse game I've played in my life. Literally. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250781¤tpage=98#1951 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250781¤tpage=98#1955 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250781¤tpage=98#1958 | ||
WeedRa
Germany815 Posts
edit: i like the endgame because thats what i was expecting | ||
WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Trotim
Germany95 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On September 23 2012 00:21 Trotim wrote: I found that if you're investing a lot in Shadow Burst you might not really need Blood Hunger because the former heals AND repositions. Not sure though, is just on Veteran. Your probably right, I am just rolling with it. I literally have no spells except shadow burst at the moment, every other skill point is in passive skills and it's working pretty well, going for Savage Rush and Northern Rage at level 21 though. | ||
WeedRa
Germany815 Posts
I'm thinking whats the best point distribution. Or to be more specific, how much should i be spending in STR? | ||
bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On September 22 2012 23:43 paralleluniverse wrote: Because it doesn't have to be this way. See D2. It has a endgame. TL2 is randomized so you can play it over again. Also, there is more content than D2 "endgame", because you can use portal scrolls etc. In addition I think I read something about something unlocking when you finish the game, so you could keep playing. ALSO, this game is openly moddable, so endless content will be added just like for TL1. | ||
paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On September 23 2012 00:36 shabby wrote: TL2 is randomized so you can play it over again. Also, there is more content than D2 "endgame", because you can use portal scrolls etc. In addition I think I read something about something unlocking when you finish the game, so you could keep playing. ALSO, this game is openly moddable, so endless content will be added just like for TL1. I've already address those points here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103417¤tpage=21#410 There is no point in doing any of those things, as the above post explains. | ||
Yacobs
United States846 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
I am playing the game almost as slow as i could haha, the creatures, the music and this world, too good to the point that I don't wanna finish the game! This is so weird but i am feeling that way O_O | ||
shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On September 23 2012 00:40 paralleluniverse wrote: I've already address those points here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103417¤tpage=21#410 There is no point in doing any of those things, as the above post explains. Alright. 1. You say that there is no economy. Why? You can trade items just like in Diablo 2. It is your problem if you choose to trade with modded items that make the game imbalanced. That is you cheating, and then complaining it ruins your experience. 2. You claim that having more dungeons and items to gather is not an endgame? What endgame do you expect? PVP? If it is not added by runic someone will probably add an Arena mod. This mod could easily inspect anyone joining to see if they have custom items or if everything was looted legit. If they are not legit, don't duel them. 3. You are under the impression that because you can "mod" any item, there is no point to play? You can say that for all games, because you can cheat if you like. If you think the possibility of modding and cheating undermines your experience, then I don't know what to say. You will never enjoy any game other than a MMO again. 4. You claim that mods kill the game because they are amateurish. Then you should do more research before downloading a mod, I suppose. I usually only download the ones that are good and add the stuff I want (for example new classes, more dungeons etc) 5. You paid something like $20 for idk, at least 20 hours of content. That beats 99% of all other single player games out there where you pay $50-60 for 5-8 hours. 6. The game just came out, there will be patches, they've promised more free content, and if people feel the same way you do, they will just mod the game to allow for whatever endgame you desire. Or you could mod it yourself. | ||
Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On September 23 2012 00:59 shabby wrote: Alright. 1. You say that there is no economy. Why? You can trade items just like in Diablo 2. It is your problem if you choose to trade with modded items that make the game imbalanced. That is you cheating, and then complaining it ruins your experience. 2. You claim that having more dungeons and items to gather is not an endgame? What endgame do you expect? PVP? If it is not added by runic someone will probably add an Arena mod. This mod could easily inspect anyone joining to see if they have custom items or if everything was looted legit. If they are not legit, don't duel them. 3. You are under the impression that because you can "mod" any item, there is no point to play? You can say that for all games, because you can cheat if you like. If you think the possibility of modding and cheating undermines your experience, then I don't know what to say. You will never enjoy any game other than a MMO again. 4. You claim that mods kill the game because they are amateurish. Then you should do more research before downloading a mod, I suppose. I usually only download the ones that are good and add the stuff I want (for example new classes, more dungeons etc) 5. You paid something like $20 for idk, at least 20 hours of content. That beats 99% of all other single player games out there where you pay $50-60 for 5-8 hours. 6. The game just came out, there will be patches, they've promised more free content, and if people feel the same way you do, they will just mod the game to allow for whatever endgame you desire. Or you could mod it yourself. 1. Because there's no one to trade with. Do you see trading games in TL2. No? That's because no one wants to trade given (1) they can mod the items themselves, (2) the items in the trade may be modded, (3) the game is pretty easy, (4) hell, they can even mod the game so that they don't need items at all. Items have no value, there is no reason to want items from other players, so no one trades, so there is no economy. 2. There' is no point to grind the "endgame" maps. Why do them? For items? Items have no value, see 1. 3. Modding doesn't necessarily mean there's no reason to play. But modding items means there's reason to play for items or for anything related to items. So why play at all after beating the game once or twice? I see no point to continue playing after that. Mod aren't that fun, just look at SC2 and WC3, most maps are amateur and badly balanced, not worth playing. 4. How can you mod in a economy? Can you mod in fair PvP, given that that anyone can mod their characters to do 1 trillion damage? The problem is you can't mod mods out of the the game, so it's not possible to mod in an economy and mod in character based PvP. The only possible sort of PvP would be like DotA or Counter-Strike style, where everyone must used a standardized character. But even that's probably going to get speed hacked or something. 5. I don't buy those shit games you're referring to. I agree the game is worth $20, but probably no more than that. As I've said, I bought TL2, and I'm having fun. It's a fun game and mostly well-designed. In fact, I'm playing right now. 6. So what? | ||
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