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Some threshold version of dredge will be more likely, the backlash/connotations against Dredge isn't as bad as Affinity since broken Dredge is only found in Legacy where it can be pretty easily hated out (like Affinity) if the field chooses to do so. Dredge as a limited mechanic was pretty fun, not so much when you just kill your opponent of turn 4 with absolutely 0 things the opponent can do about it provided the pilot is any where near competent.
That being said, foil Life from the Loam courtesy of Legacy and Modern is at 30-35 right now I think. The non-foil around 15-20. The only way I see this going any higher would depend on land-based interaction cards to be printed in the future (obviously), I don't see that happening any time soon since Zendikar was only 1 standard cycle ago. The prices will fluctuate in accordance to the season format.
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On May 15 2012 07:58 hkf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 14:40 slyboogie wrote:On May 14 2012 09:56 kenkou wrote:On May 09 2012 11:13 slyboogie wrote: EDIT: Oooh, foil Life from the Loam, that'll always be full value. Nothing really does what Life from the Loam does. I haven't played MTG in years, but I remember I pulled two of these cards back when Ravnica came out. One is a Japanese foil version, one is normal. Do you think if I was to sell the card, would it be smart to sell it now or will it be useful for a long time, hence prices go up? Well, I'm not an expert on card pricing by any stretch of the imagination. I find the secondary market of MtG cards to be insane. So take this advice with a grain of salt: I'd hold the Life from the Loams until the next set. A reprint is not impossible and giving the card standard life will make its value go up - in spite of increasing supply. It also depends on the popularity of Modern, lands printed in the future, new mechanics. But like I said, nothing really does what Life from the Loam does, so I'd feel okay holding it. Not really a question of whether the prices will go up (p9 and co have had a stable price for a while, and generally do barring advent of new formats - rare), but whether prices will FALL. My opinion is that it will remain steady, as loam is a very unique and very powerful mechanic. Also reprinting loam will be either $ grab or just... brokenness.
That's basically what I said. What's your risk in holding two LftL's for a year? Maybe $4-$5 of valuation between the two cards? What do you risk if Wizards does reprint Life From the Loam? Maybe $15 of valuation. With a card like that, it's all upside anyways.
I mean, unless they print some green 4-mana planeswalker with "-2: Life from the Loam."
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Just curious.
What happens to the cards at a limited GP?
Do we keep them?
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Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there.
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On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there.
Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example).
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Is that yes to my question?
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On May 18 2012 01:58 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there. Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example).
Golgari dredge things. Lands get dredged. New players might not like seeing a bunch of useless lands in their graveyard and a card that interacts with them would be a good idea. Loam is there.
Also, Yes.
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On May 18 2012 03:21 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 01:58 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there. Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example). Golgari dredge things. Lands get dredged. New players might not like seeing a bunch of useless lands in their graveyard and a card that interacts with them would be a good idea. Loam is there. Also, Yes.
Except it does nothing to fill the theme of the decks, this isn't a reprint of the guildss greatest hits, the decks are suppose to play off of each other. Life from the Loam doesn't fit that theme, nor does the Dredge argument fit as new players are more terrified of Dredging in the first place and more so regarding spells than lands. You are forgetting that interaction with lands has little relevance other than getting back lands. Unless there's a discard-for-abilities theme already in place to take advantage of dead (possibly land) cards in hand, but even then there's little reason to choose the bloated Loam line over just discarding Dredge cards in the first place.
Anyways at Limited GPs, for those of you who have never been, you open and register a card pool for someone else, pass said card pool to other people, that card pool you register a sealed deck, then turn said registration papers in to the judges. Then you play, etc., etc. The cards are now yours (since you effectively paid for them with your registration fee). If you were fortunate/skilled enough to make Day 2, the format changes to Draft where the packs are already registered by judges and the cards will have a nice little stamp on them.
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On May 18 2012 10:14 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 03:21 deth2munkies wrote:On May 18 2012 01:58 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there. Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example). Golgari dredge things. Lands get dredged. New players might not like seeing a bunch of useless lands in their graveyard and a card that interacts with them would be a good idea. Loam is there. Also, Yes. Except it does nothing to fill the theme of the decks, this isn't a reprint of the guildss greatest hits, the decks are suppose to play off of each other. Life from the Loam doesn't fit that theme, nor does the Dredge argument fit as new players are more terrified of Dredging in the first place and more so regarding spells than lands. You are forgetting that interaction with lands has little relevance other than getting back lands. Unless there's a discard-for-abilities theme already in place to take advantage of dead (possibly land) cards in hand, but even then there's little reason to choose the bloated Loam line over just discarding Dredge cards in the first place. Anyways at Limited GPs, for those of you who have never been, you open and register a card pool for someone else, pass said card pool to other people, that card pool you register a sealed deck, then turn said registration papers in to the judges. Then you play, etc., etc. The cards are now yours (since you effectively paid for them with your registration fee). If you were fortunate/skilled enough to make Day 2, the format changes to Draft where the packs are already registered by judges and the cards will have a nice little stamp on them.
Man, I am way to curious for my own good. I live in Ontario and am really pushing my friends to play more competitvely (Standard and such). However, both of them prefer limited as the money required to play in it is much less. Anyways, I was curious as any positive things would hopefully get them to play more and more. I am hoping that eventually that GP limited will encourage them to play more standard.
Now, the chances of me making GP day 2 is ridiculously remote, I can't help it. T.T Do you keep the cards from the booster draft.
Sadly, this won't happen this year as the GP in Toronto is Modern
Also, thanks Judicator for answering me oo (infinity) questions before and now (and future! XD)
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On May 18 2012 13:41 wunsun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 10:14 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 03:21 deth2munkies wrote:On May 18 2012 01:58 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there. Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example). Golgari dredge things. Lands get dredged. New players might not like seeing a bunch of useless lands in their graveyard and a card that interacts with them would be a good idea. Loam is there. Also, Yes. Except it does nothing to fill the theme of the decks, this isn't a reprint of the guildss greatest hits, the decks are suppose to play off of each other. Life from the Loam doesn't fit that theme, nor does the Dredge argument fit as new players are more terrified of Dredging in the first place and more so regarding spells than lands. You are forgetting that interaction with lands has little relevance other than getting back lands. Unless there's a discard-for-abilities theme already in place to take advantage of dead (possibly land) cards in hand, but even then there's little reason to choose the bloated Loam line over just discarding Dredge cards in the first place. Anyways at Limited GPs, for those of you who have never been, you open and register a card pool for someone else, pass said card pool to other people, that card pool you register a sealed deck, then turn said registration papers in to the judges. Then you play, etc., etc. The cards are now yours (since you effectively paid for them with your registration fee). If you were fortunate/skilled enough to make Day 2, the format changes to Draft where the packs are already registered by judges and the cards will have a nice little stamp on them. Man, I am way to curious for my own good. I live in Ontario and am really pushing my friends to play more competitvely (Standard and such). However, both of them prefer limited as the money required to play in it is much less. Anyways, I was curious as any positive things would hopefully get them to play more and more. I am hoping that eventually that GP limited will encourage them to play more standard. Now, the chances of me making GP day 2 is ridiculously remote, I can't help it. T.T Do you keep the cards from the booster draft. Sadly, this won't happen this year as the GP in Toronto is Modern Also, thanks Judicator for answering me oo (infinity) questions before and now (and future! XD)
The whole notion of Limited being cheaper than Standard is pretty much a farce unless you buy every individual card and have zero reads on the meta. Drafting is far more expensive over the course of time. I think I only actually spent about 100 dollars directly for my current standard deck (control and its infinite variants) and the rest I managed to pick up through trades and drafting weekly. Hell, I think I spent the most on my Oona EDH deck. Buying low on lands that will be staples in the upcoming standard is always something that eludes new players or players getting into standard.
If money is really that big of an issue, play online in MWS or Cockatrice. Standard is a nice change of pace from Limited, you guys (if you are actually as new as you sound) are spoiled by a great limited set in Innistrad and Dark Ascension.
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Constructed is significantly cheaper for me when Im on Magic Online. I am also just bad at limited, but limited has always been very expensive to play, unless for some odd reason the value of the sets your drafting are extremely high.
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Granted, they're not doing that much drafting anyways. I like limited cause I only started in Innistird, so I don't have many cards in the Scars block. Furthermore, I still make really really stupid mistakes, and drafting is helping me learn a set better and get me playing a bunch, so hopefully I learn from them.
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Managed to get 3 forcemages in this draft. 3-0 in matches, moderately simple. GB since there were 3 people in RW, person to my right was U/r. Was amused that pairing forcemage with blood artist was the right play at one point. TAKE THAT ONE DAMAGE.
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On May 19 2012 14:36 wunsun wrote: Granted, they're not doing that much drafting anyways. I like limited cause I only started in Innistird, so I don't have many cards in the Scars block. Furthermore, I still make really really stupid mistakes, and drafting is helping me learn a set better and get me playing a bunch, so hopefully I learn from them.
That was the same boat I was in like 1.5-2 years ago. I had to make a judgment call on whether to buy Jace TMS and actually play T2 (fuck Valakut), decided against it and play for the post-Zendikar rotation. So I just drafted the shit out of SOM block building up my land base, spent a little money on Titans when M12 was announced since they were gonna be cheap, and then worked towards Snapcasters and Lilianas by trading off Inkmoths and extra SOM lands that I wasn't gonna play.
Basically, build your land base, then figure out what the staples are and trade up for those. T2 is only expensive if you decide to jump in blind mid format.
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On May 20 2012 00:44 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 14:36 wunsun wrote: Granted, they're not doing that much drafting anyways. I like limited cause I only started in Innistird, so I don't have many cards in the Scars block. Furthermore, I still make really really stupid mistakes, and drafting is helping me learn a set better and get me playing a bunch, so hopefully I learn from them. That was the same boat I was in like 1.5-2 years ago. I had to make a judgment call on whether to buy Jace TMS and actually play T2 (fuck Valakut), decided against it and play for the post-Zendikar rotation. So I just drafted the shit out of SOM block building up my land base, spent a little money on Titans when M12 was announced since they were gonna be cheap, and then worked towards Snapcasters and Lilianas by trading off Inkmoths and extra SOM lands that I wasn't gonna play. Basically, build your land base, then figure out what the staples are and trade up for those. T2 is only expensive if you decide to jump in blind mid format.
Very true, I'd not suggest going all in now, wait until M13 and R2R comes out, then jump in with everything.
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On May 19 2012 13:33 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 13:41 wunsun wrote:On May 18 2012 10:14 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 03:21 deth2munkies wrote:On May 18 2012 01:58 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there. Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example). Golgari dredge things. Lands get dredged. New players might not like seeing a bunch of useless lands in their graveyard and a card that interacts with them would be a good idea. Loam is there. Also, Yes. Except it does nothing to fill the theme of the decks, this isn't a reprint of the guildss greatest hits, the decks are suppose to play off of each other. Life from the Loam doesn't fit that theme, nor does the Dredge argument fit as new players are more terrified of Dredging in the first place and more so regarding spells than lands. You are forgetting that interaction with lands has little relevance other than getting back lands. Unless there's a discard-for-abilities theme already in place to take advantage of dead (possibly land) cards in hand, but even then there's little reason to choose the bloated Loam line over just discarding Dredge cards in the first place. Anyways at Limited GPs, for those of you who have never been, you open and register a card pool for someone else, pass said card pool to other people, that card pool you register a sealed deck, then turn said registration papers in to the judges. Then you play, etc., etc. The cards are now yours (since you effectively paid for them with your registration fee). If you were fortunate/skilled enough to make Day 2, the format changes to Draft where the packs are already registered by judges and the cards will have a nice little stamp on them. Man, I am way to curious for my own good. I live in Ontario and am really pushing my friends to play more competitvely (Standard and such). However, both of them prefer limited as the money required to play in it is much less. Anyways, I was curious as any positive things would hopefully get them to play more and more. I am hoping that eventually that GP limited will encourage them to play more standard. Now, the chances of me making GP day 2 is ridiculously remote, I can't help it. T.T Do you keep the cards from the booster draft. Sadly, this won't happen this year as the GP in Toronto is Modern Also, thanks Judicator for answering me oo (infinity) questions before and now (and future! XD) The whole notion of Limited being cheaper than Standard is pretty much a farce unless you buy every individual card and have zero reads on the meta. Drafting is far more expensive over the course of time. I think I only actually spent about 100 dollars directly for my current standard deck (control and its infinite variants) and the rest I managed to pick up through trades and drafting weekly.
What? This makes no sense. Standard is cheaper than drafting because you use the cards you get from draft to play standard? If you were to just purchase the current deck I am playing in standard, it would cost you a little over $400. My deck is probably on the expensive side but still, that's almost a years worth of drafting once a week. And if you sell back the cards you get from drafting and the packs you win, drafting isn't that expensive.
Very true, I'd not suggest going all in now, wait until M13 and R2R comes out, then jump in with everything.
You can't really go wrong with picking up snapcasters and huntmasters now though.
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On May 20 2012 02:51 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 13:33 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 13:41 wunsun wrote:On May 18 2012 10:14 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 03:21 deth2munkies wrote:On May 18 2012 01:58 Judicator wrote:On May 18 2012 01:52 deth2munkies wrote: Yes.
In RE: Loam,
Izzet vs Golgari is the next duel deck, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it there. Would seem highly out of place unless there's a reason for running Life in Golgari, aka unless there are sweet land interactions from either Golgari itself or from Izzet wrecking lands, neither seems that likely to be honest as I don't recall land being that big a deal in RGD (outside of color fixing etc. not direct game interaction like Zendikar for example). Golgari dredge things. Lands get dredged. New players might not like seeing a bunch of useless lands in their graveyard and a card that interacts with them would be a good idea. Loam is there. Also, Yes. Except it does nothing to fill the theme of the decks, this isn't a reprint of the guildss greatest hits, the decks are suppose to play off of each other. Life from the Loam doesn't fit that theme, nor does the Dredge argument fit as new players are more terrified of Dredging in the first place and more so regarding spells than lands. You are forgetting that interaction with lands has little relevance other than getting back lands. Unless there's a discard-for-abilities theme already in place to take advantage of dead (possibly land) cards in hand, but even then there's little reason to choose the bloated Loam line over just discarding Dredge cards in the first place. Anyways at Limited GPs, for those of you who have never been, you open and register a card pool for someone else, pass said card pool to other people, that card pool you register a sealed deck, then turn said registration papers in to the judges. Then you play, etc., etc. The cards are now yours (since you effectively paid for them with your registration fee). If you were fortunate/skilled enough to make Day 2, the format changes to Draft where the packs are already registered by judges and the cards will have a nice little stamp on them. Man, I am way to curious for my own good. I live in Ontario and am really pushing my friends to play more competitvely (Standard and such). However, both of them prefer limited as the money required to play in it is much less. Anyways, I was curious as any positive things would hopefully get them to play more and more. I am hoping that eventually that GP limited will encourage them to play more standard. Now, the chances of me making GP day 2 is ridiculously remote, I can't help it. T.T Do you keep the cards from the booster draft. Sadly, this won't happen this year as the GP in Toronto is Modern Also, thanks Judicator for answering me oo (infinity) questions before and now (and future! XD) The whole notion of Limited being cheaper than Standard is pretty much a farce unless you buy every individual card and have zero reads on the meta. Drafting is far more expensive over the course of time. I think I only actually spent about 100 dollars directly for my current standard deck (control and its infinite variants) and the rest I managed to pick up through trades and drafting weekly. What? This makes no sense. Standard is cheaper than drafting because you use the cards you get from draft to play standard? If you were to just purchase the current deck I am playing in standard, it would cost you a little over $400. My deck is probably on the expensive side but still, that's almost a years worth of drafting once a week. And if you sell back the cards you get from drafting and the packs you win, drafting isn't that expensive. Show nested quote +Very true, I'd not suggest going all in now, wait until M13 and R2R comes out, then jump in with everything. You can't really go wrong with picking up snapcasters and huntmasters now though.
It's cheaper because...the cards you get you can keep using in Standard, as opposed to draft where you are essentially buying 3 packs every time. The reason I say its cheaper to play t2 than standard is because if you have been playing the game and have a solid card pool, you can pick up standard much cheaper than draft.
Also, saying your deck is 400 dollars doesn't mean you spent 400 dollars on the deck, my deck is probably the most expensive one right now (Esper control) and I certainly didn't spend how ever much money it's worth. Drafting is cheaper only if you can consistently top 3 (depending on payouts).
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Dudes, just win your drafts and play for free for the rest of your life.
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On May 21 2012 04:17 slyboogie wrote: Dudes, just win your drafts and play for free for the rest of your life.
Already there at my local shop, I occasionally dump credit for expensive EDH cards and if I ever decide to take Legacy seriously, I'll dump credit in there also.
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How do you guys have a self sustaining store if they let you keep credit laying around? I understand as a player it's awesome but as a business model it seems horrible for profit margins.
My Store doesnt let use use store credit we saved to participate in tournaments, only for cards or packs.
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