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On December 28 2015 02:24 phantomlancer23 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Imho story turned bad after kaer morhen battle.I didnt like the story after that point at all.It doesnt make sense to me.Ciri pass the portal and sacrificed herself, geralt told everyone she is dead but she appears again wow what a twist thats the 1950s b movies twist that happended two times in the game.The cheapest twist in all b movies let the spectator two minutes to think that the hero is dead. Come on CDPR its the last witcher give a memorable end kill geralt or kill ciri do something good something unique, make a big revealation. + Show Spoiler +Yeah, this irked me a tiny bit, even tho - weirdly enough - I liked that ending in some way. Yes, cliche, but who said everything must be original and unique? But I can definitely see that you didn't enjoy the story after that battle for sure. Also a lot was left to be desired from the archnemesis of whole series who speaks only few monotonous lines over curse of full game. Hopefully they'll be Enhanced Edition of Witcher 3 as well that will deepen the lore and bring some character into a guy that was quite interesting in books.
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On December 27 2015 22:00 phantomlancer23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2015 21:17 True_Spike wrote: If you find it hard just lower the difficulty? That's what the slider is for.
If the story in W3 is mediocre than I don't know which other new game out there has a good one. Any suggestions? I dont know what do you mean with ''new game'', last years or only this year anyway. GTA V and Soma(i havent played it yet but i trust the opinions of some friends) from this year are better. Witchers 3 story is by far inferior to Bioshock infinite, mass effect, deus ex,Alan wake, dragon age, half life, portal and there are a lot of indy games that are bad but in story are better than w3. And yea when you got over 90% in metacritic and so bad gameplay at least you need a very good story.Can we at least agree that ending was beyond awful?
I know this is subjective, but you have got to be kidding! Dragon age having a better plot? I liked that game a lot (I understand you mean DA:O), but plot was NOT it's strong point. Bioshock Infinite was ok, but the execution was mediocre. Half Life doesn't really have a (complex) plot to speak of, neither does Portal. The only one I can really agree on being better in terms of story is the first Deus Ex - that game was kick-ass! I did enjoy the plot (but more so the world) of the first Mass Effect as well.
I guess it's a case of apples and oranges. The examples you've listed are oh so very different, and the type of story W3 serves you (on top of the side quest stories) probably isn't up your alley. I do agree actual gameplay isn't anything spectacular, but I wouldn't call the mechanics *bad*. They're more than fine for an RPG game, though I wouldn't mind an improvement.
I haven't played an *RPG* this good (in terms of the story, or rather stories [since there are many sub-plots] and a fun, believable, coherent world) since the good old times of Baldur's Gate, but no game's perfect, and no game's for everyone.
Btw, if you recently played any game as good as Deus Ex do let me know, please. I'd murder someone for the opportunity to go through a similiar experience, after all this time.
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On December 28 2015 02:32 True_Spike wrote: Btw, if you recently played any game as good as Deus Ex do let me know, please. I'd murder someone for the opportunity to go through a similiar experience, after all this time.
A bit offtopic, but I'm in similiar camp as you - Witcher 3 was the game that gave me the same feeling I had when first time playing Baldur's Gate 2. Which says a lot of how good this game is. Only one other game managed to get me in that mood/state of mind and it was Pillars of Eternity - if you haven't played it yet, I strongly recommend that you do.
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Bioshock Infinite's story was pretty OK but it did create a lot of 'artificial depth' by employing some complicated scientific extrapolation. Witcher 3 employed a more down to earth 'real people real feels' kind of story that varied from fantastic (bloody baron, hearts of stone) to pretty solid IMO.
Eredin was pretty OK I guess but the Crones took the prize when it came to villains in this game.
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What I dont like in The Witcher 3 is - when the game is less linear overall - more linears quests. There is really little room to influence many of them and chosen dialogue lines have no impact. In that one thing, Witcher 1 and 2 were better.
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Eredin was pretty generic tbh, especially when put against the depth of the other characters, villains or not.
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On December 28 2015 06:51 OtherWorld wrote: Eredin was pretty generic tbh, especially when put against the depth of the other characters, villains or not.
Yeah, he and crones are pretty standard fair folk types and thus - boring as fuck. O'Dimm, Letho and Radowid in other hand - are all awsome.
On December 27 2015 22:00 phantomlancer23 wrote: Witchers 3 story is by far inferior than(...)mass effect
LOL, in what sense? Mass Effect 1 was generic as fuck, it's core is almost Freespace 2 story retold: "The evil robot aliens systematicaly killing off everybody, one guy digs the graves of the past, finds out about them, starts rebelion and try to ally with them and convince to not kill everybody. Stop him before its too late." When I'm listening about ME story being anything good, I'm facepalming myself pretty hard.
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CD Project is a very likeable developer for me.If you count in that they are a small company with a small budget the witcher 3 is a great achievement.Developers with bigger budgets and manpower have failed many times.But i overlook this when i rate a game. The size of the game was too big for them, they tried to impress us with graphics and World size and they failed to gameplay. I didnt expect a very good story from an open world game but i expected at least better gameplay.The main problem of the game is the gameplay. When the battle starts the character is moving like drunkman, its like ice dancing, camera is awful and uncontrolable, it has autolocking and when you want to flee some enemies triggers battle stance and you stuck with low speed.Pathing and mapping are very bad too. AI is very bad too, there are 10 enemies and they are attacking one by one in most cases.There is no balance the game is very difficult in the beginning and very easy after the middle.Inventory is useless with 100 billion items that do nothing. Please dont quote me if you havent played dark souls guys.Go play dark souls and try witcher 3 after to see the difference by yourselfs. The story is mediocre for me and only the ending was bad.The music was very good and the quests was good too, it wasnt like go kill 5 cows comeback for reward. This game doesnt deserve 93% in metacritic.A 80-85 would be expected.I personally rate it 6.5/10.
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On December 28 2015 02:24 phantomlancer23 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Imho story turned bad after kaer morhen battle.I didnt like the story after that point at all.It doesnt make sense to me.Ciri pass the portal and sacrificed herself, geralt told everyone she is dead but she appears again wow what a twist thats the 1950s b movies twist that happended two times in the game.The cheapest twist in all b movies let the spectator two minutes to think that the hero is dead. Come on CDPR its the last witcher give a memorable end kill geralt or kill ciri do something good something unique, make a big revealation. Really? From my times exploring the Internet, people are fairly satisfied with all three endings in their own way. They weren't very cliche and conveyed the emotion they needed to. I don't see why every ending needs to be some huge twist revelation like M. Night Shyamalan, and I found all three endings memorable. As for the games you mentioned that have better stories, few matched TW3's personal storyline with such a strong cast of characters and storylines. Besides, comparing Half-Life and Portal to Witcher is a bit of an off comparison when they try for different formats and stories.
I will admit I did feel the game felt it was designed to end at Kaer Morhen, Eredin was the worst villain ever to grace the series (which is a shame because he was interesting in the books) and the Reasons of State ending was just so poorly done.
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On December 28 2015 07:23 phantomlancer23 wrote: CD Project is a very likeable developer for me.If you count in that they are a small company with a small budget the witcher 3 is a great achievement.Developers with bigger budgets and manpower have failed many times.But i overlook this when i rate a game. The size of the game was too big for them, they tried to impress us with graphics and World size and they failed to gameplay. I didnt expect a very good story from an open world game but i expected at least better gameplay.The main problem of the game is the gameplay. When the battle starts the character is moving like drunkman, its like ice dancing, camera is awful and uncontrolable, it has autolocking and when you want to flee some enemies triggers battle stance and you stuck with low speed.Pathing and mapping are very bad too. AI is very bad too, there are 10 enemies and they are attacking one by one in most cases.There is no balance the game is very difficult in the beginning and very easy after the middle.Inventory is useless with 100 billion items that do nothing. Please dont quote me if you havent played dark souls guys.Go play dark souls and try witcher 3 after to see the difference by yourselfs. The story is mediocre for me and only the ending was bad.The music was very good and the quests was good too, it wasnt like go kill 5 cows comeback for reward. This game doesnt deserve 93% in metacritic.A 80-85 would be expected.I personally rate it 6.5/10.
Dude, I love botch Dark Souls and Witcher series and what you say is complete bollocks on so many levels I'm not even going to write anything more. Just wow o.O
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On December 28 2015 07:46 OsaX Nymloth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 07:23 phantomlancer23 wrote: CD Project is a very likeable developer for me.If you count in that they are a small company with a small budget the witcher 3 is a great achievement.Developers with bigger budgets and manpower have failed many times.But i overlook this when i rate a game. The size of the game was too big for them, they tried to impress us with graphics and World size and they failed to gameplay. I didnt expect a very good story from an open world game but i expected at least better gameplay.The main problem of the game is the gameplay. When the battle starts the character is moving like drunkman, its like ice dancing, camera is awful and uncontrolable, it has autolocking and when you want to flee some enemies triggers battle stance and you stuck with low speed.Pathing and mapping are very bad too. AI is very bad too, there are 10 enemies and they are attacking one by one in most cases.There is no balance the game is very difficult in the beginning and very easy after the middle.Inventory is useless with 100 billion items that do nothing. Please dont quote me if you havent played dark souls guys.Go play dark souls and try witcher 3 after to see the difference by yourselfs. The story is mediocre for me and only the ending was bad.The music was very good and the quests was good too, it wasnt like go kill 5 cows comeback for reward. This game doesnt deserve 93% in metacritic.A 80-85 would be expected.I personally rate it 6.5/10. Dude, I love botch Dark Souls and Witcher series and what you say is complete bollocks on so many levels I'm not even going to write anything more. Just wow o.O
More explanation? He actually said what he doesnt like (offcorse he has some bad taste in game stories, but at last he regognized that SC2 story is bad, so i will forgive him) and pointed it. Where do you actually not agree with him?
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On December 28 2015 07:54 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2015 07:46 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On December 28 2015 07:23 phantomlancer23 wrote: CD Project is a very likeable developer for me.If you count in that they are a small company with a small budget the witcher 3 is a great achievement.Developers with bigger budgets and manpower have failed many times.But i overlook this when i rate a game. The size of the game was too big for them, they tried to impress us with graphics and World size and they failed to gameplay. I didnt expect a very good story from an open world game but i expected at least better gameplay.The main problem of the game is the gameplay. When the battle starts the character is moving like drunkman, its like ice dancing, camera is awful and uncontrolable, it has autolocking and when you want to flee some enemies triggers battle stance and you stuck with low speed.Pathing and mapping are very bad too. AI is very bad too, there are 10 enemies and they are attacking one by one in most cases.There is no balance the game is very difficult in the beginning and very easy after the middle.Inventory is useless with 100 billion items that do nothing. Please dont quote me if you havent played dark souls guys.Go play dark souls and try witcher 3 after to see the difference by yourselfs. The story is mediocre for me and only the ending was bad.The music was very good and the quests was good too, it wasnt like go kill 5 cows comeback for reward. This game doesnt deserve 93% in metacritic.A 80-85 would be expected.I personally rate it 6.5/10. Dude, I love botch Dark Souls and Witcher series and what you say is complete bollocks on so many levels I'm not even going to write anything more. Just wow o.O More explanation? He actually said what he doesnt like (offcorse he has some bad taste in game stories, but at last he regognized that SC2 story is bad, so i will forgive him) and pointed it. Where do you actually not agree with him?
To be honest, looking at his post it seems like he expected combat to be in the vein of Dark Souls and story of... I dunno, something way better than what we have in videogames? First problem is: Dark Souls is almost the only series that is doing this kind of hardcore action RPG and expecting other cRPG's to implement similiar mechanics, moves and overall feeling and difficulty is just asking for a disappointment.
So he complains about Geralt moving "not like Dark Souls" but with "weight" attached to himself, useless items (well, they're not really useless and guess which aRPG series is known for not having "hundreds of useless items"? Yes, Dark Souls - every other RPG will have tons of items) and difficulty not being "fair and challenging all the way". Maybe I'm overthinking it, but to me it really seems like he expected a Dark Souls game with better story and when he didn't find it, he went kinda mad.
Personally I didn't had any problem with camera moves, never really used autolocking on enemies, running from enemies and all of that. Altho I totally agree with lack of balance, even on hardest difficulty settings once you're 15+ level you're steamrolling everything. Except huge packs of drowners/wolves/nekkers, 'cause they're all dicks
Hope that provides better explanation. No offense meant btw!
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dark souls combat is great but almost hysterically overrated at this point
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On December 28 2015 12:00 trifecta wrote: dark souls combat is great but almost hysterically overrated at this point
Considering how refined it is, not really.
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I would hardly call Dark Souls an RPG. More of a fighting game where you roll through different levels.
I have to agree btw that the action stance triggering annoyed me as well. Overall though I enjoyed the combat although it was indeed nowhere similar to Dark Souls.
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I find it amusing to complain about slow clunky movements and then lauding a game renown for it purposeful slow clunky movement controls - I felt Dark Souls had terrible controls; Bloodborne however was vastly improved to the point where I have nothing to complain with regards to controls and combat flow
I feel like phantomlancer played on console and perhaps on a lower difficulty because playing on second hardest difficulty I still have to take care even when i'm 9-10 levels above what i'm fighting and have found it to be just as difficult later on as it was in the beginning. I have never experienced camera problems in my 80 going on 90 hours of play - I have had rare instances of trying to run away and Geralt turns around to fight instead and I have to hit the run key again and some minor annoyances with the controls so while not perfect there I would certainly not hold up dark souls as an example of perfect either. I have been swamped by 3 or even 4 monsters on regular occasion so no idea where his complaint about one at a time is coming from. Perhaps thats how it is in normal? Story is well written and very well performed but whether you like it is your personal taste. I rate it as one of the best game stories I have played but thats my preference speaking
He is welcome to dislike it but still every piece of "evidence" he uses is to justify his opinion (story excepted) is strangely contrary to my experiences and those of my friends whom I watched play. Maybe those issues are on normal difficulty and on console but personally, while I agree that the game is not perfect, it is easily the best game all round this year for me.
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Geralt tries to find his loved ones and gets caught in political schemes along the way. That's how I would summarize the story of the game, and it feels only slightly above average. However, that is not the core. At it's centre, I feel that TW3 is a rollercoaster for feelings.
See, all three games in the series are great at showing people can do miserable things in the name of their loved ones or of their ideals. Only a few characters stand up to the idea of "good", of doing what you need without harming those who stand aside, not involved in your pursuit. Somehow, in some way, it actually made me care about all those characters way more than in any other game. Everyone feels real, people with flaws and with strengths, with ideas you can accept as being feasible even if you don't agree with their point of view.
The game makes you care about it's characters, right before tossing them in some grotesque situation.+ Show Spoiler +The Baron questline, Triss's torture, Whoreson Junior's actions. Tell me if those left you indifferent.
That is why I absolutely loved The Witcher 3. It added a whole new layer of depth and for me that lets me look over any issues I have with gameplay.
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Witcher 3 best game of 2015
Honorable mentionings : Ori and the Blind Forest. Metal Gear Solid V The Phantom pain , Bloodborne, Fallout 4.
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On December 28 2015 02:24 phantomlancer23 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Imho story turned bad after kaer morhen battle.I didnt like the story after that point at all.It doesnt make sense to me.Ciri pass the portal and sacrificed herself, geralt told everyone she is dead but she appears again wow what a twist thats the 1950s b movies twist that happended two times in the game.The cheapest twist in all b movies let the spectator two minutes to think that the hero is dead. Come on CDPR its the last witcher give a memorable end kill geralt or kill ciri do something good something unique, make a big revealation.
i think you are judging a story too much by "what is told" instead of "how it is told". most people will enjoy the story in any medium if it is told well regardless of what is happening.a very unique one can help to boost its reception but if the storytelling is exceptional you have an exceptional piece of art regardless off what is told. witcher 3 is exactly that. the story can easily be explained in one sentence: geralt is traveling through the country to find clues of the whereabouts of his daughter, finds her and then either loses her again / cant give her the life she wanted / can give her the life she wanted. this is as generic as it gets but the way cdpr tells this story is far superior than the current industry standard. every character you meet in the game has a backstory which explains the goals and the goals determine the behaviour. no one is acting randomly and everything and everyone makes sense. thats why its so easy to relate to the characters and why the story is so appealing and touching for most people. plus they do a really good job in controlling the tempo of the story.
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Witcher 3's main story was an absolute mess in my opinion. I was getting some awesome PS:T vibes in the Velen area (especially that first scene with + Show Spoiler +the tapestry/ladies of the woods ), but then the plot takes a complete nosedive in Novigrad with pacing that's all over the place. + Show Spoiler +The fact that Dandelion has met the love of his life just happens to slip Zoltan's mind while he has you chasing around after different women in cutscene after cutscene....what?
Ironically, the game faces exactly the same problem that the books apparently did: the Witcher series is far more effective when it's dealing with short stories (e.g. Bloody Baron) than it is at handling an overarching narrative. Ciri is an awful and boring character (can't really blame CDPR for that, though) and the game makes very little effort of getting players invested in Geralt/Ciri's relationship. Not to mention the open-world design is completely at odds with the urgent narrative of the game.
+ Show Spoiler +I may also be a bit salty that CDPR basically decided that the first two games in this series might as well have never existed.
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