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Yea I also found arms race to be more enjoyable than valve DM.
When I want to DM I need the server to be: FFA, give back full clip on kill, no spawn protection, no radar and preferably the spawn have to be handled well (no weird spawn, no spawn in LoS of someone else). And I found the perfect 16-slot server for that, except its always full and you have to wait a little bit in the queue to enter, but its a minor inconvenience.
Valve really needs to work on those goddamn casual modes. Casual is hell and needs to be changed to competitive unranked with real rules except no ranks (or atleast add that mode), arms race is fine but the wallhack thingy for the first on the scoreboard needs to be removed, DM needs some changes to the rules (see above). Demolition is fine I guess.
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France9034 Posts
On August 28 2015 00:07 Roggay wrote: Yea I also found arms race to be more enjoyable than valve DM.
When I want to DM I need the server to be: FFA, give back full clip on kill, no spawn protection, no radar and preferably the spawn have to be handled well (no weird spawn, no spawn in LoS of someone else). And I found the perfect 16-slot server for that, except its always full and you have to wait a little bit in the queue to enter, but its a minor inconvenience.
Valve really needs to work on those goddamn casual modes. Casual is hell and needs to be changed to competitive unranked with real rules except no ranks (or atleast add that mode), arms race is fine but the wallhack thingy for the first on the scoreboard needs to be removed, DM needs some changes to the rules (see above). Demolition is fine I guess.
Was going to ask for that server's address, but looks like you won't give it up if you want to enter
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Here is what you shouldn't do :
- Insult every people you see in your team that seems lower level than you. - Call every player with a little luck a hacker. - Be a dick in general.
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On August 28 2015 01:56 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 00:07 Roggay wrote: Yea I also found arms race to be more enjoyable than valve DM.
When I want to DM I need the server to be: FFA, give back full clip on kill, no spawn protection, no radar and preferably the spawn have to be handled well (no weird spawn, no spawn in LoS of someone else). And I found the perfect 16-slot server for that, except its always full and you have to wait a little bit in the queue to enter, but its a minor inconvenience.
Valve really needs to work on those goddamn casual modes. Casual is hell and needs to be changed to competitive unranked with real rules except no ranks (or atleast add that mode), arms race is fine but the wallhack thingy for the first on the scoreboard needs to be removed, DM needs some changes to the rules (see above). Demolition is fine I guess. Was going to ask for that server's address, but looks like you won't give it up if you want to enter 95.172.92.240:27015 I don't mind, as long as not everyone tries to get on it when I'm trying :D Also, the server limits the number of awps to 2 per team, which is nice.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
If you approach casual as if it's a clownfest then it'll be a clownfest. If you actually approach it with the mentality that hey, maybe I can practice holding some angles, playing off spawn points, working entries maybe you can actually get some decent practice out of it. DM and aim maps won't help you specifically practice entries or holding sites; that's more about developing muscle memory and twitch aim. While the other players may suck that doesn't mean it isn't sufficient practice just to get used to specific angles both defensively and offensively. You don't need to get flashed out of position to reposition yourself anyway and practice a different angle.
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On August 28 2015 03:07 Souma wrote: If you approach casual as if it's a clownfest then it'll be a clownfest. If you actually approach it with the mentality that hey, maybe I can practice holding some angles, playing spawn points, working entries maybe you can actually get some decent practice out of it. DM and aim maps won't help you specifically practice entries or holding sites; that's more about developing muscle memory and twitch aim. While the other players may suck that doesn't mean it isn't sufficient practice just to get used to specific angles both defensively and offensively. You don't need to get flashed out of position to reposition yourself anyway and practice a different angle. I strongly disagree. I really don't think you can get anything out of casual except an headache. If you want to practice something else than your aim you are much better off either hoping in an empty server, watching a stream/videos or playing real 5v5.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
If I can get good practice out of casual and not a headache, anyone can. It's all about mentality. Just mute everyone and do your thing. If you die, alt-tab out and wait till the next round.
It's freaking casual; you're not supposed to take it so seriously that you get a headache in the first place. That's what boggles me about people who can't enjoy casual. In what world is it supposed to be taken so seriously that it frustrates you?
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Yeah but what can't you do on mm or dm that you can do on casual? It's just a worse version of everything else, and you have to wait 3 minutes every time to practice between deaths
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Obviously you can practice everything in MM? But if I wanted to practice everything in MM I would never load up an aim map, DM or anything else and just grind MM all day errday. It's about what can you practice outside of MM and other competitive matchmaking things.
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No I still don't get why anyone would play casual to practice anything. Sure if you want to rush everywhere and get 40kills in 15 rounds against clueless people, but other than that...
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I've already explained why multiple times. DM/aim maps do not teach you how to play off spawn points and certain angles. Casual does a good job of letting you remember angles when you're entrying especially, because there'll be like five guys on a site all holding common angles (or if it's on Inferno, five guys by car/corner/sandbags in banana) and while they do suck and you'll probably kill them all, it's still a good way to learn proper crosshair placement when entrying.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On August 26 2015 09:26 Souma wrote: - Incessantly switch to your knife when you're not 100% safe. I do this a lot
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On August 28 2015 03:14 ArtyK wrote: Yeah but what can't you do on mm or dm that you can do on casual? It's just a worse version of everything else, and you have to wait 3 minutes every time to practice between deaths
Yeah I dont get it, in my limited time (and I am ranking like every 10 games or so upto DMG) playing Casual is absolute Cancer,
Raw aim DM Is fine but playing angles and improving awareness you dont realllyyyy need to learn smokes or play aim maps because alot of the way you use the environment in the maps + Show Spoiler +(I played 1.6 at a pretty high level but havent touched an fps for 10 years and the amount of clutter in the maps was the most jarring thing to get over . just comes down to playing MM,
How to defend sites against certain smokes and flashes, how to play around (baiting lulz) the guys your holding sites with. What kind of sound you get where someone is relative to you on the map. It just comes from playing MM. And honestly the intangibles and game sense are way more important.
My only really peeve is tryhards who bottom frag but talk about the game like they wrote a thesis on CS tactics and just whine at people all game for not being as "tactically aware" as they are.
I normally just mute them. I play to unwind so I cant handle that shit.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
When someone says "casual is cancer" I instantly know they're not approaching it correctly. If anyone takes casual seriously they need to take a step back and reevaluate themselves.
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On August 28 2015 04:50 Souma wrote: When someone says "casual is cancer" I instantly know they're not approaching it correctly. If anyone takes casual seriously they need to take a step back and reevaluate themselves.
Why ? Why should I spend the limited time I have in game playing on a 20 man server. No one is taking it seriously, its just not something that is entertaining. If you feel differently, great. But your justifications dont really lineup with the way most people feel it seems.
I dont want to spend part of the game alt tabbed. I want to play the game. I dont see why "your mentality" is the right one ? Seems a bit pompous to think so.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
1) Most people take casual seriously and thus call it "cancerous" or get "headaches" and tons of other ridiculousness which obviously means they're taking it way more seriously than they should.
2) I assume you haven't been reading over everything because it's been stated that obviously MMing is better practice. We're talking about ways to practice outside of competitive play.
3) Seriously, people here need to reevaluate how they approach certain things instead of complaining about the irrelevant. If you don't think there are things that you can gain from practicing in casual, you have issues.
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On August 28 2015 04:57 Souma wrote: 1) Most people take casual seriously and thus call it "cancerous" or get "headaches" and tons of other ridiculousness which obviously means they're taking it way more seriously than they should.
2) I assume you haven't been reading over everything because it's been stated that obviously MMing is better practice. We're talking about ways to practice outside of competitive play.
3) Seriously, people here need to reevaluate how they approach certain things instead of complaining about the irrelevant. If you don't think there are things that you can gain from practicing in casual, you have issues.
1) I dont even take MM that seriously. Game so far is ez, I can break most sights just with a flash and a peek with DMG's 2) I didnt argue what was better practice just now. I dont see what your addressing, but yes ok.
3) I dont think there are many things you can gain from practicing in casual. Unless shooting headless chickens and spending half the game alt tabbed is your idea of casual practice. Kudos. I disagree. Im sure if people can afford more time to the game thats fine. I cant so for me its cancerous to spend that time in casual. You keep bringing up mentality as if that some holy grail solution and thats fine but dont impose it on people and tell them they have "issues" because they dont feel the same way.
My personal feeling is to just play MM and not be afraid to de rank or whatever that is. It will put you by and large where you deserve to be and you will be better off for it. Theres no real reason to dodge it in the first place.
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1) Aren't you like DMG or something? Game so ez yes.
2) How to defend sites against certain smokes and flashes, how to play around (baiting lulz) the guys your holding sites with. What kind of sound you get where someone is relative to you on the map. It just comes from playing MM. And honestly the intangibles and game sense are way more important.
3) Yes, most people don't think there are many things one can gain from practicing casual and that's the issue that's been brought up. You can gain a lot from casual (which has been explained over and over again). Just because you prefer to run around casual with no real goal doesn't mean that's the same for others, and that's the underlying problem right there. Anyone who says "oh everyone sucks in casual" is complaining about the irrelevant. What does that matter? I can practice in an empty server and gain something meaningful just practicing crosshair placement. Surely having a head to click at does not make it worse.
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On August 28 2015 05:08 Souma wrote:1) Aren't you like DMG or something? Game so ez yes. 2) Show nested quote +How to defend sites against certain smokes and flashes, how to play around (baiting lulz) the guys your holding sites with. What kind of sound you get where someone is relative to you on the map. It just comes from playing MM. And honestly the intangibles and game sense are way more important. 3) Anyone who says "oh everyone sucks in casual" is complaining about the irrelevant. What does that matter? I can practice in an empty server and gain something meaningful just practicing crosshair placement. Surely having a head to click at does not make it worse.
Yeah im not denying that. But I would probably be saying the same thing when I rank so I dono...
You can do that in DM to.. I dont quite follow how Casual is valuable in this instance ?
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
No, you cannot practice entrying into sites in DM. Everyone spawns all over the place. DMing is for developing muscle memory and twitch aim, not working angles.
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