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Norway28267 Posts
or in case picture posting doesn't work here , which I've never tried before, here's the url : http://users2.ev1.net/~bobcar/scl/wcggroups.gif
so well everyone post your picks for top 2 for the different brackets
my picks would be something like
group A: Naz+HK, whear has a chance but I don't think he'll make it. most likely #4 seems like fizban.
group B: this one is hard. elky advances for sure, if he get #1 france that is. (which im pretty certain he will.) but I mean everyone cept ronny and executor are highly skilled players capable of beating eachother. I guess I'll go for grrr, simply cause well, he's grrr... I think ducky and beast probably have better chances than infinity and wizard though.
group C: starsin and socke. SuKeR gets #3.. only one really good player here.
group D: wowow harrrrrrrrrrrrd boxer fo sho. I think sobad gets #2, however froz has a pretty good chance.. didi, androide and possibly france #2 are good players too though. poor kazachstan #1.
group E: yellow and strafe. ranger has a chance, dunno if mumu[rush] is good or not, but I wouldn't rule him out. yellow advances for sure though.
group F: MTY and eSsaY. essay goes 7-0 and MTY 6-1, they can't possibly lose to anyone but eachother.
group G: Fisheye and Star.Leona I haven't heard much or seen much from star.leona, but the fact that he qualified from china is good enough for me. eza has a good chance too though, and cafone can probably steal a win or two. (pretty cheesy player from what i've seen ^_^)
group H: blackman advances for sure. other than that either hellghost or chobo, either way the #2 player will lose his first two games in the tournament afterwards..
I dunno if I'd characterize group D or group B as more group of death'ish, but those are easily the hardest brackets..
seems like whoever made the groups has a strong hatred for both usa and france, considering the brackets the american and french players were put in.
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<b class=quote>On October 16 2002 17:33 Liquid`Drone wrote:</B><BR> ... seems like whoever made the groups has a strong hatred for both usa and france, considering the brackets the american and french players were put in.
Haha.. > I love conspiracy theories. The brackets where drawn in China, and the Chinese players are all in the "easier" brackets, except for H.
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Norway28267 Posts
not like I was serious.
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Group A: Nazgul and Whear, maybe HK. I have huge faith in Naz. I don't know a lot about HK tho, so I'm betting for a player I know.
Group B: Grrr and Elky (given that he's F#1). See Drone's reasoning which I agree on.
Group C: starsin and socke. See Drone.
Group D: Hard group. Boxer first, because he's Boxer. The rest, omg, I don't know. Androide has proven himself quite the suprise beating Asmo in several games in Russian WCGs. Froz is Froz, I mean, he's good but not masterful imo. DIDI8... ahhh, total wildcard, imo. And Sobad has some real skills there.. ok, betting for Boxer and SoBaD.
Group E: Yellow and Ranger or Strafe.
Group F: I agree with Drone on this one too.
Group G: Fisheye and Leona, maybe Toss.
Group H: Goin' with Drone.
Man, this is going to be great. Some really, really nice matches coming up. Does anyone know if they are using the same gay gay gay rep system as last year?
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from what i heard mumu isnt good (yeeh)
Does anyone know what ranger uses?
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If you mean race Ranger is often random or he'll choose a race if he thinks his opponent has more trouble with that race. Apparently there's a system but he hasn't wanted to give it away in any interviews I've seen .
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will we be able to c the reps oof these games?
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What about Legionnaire i heard he beat MTY 5-1 recently .
go aussies go!
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Norway28267 Posts
maybe he'll surprise us all. :O
haven't heard anything about him apart from that he's the best australian gamer, which in my experience doesn't say that much t.t
what race does he play?
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Norway28267 Posts
maybe, last year it was possible.. hopefully this year too, considering that wcg is a worldwide arrangement and the koreans can't expect nonkoreans to watch vods with korean commentators over replays. :/
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United States12181 Posts
You just reminded me of something Drone. The WCG USA Finals in NY this year were broadcasted worldwide by TSN. It's very sad how little the TSN announcer knew about Starcraft. If you haven't heard the mp3 of the coverage, it's both sad and funny. If American companies (that is, more than CompUSA) put even a small fraction of resources into televised tournaments and pro-gaming in general, I would die a happy man. And, since English is the most influential language in the world, other countries could more or less benefit from English-speaking commentators They could do what the Olympics do and broadcast in multiple languages simultaneously.
<b class=quote>On October 16 2002 19:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:</B><BR> maybe, last year it was possible.. hopefully this year too, considering that wcg is a worldwide arrangement and the koreans can't expect nonkoreans to watch vods with korean commentators over replays. :/
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Alright, I did this earlier, but now that there's more official players, I'll give it another whirl.
Group A: Nazgul / Whear. Naz is a big newbie, but he'll probably get lucky, so he gets a nod . I also have to root for Whear cuz he's such a good guy and a very solid terran (stay away from toss plz). Possible upsets from Fizban and HK, but as with the other guys I'm not real familiar with HK, and I think Whear can handle Fizban.
Group B: Grrr / Elky. Elky presuming he qualifies, but it's still an incredibly competitive bracket with Beast and Infinity as potential challengers. I think Grrr's still got the game to handle a win, and Elky's obviously just playing fantastic now. Wizard? I'm still surprised he got to the USA WCG Finals.
Group C: starsin / socke. It's already been explained why.
Group D: Joseh / Kazahkstan1. There's no real competition for them in this group. Seriously though, it doesn't just say AUTO next to Boxer's name because he got a free entrance into the tourney. This guy's auto-advancing to the next "round". After that it's so tight. I'm going to root for Froz though, gotta show my patriotic spirit right? Not to mention Froz seemed to really be rolling at USA WCG. Soso, Didi, and Androide could all grab that spot however.
Group E: Yellow / hmm. Yellow's pretty well got a lock on his spot because of his superb Zerg, after that I'm really not very familiar with these guys at all. From what I could dig up, my pick is going to be [pG]Ranger though.
Group F: Essay / MTY. They really should dominate this bracket. I haven't seen any of Lego's recent matches, but the ones before that don't indicate he's going anywhere fast.
Group G: Fisheye / Leona. Basically the same reasons as everyone else. I know Fisheye's better than most of those guys, and I know a long list of Chinese players that Leona beat who are better than them.
Group H: Just call this the talent division. Blackman should advance or retire from BW. After that I'm clueless, but I'll take chobo.
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Group D: Joseh / Kazahkstan1. There's no real competition for them in this group. Seriously though, it doesn't just say AUTO next to Boxer's name because he got a free entrance into the tourney. This guy's auto-advancing to the next "round". After that it's so tight. I'm going to root for Froz though, gotta show my patriotic spirit right? Not to mention Froz seemed to really be rolling at USA WCG. Soso, Didi, and Androide could all grab that spot however
rofl
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A: Nazgul and HK B: Grrrr... and Elky C: Junwi and Socke D: Boxer and France#2 (probably Chobo) E: YellOw and Ranger (ranger has pulled off soe big wins) F: Oddysay and MTY G: Fisheye and Star.Leona H: HellGhost and Blackman
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group d - group of death
group h - group of life....that group really sucks
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A- Naz, HK. I don't think Whear will make 5-2. B- Elky, Grrrr. End of story. Elky advances 7-0, Grrrr 6-1. Nobody here is even close to them. C- Starsin, Whoever. Star advances 6-1 with a freak loss in there somewhere. D- Boxer, Froz. Sobad has a hole in his swing. Froz will find it, while Androide won't. Also, Froz is better tvp and tvt then Androide. Froz advances. DIDI punches a chair or 3. E- Yellow, Whoever. F- Oddy, MTY. G- Leona, Whoever. Luckily Fisheye won't get 8 rine rushed and outclicked 2x by Boxer first round. H- Oh man lol.
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or was that chobo? i forget lolz
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<b class=quote>On October 16 2002 20:48 tenbagger wrote:</B><BR> group d - group of death
group h - group of life....that group really sucks
Dont underestimate this group... BlackMan is probably the best zerg playing wcg after yellow and junwi, and Hellghost, this one Ill just let u all see on wcg... the group is the easier but I really would like to see what this 2 guys can do in the next round if they dont face any korean player or naz or elky.... well, luck is part of the game...
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I'd counter that Blackman's Zerg is also very "limited". He doesn't have a wide variety of moves, so his "talent" will be hampered by those limitations.
Also, you can check out SCL's hot replay to see why I don't think HellGhost will be able to advance.
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but his group is so easy..
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Yes SCL's hot replay made me laugh . What puzzles me is how he won using that strat tho' .
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Group A: HK(#1), Nazgul(#2) Group B: Elky(#1), Beast(#2) <--- in top shape ( Sorry Grrrr ) Group C: Junwi(#1), Socke(#2) Group D: Boxer(#1), Sobad(#2) (Froz can also make it, but he will be fucked up because of the shift horraire; trust me , it has an important effect) Group E: Yellow(#1), Oem)Strafe(#2) ( Ranger = instable, because of his multiple races against everybody, it just depends on luck and i dont believe in luck. He won't know his oppenents this time. I'm sure he wont even finish #3, i guess #4 ) Group F: Essay(#1), MTY(#2) Group G: Fisheye(#1), Cafone(#2) <--- will make a surprise Group H: Blackman(#1), HellGhost(#2)
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hehe as the last aussie said, dont count legionnaire out. I obbed 2 of his games vs Elky, leg took them both. if he plays to his capabilities, he will finish top 2 <--(laugh if i get this wrong)
oh yeah, he plays toss, in answer to your question.
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Ok Here My Picks
A:Naz/Whear: I got to think naz is lock to be in the top 2. Im picking Whear cuss i feel i have to pick someone from the U.S.A. I cant bring myself to pick Froz! or wiz.
B:Elky/Grrr: Got to feel elky the best out of them all. As for Grrr he got to much Exp in big games to lose.He also a winner and Winners, win and losers, lose(its a mind set).I just wont ever bet against him doing anything in the realm of Starcraft.
C:The Korean/The german: You Dont even need to know the names in this group.The flags say it all.
D:Boxer/didi: Boxer as someone said b4 aint got that auto there for nothing.i see replays of almost everyonee in this group. From what i seen didi>SoBad>Froz!>=androide.
E:Yellow/Ranger: ok let me state this now so i dont have to for odd.All Koreans=Lock.Im still in shock ranger won the russian Perlims.I thought for sure amostdey(not sure how to spell it)or androide would win.I never seen Ranger till this year but i seen The other two so ranger must be good.Ill give him my vote.
F:odd/MTY: i Think this group will be harder then people think.I heard good things about legionnaire,MTY,[I'm]Radu and Atmosphere.But i never seen anyone of them play b4 beside [I'm]Radu.So ill go will the rest of you and pick MTY
E:Fisheye/Cafone: I think Everyone sleeping on Cafone big time.I see him loseing one game and thats to Fisheye.
F:Blackman/Who cares: This group was not given the letter F for nothing.Cuss it Fails to meet The lvl of skill in the other groups.
My Top 4 To Finish=#1,Boxer,#2Yellow,#3odd,#4elky(sorry naz)
Upset Top 4=#1Boxer,#2Naz,#3elky,Grrr(If the Terrans kill off Yellow and u draw a good map i think you in there naz)
Mega Upset pick=#1Froz!,#2Whear,#3Wiz,#4Naz(LET ME DREAM YOU BASTEREDS LET ME DREAM!!!)
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Canada5062 Posts
Tournaments can be unpredictable and much will depend on game day conditions. But, I believe in the following:
- All of the Koreans will make it out of their Group, practically with one hand tied. How can they NOT? They have enormous experience playing in pressure-cooker competitions: they do it for a living, remember? Besides, their Groups are relatively easy (except for Boxer, but he's still gonna rip through everyone like an F6 tornado no matter who he's grouped with...).
- Look for a Zerg (probably either Yellow or Junwi - yes, Junwi is that good now) to do well in the competition, not just because of the maps, but (according to Nazgul) also because non-Koreans don't have as much experience playing v world-class Z.
- Grrr and ElkY will make it out of Group play. I do not believe Grrr has what it takes atm to make it any farther. Elky, with his experience, should make top 8 (unless he draws v a Korean in the 2nd round).
- Unless the brackets for the 2nd + rounds screws them up, look for at least 3 of the final 4 to be Korean (I would've said all 4, but had to leave a spot for either Nazgul or ElkY). That didn't happen last year (Boxer and GoRush in top 4), but, the Koreans this year are WAY scarier. Unlike Doggi and GoRush, every one of the Korean gamers this year are pros. They live and breathe this kind of competition, with at least one (and more usually 3 or 4) live & broadcast TV tournament each and every week non-stop. It'd be unfair if they DIDN'T do well.
- Based on reputation alone, expect to see at least 2 and maybe even 3 Chinese players in top 16.
- I think Yellow will win it.
That's what I'm calling and the only thing I'm guaranteeing is that I'll be wrong.
[EDIT] Nazgul's journey may end if he meets up with any of the Koreans or ElkY. Again, the training and experience factor. Everyone should cheer for him, but everyone should also consider him an underdog.
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juwni won't lose to anyone in his group
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On the Legionnaire thing (its funny how all the aussies talk about him ) he is a total wildcard. I really cant see him winning enough to make it the next bracket simply because he relies on very unsolid gameplay to win. He can potentially beat everyone in his group (even oddy) if he's dropping well. The other thing working in his favour is that he a relative unknown meaning that he will be able to go into his games with knowledge of his opponents gameplay that they wont have. I think either second of third place for Leg depending on if his drops can damage MTY or Oddy bad enough.
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Norway10161 Posts
Heh - I won't make another list, don't know half the players good enough. Only a few of the foreigners have what it takes to place in top 8 tho, imho top 8 will be something like:
4 koreans (as mensrea pointed out, these guys do this for a living. They are miles above everybody, and have out-played most other pro's to get here; Oddy beat among others NaDa, and in the ruins behind all of them are the reminants a flurry of great players like Garimto, Sync, etc.) ElkY (he's up there. 8-0 in OGN. Beat Sync, Oddy. Owns zergs up and down. Best non-korean right now)
Other than that I'd say MTY, Grrrr and maybe Naz is good enough.
And as naz/mensrea pointed out; there are no real good non-korean zerg, so many westers will get a surprise.
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BlackMan is probably the best zerg playing wcg after yellow and junwi, and Hellghost, this one Ill just let u all see on wcg... the group is the easier but I really would like to see what this 2 guys can do in the next round if they dont face any korean player or naz or elky.... well, luck is part of the game...
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Linyu)Toss is disqualified btw. Being a chinese who plays for Swiss is not allowed.
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thats just wrong
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<b class=quote>On October 17 2002 11:26 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:</B><BR> Linyu)Toss is disqualified btw. Being a chinese who plays for Swiss is not allowed.
That's not right. Why was he even allowed to participate in the qualifying then? They need to have the rules done before, not after.
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The rules were very clear beforehand, but checking players' passports just to play in a tournament is a bit drastic I think. I thnk it's 100% fair that he is not allowed to play. Why should they allow a Chinese player to represent Switzerland? 'THAT would just be wrong in my opinion.
My picks:
A) Whear/Nazgul B) Grrrr/Elky C) Starsin/Socke D) Boxer/Froz E) Yellow/Strafe F) MTY/Essay G) Leona/Fisheye H) Blackman/Helghost
There might be some upsets such as Beast getting top 2 in group B and/or Sobad getting top 2 in D, but generally these are the people I expect to see among the final 16.
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OK then. I thought they changed the rules after Linyu had won. If he knew, and intentionally broke the rules by entering, then he did a bm thing, to say the least. If it was all just a mistake, nm.
I didn't think it was impossible him qual, because I know of cases where non-citizen can represent a country internationally in other sports. I forget what sport it was, but if you where a resident for 2 or more years of a country, you could represent them in international competition,
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I put more faith than most in Europeans and Americans simply because they AREN't Koreans, and suprise is a good tactic.
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Ahh, but are slowness and lack of skill a good tactic? Just kidding. Some Europeans, Canadians (duh) and Americans have proven that they can really stun the crowds over there. I have the same advances as Nazgul, only I don't think SoBad can advance at all. He chokes under pressure, really badly. In the game against Grrr... in the Taiwanese Tour thing, Grrr... seemed to just be toying with him (in the head), doing a whole bunch of weird, frustrating things, and then eventually just decided to put it away, and did so. SoBad didn't stand a chance, and I think he'll choke here too.
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Ya but geez, Grrrrr is super-experienced... I think Sobad has a very good chance, it's not like they are all as experienced in that sheeit as Grrr is (at least I hope they aren't..).
But btw, Drone: I had no idea there were Norwegians in Liquid. Where do you live? (What's your name? Who's your father? What's your account number? Address? What bus do I take to get there?)
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Norway10161 Posts
On October 17 2002 16:13 Born)Slippy wrote: But btw, Drone: I had no idea there were Norwegians in Liquid. Where do you live? (What's your name? Who's your father? What's your account number? Address? What bus do I take to get there?)
Haha, I bet he really want to give you that info now
Drone = Eri, seriously old school. Been around since forever, at least I remember him and another guy (lethe?) running the sc compo @ tg '99. Drone hihihi~~~~~
- Blaze
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Eriador...?
Were you two at the Oslo/LillestrmLAN thingie?
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Norway28267 Posts
I live in trondheim so I went to tilt instead. (where I won the bw compo, look around for the newspost if you didn't see it..)
and yeah, im eriador, and yeah I started playing back in april 98 when sc was first released. :D
hi iceni, I still kinda remember those teamgames. =]
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Plouckie: I can tell you what happens if they do advance. They both lose.
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Korea (South)417 Posts
Good Luck to Nazgul** SoBaD FiSheYe Blackman DiDi8 Wizard and BOXER!
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Canada5062 Posts
On October 17 2002 21:39 )Is(Honest wrote: Good Luck to Nazgul** SoBaD FiSheYe Blackman DiDi8 Wizard and BOXER!
To borrow a phrase from the feminist movement: Boxer needs luck like a fish needs a bicycle.
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That Phrase is from the feminist movement? lol
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Canada5062 Posts
Gloria Steinem (the noted feminist and founder of "Ms" magazine) is often attributed the original phrase ("A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"), but this is wrong. In fact, no one's sure who made it, tho it obviously finds its inspiration in the feminist movement.
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I won the BW compo at the LAN in Narvik, hahah, but skill was virtually non-excistent, so... :/
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Whoa, so proud of uuuu :D
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Norway28267 Posts
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