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There are plenty of individual reports but not much thorough research and investigation, but many deaths and reports of being missing, especially amonng children in third world countries, are suspected to be killed to have their organs extracted to be given to rich people in the US and other first world countries. I can attest to that. In 2003-2004, while living in Jordan, there has been a small yet terrifying wave of people being found nearly dead, or already dead, having some of their organs taken away and money dropped on their bodies.
The most disturbing event was a bride which went missing on her wedding day. The next day, she was found dead, with her liver and kindeys taken away, and I believe 2000 or 3000 USD thrown on her body. Turns out for this specific event, and perhaps more of the likes, that some iraqi doctors were doing these actions to sell organs in Iraq during the war, causing misery and benefiting from it. I think one or two doctors were found then, which were directly hanged.
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This is one of those cases where religion isn't just an "innocent belief" which is sort of life tilting. Refusing to save a life with no harm to yourself is disgusting. The whole attachment to a physical body is irrational anyway, it's just a piece of meat at that point and if it can save another life, it's awesome.
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I'm a donor, though I can't choose where my organs go without a will I guess, I would prefer my organs go to a dying child than some fat fuck that ruined his first set of kidneys and thinks he's somehow entitled to another pair that he can destroy.
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On March 26 2012 02:21 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote:
Cons [list=ordered][*]The basic con is religion. Jehovah's Witness and Shintoism are two significant religions opposed to organ donation. In Jehovah's Witness, it is not a prohibition on organ donation per se, but on blood transfusion. But since all organ donations require blood transfusion, organ donation is technically prohibited....
Technically accurate but misleading. You can do all sorts of major operations with either cell salvage or other methods of blood saving. There's even a documentary featuring on a liver transplant done without blood transfusion as part of 'Knocking. http://www.knocking.org/Jehovahs_Witness_Blood_Transfusion.html (See Bottom).
For Jehovah's Witnesses, its a personal choice so your claim is misleading.
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I hope to be a doctor when I grow up and help to save lives or improve the quality of life for some people. That said, I am hesitant about being an organ donor. Right now on my Driver's License, I'm listed as a donor, but I am considering changing that.
It's not a religious thing for me or anything, but I'm just a bit leery of the fact that I will have very little control over who gets my organs. Like, do I want my lung to go to a lifelong smoker who got lung cancer, or my liver to some guy who drank and did drugs? I don't want to provide for some guy who screwed up their first set of organs.
I figure if I save enough lives as a doctor, its okay if I skip out on organ donation.
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On March 26 2012 03:49 ticklishmusic wrote: I hope to be a doctor when I grow up and help to save lives or improve the quality of life for some people. That said, I am hesitant about being an organ donor. Right now on my Driver's License, I'm listed as a donor, but I am considering changing that.
It's not a religious thing for me or anything, but I'm just a bit leery of the fact that I will have very little control over who gets my organs. Like, do I want my lung to go to a lifelong smoker who got lung cancer, or my liver to some guy who drank and did drugs? I don't want to provide for some guy who screwed up their first set of organs.
I figure if I save enough lives as a doctor, its okay if I skip out on organ donation.
That's some fucked up logic you got going on right there. So what if people made bad choices, do they deserve to die because of it? And what if your organs went to someone who you (who would be dead and couldn't give a fuck anyway) deemed worthy? Yet they wouldn't, because you pussied out.
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On March 26 2012 03:49 ticklishmusic wrote: I hope to be a doctor when I grow up and help to save lives or improve the quality of life for some people. That said, I am hesitant about being an organ donor. Right now on my Driver's License, I'm listed as a donor, but I am considering changing that.
It's not a religious thing for me or anything, but I'm just a bit leery of the fact that I will have very little control over who gets my organs. Like, do I want my lung to go to a lifelong smoker who got lung cancer, or my liver to some guy who drank and did drugs? I don't want to provide for some guy who screwed up their first set of organs.
I figure if I save enough lives as a doctor, its okay if I skip out on organ donation.
Just saying that you don't get an organ if you are a smoker, you'd have to quit beforehand. Same goes with alchoholics and liver transplants.
What makes it a bit harder is that you'd maybe have to transplant a healthy liver into a patient with hepatic cancer and then he is quite likely to have it pop up again.
But then as a doctor, you don't really have a chance. You just help everyone. No questions asked.
"I figure if I save enough lives as a doctor, its okay if I skip out on organ donation"
this line just strikes me as hypocritical.
/medstudent.
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There is also the possibility that a doctor might be more interested in the organs of a patient than the patient him/herself.
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Oh hi, another productive religious discussion.
Yes all healthy corpses should donate their organs to save lives, this one is a no brainer.
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On March 26 2012 03:49 ticklishmusic wrote: I hope to be a doctor when I grow up and help to save lives or improve the quality of life for some people. That said, I am hesitant about being an organ donor. Right now on my Driver's License, I'm listed as a donor, but I am considering changing that.
It's not a religious thing for me or anything, but I'm just a bit leery of the fact that I will have very little control over who gets my organs. Like, do I want my lung to go to a lifelong smoker who got lung cancer, or my liver to some guy who drank and did drugs? I don't want to provide for some guy who screwed up their first set of organs.
I figure if I save enough lives as a doctor, its okay if I skip out on organ donation.
So you want to become a doctor, but you're only willing to help people with a healthy lifestyle?
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On March 26 2012 04:13 Kickboxer wrote: Oh hi, another productive religious discussion.
Yes all healthy corpses should donate their organs to save lives, this one is a no brainer.
Even if they elect not to donate them for whatever reasons? That just assumes the state/some institude automaticly gets possession of a body...
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Hypocritical isn't the word, more like cognitive dissonance. Totally appreciate the thinly veiled insults, by the way (to hellroxya).
My friend's uncle had lung cancer and he smoked since he was a teenager. He got a new lung. After a few months, he promptly started smoking again. I do believe if people made a shitty decision like smoking their whole life and they get cancer, they can live without my lung. This kind of situation occurs more than I feel is acceptable.
My best friend is most likely going to die of cancer before we get out of college-- 3 years or so. We both want to be doctors. She is literally one of the kindest and most intelligent people I know. When I know that she's probably screwed while people who smoke and abuse their bodies could get a second chance... it just makes me mad and think about how unfair the world is.
Anyways, my position might change. We'll see.
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On March 26 2012 03:44 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm a donor, though I can't choose where my organs go without a will I guess, I would prefer my organs go to a dying child than some fat fuck that ruined his first set of kidneys and thinks he's somehow entitled to another pair that he can destroy.
Im pretty sure there is a medical board that reviews these things, so organs dont go to people that you described as such. Or I would assume that they are on the very bottom of a very long list.
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On March 26 2012 02:21 fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi wrote:
Pros [list=ordered][*]In the case of the dead donor, the organ(s) are used to save lives when they would otherwise be useless [*]In the case of the reciever, he will not only get an extention of life, but also an improved quality, as a new organ will help him stay away from mechanical ad chemical interventions to his health
You're listing the same thing twice. First you're saying the organs aren't being wasted. Then you're saying the organs are being put to good use. It comes down to the same thing.
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[Quote]So what if people made bad choices, do they deserve to die because of it?[/Qoute]Hate to break it for ye, but yes! This is how life works, especially if you made bad choices regarding your health. For example, you have 2 people: the first is a athlete child taking good care of himself, yet has a chronic disorder in his lungs. The other is a 30-ish guy who's been smoking for over 10 years. The physicians will always be hesitant to give the smoker a new set of lungs.
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On March 26 2012 04:21 ticklishmusic wrote: Hypocritical isn't the word, more like cognitive dissonance. Totally appreciate the thinly veiled insults, by the way (to hellroxya). . how was his insult veiled at all rofl
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On March 26 2012 03:49 ticklishmusic wrote: I hope to be a doctor when I grow up and help to save lives or improve the quality of life for some people. That said, I am hesitant about being an organ donor. Right now on my Driver's License, I'm listed as a donor, but I am considering changing that.
It's not a religious thing for me or anything, but I'm just a bit leery of the fact that I will have very little control over who gets my organs. Like, do I want my lung to go to a lifelong smoker who got lung cancer, or my liver to some guy who drank and did drugs? I don't want to provide for some guy who screwed up their first set of organs.
I figure if I save enough lives as a doctor, its okay if I skip out on organ donation.
Even if your organs do go to someone that you don't want them to, you should look at it as your organ donation moves EVERYONE up one spot on the list for an organ. If the alcoholic didn't get your liver he would just get the next guy's liver anyway, and then the dying kid in line behind him will still be waiting.
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i dont want a doctor not giving his 100% when/if i have an accident just because he knows by letting me die he can save 4 of his other patients.
so no dead live donor for me.
if my family needs a kidney/liver and i can give it with few implications on my health then by all means. although i would prefer to just buy a kidney from the black market or pay some guy a few thousands to let us use his.
health>all if some money can buy me/my family better health and longevity, money or ethics are not a factor.
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On March 26 2012 04:21 ticklishmusic wrote: Hypocritical isn't the word, more like cognitive dissonance. Totally appreciate the thinly veiled insults, by the way (to hellroxya).
My friend's uncle had lung cancer and he smoked since he was a teenager. He got a new lung. After a few months, he promptly started smoking again. I do believe if people made a shitty decision like smoking their whole life and they get cancer, they can live without my lung. This kind of situation occurs more than I feel is acceptable.
My best friend is most likely going to die of cancer before we get out of college-- 3 years or so. We both want to be doctors. She is literally one of the kindest and most intelligent people I know. When I know that she's probably screwed while people who smoke and abuse their bodies could get a second chance... it just makes me mad and think about how unfair the world is.
Anyways, my position might change. We'll see.
While your uncle is an ass for starting smoking again I don't really think this is the norm. What of all the other cases where a patient doesn't start doing drugs/smoking/drinking/etc after the transplant and gave them a new shot at life? But then again, I believe young, otherwise health patients have priority over those patients.
Also, what does your friend have to do with the organ donation debate? (I wish her all the best in her recovery!)
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On March 26 2012 04:29 brokor wrote: i dont want a doctor not giving his 100% when/if i have an accident just because he knows by letting me die he can save 4 of his other patients.
I believe this is a faulty view of all health care personel. Do you have any idea of how much work there is in "stripping" a body of organs and then transporting them to needed patients and then implanting it?
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No proper doctor would let a 'viable' person die because they want the organs, seriously.
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