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Just wondering what our Korean friends think of their new President. Do younger people support her? Is there a generational split in voting like there is in America and to a lesser extent Europe?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/park-geun-hye-leads-in-south-koreas-presidential-election/2012/12/19/783398d4-49e6-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye
Edited to give more context. This is my summary taken from articles I've read and this thread, people are free to correct me and/or disagree:
South Korea today elected Park Geun-Hye as their next President in a closely contested election. The daughter of former Korean President and authoritarian dictator Park Chung-hee, who led Korea from 1963-1979, she is the current leader of the conservative Grand National Party and the first women elected to the Korean Presidency. She defeated Moon Jae-in, a human rights lawyer who leads the leftist Democratic Party, 51-48.
In Korea, "conservatives" tend to be more pro-capitalist, pro-Western, and support lowering taxes and regulations to promote economic growth. "Leftists" tend to support a stronger welfare state, stronger restrictions on conglomerates, and more cooperation with and aid to the North in the hopes of regime change and eventual reunification.
Key issues in the election included welfare reform, political corruption, lack of employment opportunities, and worsening tensions with the North.
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can't wait until korea gets its first black president
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I strongly support her and I am quite euphoric that she got elected because it was SUCH A CLOSE CALL! But anyways, it seems that younger people seems to support the other candidate a little more. As to a generational split, to some extent it definitely exists.
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Daughter of Park Chung-hee eh.
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There's a generational split due to the speed at which korea modernized as well as the left-leaning teacher's union in south korea that systematically made leftist ideology part of their curriculum in public schools after their organization was legalized by kim dae-jung (liberal president from early 2000s). The 2002 world cup in korea as well as the killing of the two korean school girls by american soldiers also made deep impressions among young people. These are some of the reasons why younger koreans are anti-american and anti-conservative, and for the more extreme elements, anti-capitalist.
Conservatives in korea don't have anything in particular to be proud of but anything is better than the left-wing in korea.
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History is slowly changing.
America get's it's first Black president and
S.Korea get it's first woman president.
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On December 20 2012 01:02 white_horse wrote: There's a generational split due to the speed at which korea modernized as well as the left-leaning teacher's union in south korea that systematically made leftist ideology part of their curriculum in public schools after their organization was legalized by kim dae-jung (liberal president from early 2000s).
Conservatives in korea don't have anything in particular to be proud of but anything is better than the left-wing in korea.
What do you mean by "left wing" and "conservative"? It varies so much in meaning.
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On December 20 2012 01:00 piplup wrote: can't wait until korea gets its first black president
hahahahaha.
My understanding is that this Park Geun-hye had quite a father.
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On December 20 2012 01:05 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:02 white_horse wrote: There's a generational split due to the speed at which korea modernized as well as the left-leaning teacher's union in south korea that systematically made leftist ideology part of their curriculum in public schools after their organization was legalized by kim dae-jung (liberal president from early 2000s).
Conservatives in korea don't have anything in particular to be proud of but anything is better than the left-wing in korea.
What do you mean by "left wing" and "conservative"? It varies so much in meaning.
Korean liberals are generally against the large korean conglomerates, anti-american, pro-north korea, and are for a larger welfare system. Conservatives are the opposite: support korean conglomerates, pro-american, hawkish against north korea, etc. There are other issues but those are some of the biggest differences.
But park kept talking about welfare reform during her campaign and shes a conservative so nobody really knows yet if she really will do anything about it or how she will improve it.
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Too bad since her whitewashing tendencies of her fathers human rights abuses are quite concerning.
Also I hope North Korea won't do anything crazy in order to put up a posture against her as Park Chung Hee's daughter.
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Ahhhh, not happy about this, most young people wanted Moon Jae-In to win as Park Geun-Hye is heavily conservative and largely supported by the major Korean conglomerates
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I've been discussing about this with my Korean friend a lot today. He also supported Park Geun-hye. Really interested to see what others think of her.
Congrats to her anyway.
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No MC!? Wtf is this shit, election rigging?
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On December 20 2012 01:10 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:05 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 20 2012 01:02 white_horse wrote: There's a generational split due to the speed at which korea modernized as well as the left-leaning teacher's union in south korea that systematically made leftist ideology part of their curriculum in public schools after their organization was legalized by kim dae-jung (liberal president from early 2000s).
Conservatives in korea don't have anything in particular to be proud of but anything is better than the left-wing in korea.
What do you mean by "left wing" and "conservative"? It varies so much in meaning. Korean liberals are generally against the large korean conglomerates, anti-american, pro-north korea, and are for a larger welfare system. Conservatives are the opposite: support korean conglomerates, pro-american, hawkish against north korea, etc. There are other issues but those are some of the biggest differences. But park kept talking about welfare reform during her campaign and shes a conservative so nobody really knows yet if she really will do anything about it or how she will improve it.
I don't know much about the S. Korean political situation but the "liberal teacher influence" is an argument I'm used to hearing on FOX news in the US. So instinctively I cringe when I hear that kind of argument, especially when you compare their left-wing party to the extreme case of North Korea. Of course I have no idea actually how extreme either party is, but your rhetoric sounds really similar to all the BS we've been hearing about Obama before the election from the likes of Sean Hannity and Papa Bear O'Reilly.
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On December 20 2012 01:15 Erik.TheRed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:10 white_horse wrote:On December 20 2012 01:05 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 20 2012 01:02 white_horse wrote: There's a generational split due to the speed at which korea modernized as well as the left-leaning teacher's union in south korea that systematically made leftist ideology part of their curriculum in public schools after their organization was legalized by kim dae-jung (liberal president from early 2000s).
Conservatives in korea don't have anything in particular to be proud of but anything is better than the left-wing in korea.
What do you mean by "left wing" and "conservative"? It varies so much in meaning. Korean liberals are generally against the large korean conglomerates, anti-american, pro-north korea, and are for a larger welfare system. Conservatives are the opposite: support korean conglomerates, pro-american, hawkish against north korea, etc. There are other issues but those are some of the biggest differences. But park kept talking about welfare reform during her campaign and shes a conservative so nobody really knows yet if she really will do anything about it or how she will improve it. I don't know much about the S. Korean political situation but the "liberal teacher influence" is an argument I'm used to hearing on FOX news in the US. So instinctively I cringe when I hear that kind of argument, especially when you compare their left-wing party to the extreme case of North Korea. Of course I have no idea actually how extreme either party is, but your rhetoric sounds really similar to all the BS we've been hearing about Obama before the election from the likes of Sean Hannity and Papa Bear O'Reilly.
I don't think it is fair to compare south korea to the US in terms of the "liberal teacher influence". The situation between korea and the US is totally different. Relationships with north korea and the US are heavy issues in korean politics and theres nothing really comparable like that in the US. The korean teachers union is a large, organized group that leans heavily left and have been continuously criticized for promoting anti-american agenda and pro-north korean ideology. There's nothing like that in the US. There's nothing wrong with the union having leftist views. There's something wrong with promoting your own agenda to students.
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North Korea is so fargone its hard to imagine people taking any kind of alliance with that country seriously.
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On December 20 2012 01:10 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 01:05 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 20 2012 01:02 white_horse wrote: There's a generational split due to the speed at which korea modernized as well as the left-leaning teacher's union in south korea that systematically made leftist ideology part of their curriculum in public schools after their organization was legalized by kim dae-jung (liberal president from early 2000s).
Conservatives in korea don't have anything in particular to be proud of but anything is better than the left-wing in korea.
What do you mean by "left wing" and "conservative"? It varies so much in meaning. Korean liberals are generally against the large korean conglomerates, anti-american, pro-north korea, and are for a larger welfare system. Conservatives are the opposite: support korean conglomerates, pro-american, hawkish against north korea, etc. There are other issues but those are some of the biggest differences. But park kept talking about welfare reform during her campaign and shes a conservative so nobody really knows yet if she really will do anything about it or how she will improve it. What do you mean by pro-north korea? I hope this means against a war on N.K. and positive to a reunification rather than actual support of N.K.
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I enjoy my motherland's infinite wisdom in placing a dictator's daughter on the presidency. Not like I had any hopes in S. Korean politics anyway, but this is just comical.
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It means that they are interested in giving unconditional aid (food, energy, etc) to north korea and reconciling with them through summits in order to promote change within the north korean government so that the two countries can eventually reunify.
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On December 20 2012 01:25 koreasilver wrote: I enjoy my motherland's infinite wisdom in placing a dictator's daughter on the presidency. Not like I had any hopes in S. Korean politics anyway, but this is just comical. He was an effective dictator though, no? Not that I'm saying what he did was right, but it did seem to have the desired economic effect, at the cost of other things. But there's always a tradeoff if you want to get something that quickly.
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