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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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farvacola
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ETisME
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These conceptual terminology will always result in different understanding of emotions. Same for how much is needed to make you feel "sad" about it. But it is however strange that you would find it hard to understand why some may be sad about this issue. Especially if your reasoning is just to say oh but there is so many deaths every day. Not all deaths has the same impact and especially not onto each individual because of individual differences and limited information for example. For example I felt truly sad about Leelah Alcorn because I knew of someone close experienced similar issue as well but luckily my society do not have faith healing | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 12 2015 23:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: People actually feel sad when they read these stories? I always thought they just say these things because they want to fulfil their urge to post something, or as a social response, a bit like taking about the weather, not becuase they actually feel sad about it. If you do feel sad about it, you must basically be in a sad state of mind constantly if you read the newspapers or read the news. Or is it a case of ignorance is bliss? That was my take at understanding human nature as well, but apparently I'm completely off the mark. I didn't exclude right away the fact that a small fraction of people may really feel sad when reading this kind of news, hence my initial question. | ||
ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 12 2015 23:50 ZenithM wrote: That was my take at understanding human nature as well, but apparently I'm completely off the mark. I didn't exclude right away the fact that a small fraction of people may really feel sad when reading this kind of news, hence my initial question. Edit: Also, I'll just say again that all I did was asking if that sadness covermunch was talking about was genuine. I wasn't making fun of him or anything. If you saw any malicious intent in my post then that's on you. Edit2: Shit, sorry for the double post, meant to edit Well I think I'll stop there then. Obviously not a happy incident in any case. | ||
ETisME
12083 Posts
I didn't like the fact that you dismiss the three victim as 3 random people. And as an econmetric graduates, my first lesson was about: one must always remember that every data you obtained correctly are important and you should not dismiss them just because there are many like it, every data carries a meaning of its own and sometimes needs to remember it is more than just a figure. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
If every murder in the US was reported in international media, we would get spammed more than once per hour. Before I get banned, according to wikipedia, there have been 14,827 murders in the USA in 2012. That's like 40 a day. Slightly less than in North Korea, like 10% less, twice as many murders per capita than Syria. Almost five times as many Czech Republic. So just cool it with the conspiracy theories. This wasn't 'covered up' because of the Muslim targets, it's just too common an occurance to report it. €: WTF happens in D. C.? From 2001-2005 it had like ten times the national average homicide rate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Are executions ... executed in the capitol? Or how else can you explain that? | ||
DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
I find it shocking that there is such a double standard with how Muslims are treated in the media. I know there is incomplete evidence and the motives are not 100% clear yet, but it would be naive to state with confidence that bigotry was not a factor here. If three Jews had been killed do you think anyone would have hesitated to call it a hate crime? At least until more evidence was released? | ||
DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:11 SixStrings wrote: Why would this even make (inter) national news? If every murder in the US was reported in international media, we would get spammed more than once per hour. Before I get banned, according to wikipedia, there have been 14,827 murders in the USA in 2012. That's like 40 a day. Slightly less than in North Korea, like 10% less, twice as many murders per capita than Syria. Almost five times as many Czech Republic. So just cool it with the conspiracy theories. This wasn't 'covered up' because of the Muslim targets, it's just too common an occurance to report it. I think that way of approaching what qualifies as news and doesn't is inherently flawed. Murders happen all the time, granted. But murders of 3 Muslims (all shot in the head, which indicates that this wasn't just a random occurance on the street... this was planned) at a time and in a place where there is growing resentment of Muslims. Duke University recently proposed to have a call to Muslim prayer on Friday for 3 minutes (the same way that Church bells go off etc.) to cater to its students and the whole state of North Carolina nearly showed up with pitchforks. Needless to say the idea was scrapped overnight. Just a reminder of why this issue is sensitive and news worthy. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:16 DinoMight wrote: This story is already completely gone off CNN.com. It's nowhere to be found on their page. I find it shocking that there is such a double standard with how Muslims are treated in the media. I know there is incomplete evidence and the motives are not 100% clear yet, but it would be naive to state with confidence that bigotry was not a factor here. If three Jews had been killed do you think anyone would have hesitated to call it a hate crime? At least until more evidence was released? What are you talking about? Double standards? Do you even know how many kafirs are killed by Muslims every day? Especially Jews and Christians. Atheists would be just as big a target but for the fact that they don't have a convenient mass-assembly spot. It's just a matter of saturation, not bias. | ||
DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:23 SixStrings wrote: What are you talking about? Double standards? Do you even know how many kafirs are killed by Muslims every day? Especially Jews and Christians. Atheists would be just as big a target but for the fact that they don't have a convenient mass-assembly spot. It's just a matter of saturation, not bias. The double standards of media reporting. When Muslims kill people from other religions, it's everywhere in the media. It's labeled a Jihad or a hate crime or whatever you want to call it. When other religions kill Muslims, it's played down or not even covered. Do you really expect me to believe that this guy killed 3 Muslims by shooting them in the head over parking? In North Carolina? In 2015 when anti-Muslim sentiment is the strongest it's ever been? This is not an excuse for anyone to kill anyone. No one should kill, period. But here we have 3 students in their early twenties / late teens killed, probably because the killer is a huge bigot, and it gets basically no media coverage. Or when not too long ago a Somali man was targeted and run over by a car in Georgia (intentionally) because of his faith. Or all the attacks on mosques across the southern states that never get reported. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:26 DinoMight wrote: The double standards of media reporting. When Muslims kill people from other religions, it's everywhere in the media. It's labeled a Jihad or a hate crime or whatever you want to call it. When other religions kill Muslims, it's played down or not even covered. Do you really expect me to believe that this guy killed 3 Muslims by shooting them in the head over parking? In North Carolina? In 2015 when anti-Muslim sentiment is the strongest it's ever been? Sorry, I should probably not post in these threads, I just don't know enough about the situation in the US. I just assumed the Muslim mollycoddling that happens all over the shop in Europe would happen in the US as well. Christians and atheists who commit violent crimes against Muslims are obviously no better than the ideology they try to fight. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:31 SixStrings wrote: Sorry, I should probably not post in these threads, I just don't know enough about the situation in the US. I just assumed the Muslim mollycoddling that happens all over the shop in Europe would happen in the US as well. Christians and atheists who commit violent crimes against Muslims are obviously no better than the ideology they try to fight. You are correct, in the US there is a lot of it. | ||
DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:37 blade55555 wrote: You are correct, in the US there is a lot of it. In the US there is a lot of Muslim mollycoddling?? I hope this is a misunderstanding. Where in the US do you live exactly. I have Muslim relatives who live in South Carolina and I can tell you no one is "protective" of them... | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41100 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On February 13 2015 02:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Partly because there is really isn't a decisive clash of cultures like in Europe etc. Americanization tends to happen rather fast and by the time a second generation of family, or even parts of the first generation of an immigrant family grows up, they see themselves and are seen as Americans and though they might tend to speak the language of their parents, and follow customs they don't tend to show it outside in public and maybe even in private either. This is very true. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On February 13 2015 02:00 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Kind of ironic considering that Muslims in USA tend to be well off, middle class, well integrated, moderate people, whilst the ones in Europe tend to be poor, insular and extreme. That's not always the case. In Germany, a lot of the Turks are rather well off and well integrated. It's the real Muslims, i. e. those who refuse to integrate with kafirs and insist on Sharia law, who are having trouble. | ||
zeo
Serbia6175 Posts
Any day now. edit: Oh, just read that he was an atheist, well... | ||
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