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On February 23 2017 23:29 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 22:51 Cascade wrote: I grew up in Sweden, close to Malmo, but moved out like 4 years ago, so before the recent big wave of refugees. I have never heard of anything like a no-go zone. Yeah, there are more immigrants in rosengard, but they are mostly nice people, as are the Swedes. But rosengard gave us Zlatan! :D I thought it was the other way round: Zlatan gave himself to Sweden. Not sure what you mean. He was born and raised in Rosengard, so he was a Swede from the start.
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On February 23 2017 23:34 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 23:29 maybenexttime wrote:On February 23 2017 22:51 Cascade wrote: I grew up in Sweden, close to Malmo, but moved out like 4 years ago, so before the recent big wave of refugees. I have never heard of anything like a no-go zone. Yeah, there are more immigrants in rosengard, but they are mostly nice people, as are the Swedes. But rosengard gave us Zlatan! :D I thought it was the other way round: Zlatan gave himself to Sweden. Not sure what you mean. He was born and raised in Rosengard, so he was a Swede from the start.
Gave himself to Sweden, the national team, as a form of self-sacrifice.
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On February 23 2017 23:36 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 23:34 Cascade wrote:On February 23 2017 23:29 maybenexttime wrote:On February 23 2017 22:51 Cascade wrote: I grew up in Sweden, close to Malmo, but moved out like 4 years ago, so before the recent big wave of refugees. I have never heard of anything like a no-go zone. Yeah, there are more immigrants in rosengard, but they are mostly nice people, as are the Swedes. But rosengard gave us Zlatan! :D I thought it was the other way round: Zlatan gave himself to Sweden. Not sure what you mean. He was born and raised in Rosengard, so he was a Swede from the start. Gave himself to Sweden, the national team, as a form of self-sacrifice. + Show Spoiler + Haha yes he's got a bit more personality than the rest of the boring Swedish players.
It's a pity we don't have a good team to back him up. He's a bit going to waste in the Swedish national team. :/
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On February 23 2017 23:00 MyTHicaL wrote: As for the whole italy reference. One of my best friends is from Naples.. He has shown me pictures of what happens there; the garbage wars, etc. Maybe you are from Milan or somewhere else in the North? Even he, who is politically indifferent, has said shit is hitting the fan there..
Of course. Let me try to put this point by point:
1) A 100% crime free society does not exist 2) Therefore, in every society there will be individual committing crimes 3) (One of) The duty of the State is to provide safety for its citizens. 4) Bringing in unconsiderate amount of people who share stone age beliefs will create unsafe situations with the indigenous society. 5) 4) contradicts 3) and therefore is unacceptable
Italy already has thugs. Do you think the situation will improve if we also import foreign thugs?
That is precisely the point. I am not arguing crimes do not exist if we block immigration - I am arguing we already have enough of our own and that is why we should control it heavily to ensure shitty people do not enter (and meanwhile try to fix the problems with our 'own' shitty people)
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On February 23 2017 23:30 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 23:19 Arevall wrote:On February 23 2017 22:57 LightSpectra wrote: Atheists can be just as violent and oppressive as any religious person is, stop finding a scapegoat and look at the real problems.
Yup. They usually don't come equipped with a holy scripture to vindicate themselves with though. Religion is a great way of cementing bad morals and the lazy way of trying to cement good morals. And you think atheists are wanting of excuses to do evil things? Call it a "lazy way" if you want, when I was an atheist in my teen years I had zero concerns for poor people whatsoever, and now that I am a Christian, I do almost everything I can to help those in need. I am a living example of somebody whom "religion" (don't particularly think it's a useful term but whatever) has morally improved. From my atheist perspective it sounds a lot like you have chosen to improve yourself. You didn't sign a bargain with Jesus to help people in need for a ticket to heaven, your moral code changed and you changed your actions to match it.
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On February 24 2017 00:30 SoSexy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2017 23:00 MyTHicaL wrote: As for the whole italy reference. One of my best friends is from Naples.. He has shown me pictures of what happens there; the garbage wars, etc. Maybe you are from Milan or somewhere else in the North? Even he, who is politically indifferent, has said shit is hitting the fan there.. Of course. Let me try to put this point by point: 1) A 100% crime free society does not exist 2) Therefore, in every society there will be individual committing crimes 3) (One of) The duty of the State is to provide safety for its citizens. 4) Bringing in unconsiderate amount of people who share stone age beliefs will create unsafe situations with the indigenous society. 5) 4) contradicts 3) and therefore is unacceptable Italy already has thugs. Do you think the situation will improve if we also import foreign thugs? That is precisely the point. I am not arguing crimes do not exist if we block immigration - I am arguing we already have enough of our own and that is why we should control it heavily to ensure shitty people do not enter (and meanwhile try to fix the problems with our 'own' shitty people) Another duty of the state is to carry out of the will of the people, not to overrule them in the name of their own safety.
If the Swedish people see 999 good people who are in need of sanctuary to escape war and 1 rapist and they're not sure who in the 1000 is a rapist they are entitled to decide whether to accept the risk. And they have decided. They apparently believe that fulfilling their moral duty towards their fellow human beings comes at an acceptable price and the state has no authority to overrule them on this, no more than it does to ban cigarettes, alcohol or cars, all of which contradict 3.
You can't just make an argument that "X is potentially unsafe therefore the state should never allow X". Or if you insist on making that argument then at least put driving at the top of the list.
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TLADT24917 Posts
This thread had run its course, locking it. OP, there were a lot of posts that touched on your main questions so you should've gotten your answer.
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