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On November 29 2011 13:10 Lancer723 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 13:03 tobi9999 wrote:On November 29 2011 12:34 Alzadar wrote:Carry over response: On November 29 2011 12:04 tobi9999 wrote:On November 29 2011 12:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Too bad Morgana hard counters Kassadin ^_^ morgana doesn't counter kassadin at all. if kassadin can last hit well at tower at least What can a Kassadin do against a Morgana with quick reaction time? Null Sphere is slow enough to shield it in the air, unless it's point blank range in which case you shield as soon as he jumps. Without the silence I don't see how he's any match for Morgana. ? if you use black shield against kassadin Q's as morgana you lose lane, not only is it a waste of mana as w will help you more with your hp by spellvamping, but also jungle is 100% going to gank you because you will be pushing right onto his tower as kassadin couldn't push his lane if he tried. the only thing that you can do is honestly keep pushing his wave to tower and outfarm him, but only if he's bad at last hitting at tower, and the only way to win is to ward both sides and try and kill his tower. I don't know about using black shield on kass Q, but morgana should never die in that lane pre 6 to jungle ganks, and should rarely die after that. Pre-6 you push the lane into he tower and force him to lose farm. If jungle shows up you black shield and walk back to your tower. Post 6 you pretty much have to black shield if Kass rifts on you or else you eat his entire burst. By that time you should have catalyst and mana should not be that much of an issue. If you don't black shield his burst, you risk being silenced/slowed and having the jungler appear, besides the fact that you can't keep spellvamping Kassadin's full combo back.
i meant if you use black shield on kass q, then jungle ganks that come after (which they will) will kill you lol.
and I agree with your other points, I was just arguing that, Kassadin does not get "Hard countered" by morgana, if he's good at CSing at tower then it's even, and if he's not it's a soft counter at best.
if you want to hard counter kassadin, pick pantheon, completely destroys him in lane and then can follow him anywhere he ganks with his ult.
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So it says experience is only given to the killer of the creep meaning that you cant leech jungle experience anymore right?
Or do i not understand that correctly
also jungle change doesnt look that big, besides the health sigil thing
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Yup, someone made a great post about it a while ago but can't find it. >_< @IEM EU.
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+SK? It should be four teams. Hard to make a bracket with odd number of teams. Plus wasn't there two Euro qualifiers as well?
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On November 29 2011 13:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: +SK? It should be four teams. Hard to make a bracket with odd number of teams. Plus wasn't there two Euro qualifiers as well? Its 3. And that was the third and final qualifier I believe. Same format as US I assume.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 29 2011 13:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: +SK? It should be four teams. Hard to make a bracket with odd number of teams. Plus wasn't there two Euro qualifiers as well? there were two qualifiers to determine who would play in the final bracket, and Fnatic failed to make it to the final bracket and then SK failed in the final bracket against Empire lolol
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So the US bracket is just the final qualifier bracket. I thought it was the Kiev bracket ^_^
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Why the fuck they switched kat's shunpo again?
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The Kassadin "bug" used to happen to me all the time...
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Uh where does it say the jungler doesn't get experience if they are next to blue? I see it as if the jungler is next to blue but your team kills it from outside the 400 exp range then both the jungler and the killer get experience. If you're like solomid and you stand 500 range from wraiths however and the jungler kills them then you don't get experience.
New richochet is worse than old...they had to make sivirs skills worse with the range buff.
Strong laners just got stronger, weak laners weaker both due to the pot nerf, creep damage reduction, and because it looks like it's harder for the jungler to babysit lanes.
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On November 29 2011 13:33 rob.au wrote: Uh where does it say the jungler doesn't get experience if they are next to blue? I see it as if the jungler is next to blue but your team kills it from outside the 400 exp range then both the jungler and the killer get experience. If you're like solomid and you stand 500 range from wraiths however and the jungler kills them then you don't get experience.
yes, this is what it says exactly. if u are auto hitting from max range you wont leech any xp but if you take the killing blow you will be considered in range
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I think what it's supposed to read is that the exp range is cut in half, but regardless of range the killer will get exp.
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On November 29 2011 12:10 Bladeorade wrote:Aww theres no Wukong Thread I don't think I am good enough to be giving advice to others but I wanted to comment. I have been playing him a lot recently (past couple of days) I bought him when he first came out, and he is REALLY strong. I run tele/exhaust with ARP reds and quints, scaling mresist blues and armor yellows. I spec 21-9-0, all the relevant damage masteries and 3 armor, 1 mresist and the health masteries. So far my only "tough lane" has been Nasus (running him exclusively solo top) I felt my damage wasn't enough to force him from lane. Every other common top lane I have been able to destroy. Literally. I open cloth+5 since he has no sustain, go ninja tabi into brutalizer and then sheen-phage-triforce. And since I run tele I have had some intelligent teammates drop wards in bush on bottom so I go double gank with ultimate etc. He is really good in team fight, I get my clone exhausted a lot and his Ult is crazy good. He is naturally tanky (free 40 mr and armor in team fights) and I plan on building Warmogs/Atmas but games always end before hand. Anyway was looking for comments or advice from any other Wukong players on builds or laning vs Nasus. Or just any discussion really. If someone better wants to open a thread that would be nice Copy paste
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On November 29 2011 13:17 arb wrote: So it says experience is only given to the killer of the creep meaning that you cant leech jungle experience anymore right?
Or do i not understand that correctly
The creep killer always gets the XP. The important change is that someone assisting a jungler with a creep will only receive XP if within 400 range of the creep.
On November 29 2011 13:29 wei2coolman wrote: Why the fuck they switched kat's shunpo again?
Because 99% of the time you want to appear behind your target and tying that positioning "choice" to a 20 second CD was retarded. It basically meant you had to have KI up in order to ult but it also nerfed your ability to hop onto ally creeps/champs/wards. Not to mention it did not actually help you harass with shunpo as Riot said it was supposed to.
I was confused too until some TL Kat players explained it and I tried her out.
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On November 29 2011 13:43 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 12:10 Bladeorade wrote:Aww theres no Wukong Thread I don't I am good enough to be giving advice to others but I wanted to comment. I have been playing him a lot recently (past couple of days) I bought him when he first came out, and he is REALLY strong. I run tele/exhaust with ARP reds and quints, scaling mresist blues and armor yellows. I spec 21-9-0, all the relevant damage masteries and 3 armor, 1 mresist and the health masteries. So far my only "tough lane" has been Nasus (running him exclusively solo top) I felt my damage was enough to force him from lane. Every other common top lane I have been able to destroy. Literally. I open cloth+5 since he has no sustain, go ninja tabi into brutalizer and then sheen-phage-triforce. And since I run tele I have had some intelligent teammates drop wards in bush on bottom so I go double gank with ultimate etc. He is really good in team fight, I get my clone exhausted a lot and his Ult is crazy good. He is naturally tanky (free 40 mr and armor in team fights) and I plan on building Warmogs/Atmas but games always end before hand. Anyway was looking for comments or advice from any other Wukong players on builds or laning vs Nasus. Or just any discussion really. If someone better wants to open a thread that would be nice Copy paste
saint vicious raging that wukong is op :D 40 mr + armor in team fights. he says jungle wukong op :D the passive is worth 1600 gold of items
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So basically your ad carry and support (as long as ranged) can kill wolves and golem now? If all three of you are smacking it I'm sure you can kill it before losing a minion at bottom ^_^ Boots the obvious opening for all junglers now unless they need something else.
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On November 29 2011 13:46 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 13:43 Bladeorade wrote:On November 29 2011 12:10 Bladeorade wrote:Aww theres no Wukong Thread I don't I am good enough to be giving advice to others but I wanted to comment. I have been playing him a lot recently (past couple of days) I bought him when he first came out, and he is REALLY strong. I run tele/exhaust with ARP reds and quints, scaling mresist blues and armor yellows. I spec 21-9-0, all the relevant damage masteries and 3 armor, 1 mresist and the health masteries. So far my only "tough lane" has been Nasus (running him exclusively solo top) I felt my damage was enough to force him from lane. Every other common top lane I have been able to destroy. Literally. I open cloth+5 since he has no sustain, go ninja tabi into brutalizer and then sheen-phage-triforce. And since I run tele I have had some intelligent teammates drop wards in bush on bottom so I go double gank with ultimate etc. He is really good in team fight, I get my clone exhausted a lot and his Ult is crazy good. He is naturally tanky (free 40 mr and armor in team fights) and I plan on building Warmogs/Atmas but games always end before hand. Anyway was looking for comments or advice from any other Wukong players on builds or laning vs Nasus. Or just any discussion really. If someone better wants to open a thread that would be nice Copy paste saint vicious raging that wukong is op :D 40 mr + armor in team fights. he says jungle wukong op :D the passive is worth 1600 gold of items Wukong is extremely OP. He is too tanky for free and his ult does too much damage.
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Things to test:
Zero Damage Lanemumu Clarity (again!) How many champions can't clear jungle in under 3:30
Also, have some Tebow:
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