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On May 07 2013 13:37 NeoIllusions wrote: But hoping that this kind of drastic change of landscape does occur in NA this weekend. >_> Is that a typo or do you really want CLG etc to be replaced by unknown teams?
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Typo. Meant "doesn't" there. T_T
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If a "drastic" change had to occur he'd sacrifice Dig on the altar of his fanboyism, I'm sure. >_>
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On May 07 2013 20:50 NeoIllusions wrote: Typo. Meant "doesn't" there. T_T Thought so. :D
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Anyone else feel like the NA 'amateur' teams already seem alot weaker than the EU teams? I see myself as someone who is pretty up-to-date , but I recognise almost noone from the lesser known teams, where the EU players I've all heared about at some point...
apart from zorozero, whered he come from
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God Damn liquipedia... went there to find the vods of day 3 only to find that they tried (and failed) to link them per game played so now im totaly spoiled about how many games each series has... You would think they would be more carefull then that considering that they hide all other spoilers.....
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On May 07 2013 20:44 NeoIllusions wrote: MYM biggest problem is consistency. They shouldn't have nerve issues at this point. They're actually one of the oldest EU teams on the scene (and I do mean team, not orga).
They show flashes of brilliance but it's a problem that they can't perform at the same level, match after match. It shouldn't be nerves, but they always seem to do way worse at offline events compared to online events. So maybe jitters? Online they are quite consistent I think, maybe I'm wrong and that issue is also present there. But if they play at their high level I'm quite sure they can take out SK/EG. No idea though how they will fair against Fnatic/Gambit.
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On May 07 2013 20:55 Alaric wrote: If a "drastic" change had to occur he'd sacrifice Dig on the altar of his fanboyism, I'm sure. >_> Sounds accurate. Sorry scarra...
On May 07 2013 21:04 ihasaKAROT wrote:Anyone else feel like the NA 'amateur' teams already seem alot weaker than the EU teams? I see myself as someone who is pretty up-to-date , but I recognise almost noone from the lesser known teams, where the EU players I've all heared about at some point... apart from zorozero, whered he come from
I recognize a lot/all the amateur NA teams either by playing with them or seeing them from solo queue/streams. None of the NA teams in promo are really "new", so it just comes down to playing on that region and knowing the players. If I had to name a player I'm least familiar with, it'd probably be Niko44 on Fidelis.
Zorozero impressed the hell out of me this weekend.
On May 07 2013 21:14 Gorsameth wrote: God Damn liquipedia... went there to find the vods of day 3 only to find that they tried (and failed) to link them per game played so now im totaly spoiled about how many games each series has... You would think they would be more carefull then that considering that they hide all other spoilers.....
Learn from your mistakes. :< http://www.reddit.com/r/LoLeventVoDs is an amazing subreddit.
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On May 07 2013 21:28 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 20:44 NeoIllusions wrote: MYM biggest problem is consistency. They shouldn't have nerve issues at this point. They're actually one of the oldest EU teams on the scene (and I do mean team, not orga).
They show flashes of brilliance but it's a problem that they can't perform at the same level, match after match. It shouldn't be nerves, but they always seem to do way worse at offline events compared to online events. So maybe jitters? Online they are quite consistent I think, maybe I'm wrong and that issue is also present there. But if they play at their high level I'm quite sure they can take out SK/EG. No idea though how they will fair against Fnatic/Gambit.
Not to single you out but I seriously wonder how many fans this split will continue to "underhype" (l0l, not even a word) SK. They did better than most people expected frankly because they're moderately low on the popularity scale.
EG obviously under-performed in Spring.
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On May 07 2013 20:44 NeoIllusions wrote: MYM biggest problem is consistency. They shouldn't have nerve issues at this point. They're actually one of the oldest EU teams on the scene (and I do mean team, not orga).
They show flashes of brilliance but it's a problem that they can't perform at the same level, match after match. Also the MYM orga is not the same as the big W3 time. They went bankrupt and some1 bought the name.
On May 07 2013 19:21 DragoonTT wrote: I'm impressed how many bandwagoners SiJ attracted over the weekend, considering Kottenx and YoungBuck are among the most ridiculed EU players on this forum. I don't think they're much better than aTn or MYM at all, and Kottenx/YoungBuck are known to perform inconsistently. Just because they gave the all-beloved Wolves a decent fight, they're suddenly the best amateur team EU. Oh well, GIANTS was just as hyped after Spring Qualifiers, and look where they ended up...
qft
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So are the vods of the 3 promotion days going to be going up on youtube any time soon?
I'd gotten myself into a nice rhythm of DLing the LCS matches on my phone. Don't let me down Riot!
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On May 07 2013 22:07 Amarok wrote: So are the vods of the 3 promotion days going to be going up on youtube any time soon?
I'd gotten myself into a nice rhythm of DLing the LCS matches on my phone. Don't let me down Riot! Seems there only on twitch sofar.
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On May 07 2013 12:27 caelym wrote: I just thought about how it would feel if 3 of Dig, CLG, MRN, coL were to be relegated this weekend. It would be heartbreaking...
The only one I think that's in serious danger of being relegated is coL. MRN maybe, but both Dig and CLG are gonna get their shit together when their careers are on the line.
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On May 07 2013 19:41 DragoonTT wrote: I'm not happy SiJ are out, they're on the same level as the other qualificants. I just don't understand everyone going "Ooooooooooooooh, so unfair, they're soooooooooooo much better than aTn/MYM, they deseeeeeeeeerve to be in the LCS".
SNS deserve their spot from their performance, true. I'm just not happy they're in - I'd rather have seen tabzz on, say, SiJ instead, and nukeduck/Failer never make it to this point. However good they are, they should probably have been permabanned at this point. Yeah, your first point is pretty much sums up how i feel, it's a shame but not worth the uproar it caused. Can't speak to SNS's player attitude, but I like Tabzz and was impressed with their play. I'm trying to think of NA equivalents of player that would annoye me if they qualified, but none really come to mind. On the bright side now they will have to improve their in game behavior, one permaban and they are out the LCS for a year.
Edit: Although I resent your sarcastic statement of "all-beloved Wolves" in your previous post :p I wonder how big their fanbase is compared to say EG. I know they are well-liked on this forum, but don't know their popularity outside of that. I know people like Bjergsen though so they probably root for Wolves.
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On May 07 2013 21:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 21:28 BlueSpace wrote:On May 07 2013 20:44 NeoIllusions wrote: MYM biggest problem is consistency. They shouldn't have nerve issues at this point. They're actually one of the oldest EU teams on the scene (and I do mean team, not orga).
They show flashes of brilliance but it's a problem that they can't perform at the same level, match after match. It shouldn't be nerves, but they always seem to do way worse at offline events compared to online events. So maybe jitters? Online they are quite consistent I think, maybe I'm wrong and that issue is also present there. But if they play at their high level I'm quite sure they can take out SK/EG. No idea though how they will fair against Fnatic/Gambit. Not to single you out but I seriously wonder how many fans this split will continue to "underhype" (l0l, not even a word) SK. They did better than most people expected frankly because they're moderately low on the popularity scale. EG obviously under-performed in Spring. I put SK/EG in the same pot, that's a bad thing now O.o
SK can be brilliant and despite many people thinking Oce is a doucheback, I actually like the guy, because he is really passionate about what he does and he's not afraid to show it. So not sure where you got the idea that I undervalue SK. But if you're blaming MYM for consistency, than how can you bring up SK in the same conversation and blame people for "underhyping" them? SK for me is one of the teams with the largest consistency issues. They are hyper aggressive and they either draw blood and go into frenzy mode or they get beaten, lose confidence and look very silly.
EG underperformed, but if you look into the statistics, than they tell an interesting story. They shouldn't have lost to the four bottom teams in the way they did. They have the same win ratio (50%) against Gambit as they have against Giants. That makes no sense when you think about it.
Despite that during tournaments prior to LCS, EG (CLG.eu) struggled against the other three top four LCS teams. Fnatic for example beat them at the Dreamhack winter 2012 finals prior to the LCS when they were at their peak. So yes EG should have a better win ratio but overall they could have as well placed they way they did in the playoffs if they had performed like they did prior to season 3.
So while I overall think they are both strong teams, I don't think they are at the same level as Gambit/Fnatic at the moment. Both of them can get there I think, but they will have first to fight off the wolves and the new contenders from the summer promotion.
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On May 08 2013 02:28 onlywonderboy wrote: Edit: Although I resent your sarcastic statement of "all-beloved Wolves" in your previous post :p I wonder how big their fanbase is compared to say EG. I know they are well-liked on this forum, but don't know their popularity outside of that. I know people like Bjergsen though so they probably root for Wolves.
I'd guess EG vastly overpowers Wolves in the number of fans they have. EG has history (team, lineup and individual players), success, good community relations and also appeals to fans coming from other games with famous EG squads. All of their players are highly marketable and have successful streams and a big individual fanbase. (GG is probably in the same boat, witnessed by the huge amount of EU MVP votes they got. Think about it, it took sOAZ winning a 1v1 vs Wickd to secure an all-star spot for the winner of the EU Spring Split - Allstar could have been a pure GG team without the three-people-per-team rule, or EG/GG mix otherwise)
Wolves have only been in the spotlight since Dreamhack Winter 2012 and since have enjoyed their role as the eternal dark horse. There aren't many memorable moments in their history, only Bjergsen has a fairly successful stream, community interaction is limited. Bjergsen is probably the only player that is known to a wider audience - and to many, he's just another world-class EU mid-lane player, which we seem to breed.
(Warning: following content is opinionated and may be offensive to the reader) I think it's fairly natural for TL.net members to gravitate towards Wolves. We've groomed a mindset of being the elite, the avant-garde of League followers and analysts. Hence, supporting the high-potential dark horse team over the "establishment" that is EG, GG and fnatic is the logical consequence. I don't think I've seen nearly as many Wolves supporters on any other site.
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On May 07 2013 22:07 Amarok wrote: So are the vods of the 3 promotion days going to be going up on youtube any time soon?
I'd gotten myself into a nice rhythm of DLing the LCS matches on my phone. Don't let me down Riot! YouTube takes forever to upload LCS games, always- and even then, they're often in one huge 8+ hour video which means you're gonna be stuck on 240 or 360p resolution for a few more days. Unless the games you want to see are 2+ weeks old, you should always check out Twitch first, the games are up immediately and in a watchable quality.
On May 08 2013 02:28 onlywonderboy wrote: Edit: Although I resent your sarcastic statement of "all-beloved Wolves" in your previous post :p I wonder how big their fanbase is compared to say EG. I know they are well-liked on this forum, but don't know their popularity outside of that. I know people like Bjergsen though so they probably root for Wolves. I like Bjergsen, but I like Svenskeren a lot more, personally. Wolves are my favorite EU team.
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I can't find a start date for summer season on Leaguepedia.. Does anyone know when summer season starts?
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On May 08 2013 22:04 Zato-1 wrote:
I like Bjergsen, but I like Svenskeren a lot more, personally. Wolves are my favorite EU team.
Svenskeren was my inspiration to start maining jungle
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I think not having Bjergsen at the start of the season helped the Wolves a lot of popularity and hype too, somehow. As they themselves admitted, it wasn't "Bjergsen the saviour arrived and suddenly we turned the switch and became good", of course there was the synergy (as with WT's introduction to TSM's starting roster) but the whole of Wolves improved over the weeks and the practice regimen, and it showed (especially for Svenskeren, who was often pointed out, and TheTess, and now look at how much more assertive and threatening Svenskeren plays).
If Bjergsen had been there Week 1, they wouldn't have played as well as when he arrived (Week... I don't remember. 4 ? Something like that?), they'd have struggled, and people would have felt let down by the hype. However, their lack of early success was attributed to Bjergsen's absence, and they improved over the weeks so that when finally he arrived and people were hyped as hell, it was a better Copenhagen Wolves team than during the live qualifiers, that was closer to the other teams' level and stood its ground, so the effect was even bigger.
TL;DR: I believe not having Bjergsen initially present made the Wolves appear as an always strong team rather than a team with potential that matured through the LCS environment (like most of the NA "bottom 4" did).
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