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On June 16 2012 10:31 NrGmonk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 09:03 JJH777 wrote:On June 16 2012 08:36 Birdfood wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. LOL MKP won 2 mlg's in a row, and has been dominating everyone. He was almost the consensus #1 player in the world until the zerg buff happened... Winning a GSL is more impressive than winning 10 MLGs. If this were true, then Jjakji is considered a better player than MKP?
not " better " because " better " is not defined by achievements but by gameplay, he is more accomplished though.
then again you can make an argument for 3 gsl silvers and 2 mlgs > one gsl win, which I would probably agree with.
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MKP should never have been considered the best player in the world. I said it then and I'll say it now. MLG is a great tournament, but it does not feature anywhere near the depth of competition that GSL does. The fact that players cannot be near their peak condition at an MLG isn't my primary issue, but it does compound the its issues.
MKP was never the best player in the world, due to his consistant failure to make a deep run in the most important tournament during the time period at hand. I would say that right now, no player has the results to be considered #1.
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Creator vs Byul was the worst game of the series, never have I been so frustrated with a game before. Byul had a mega lead and then showed he was nothing but an SC2 newbie, not having a transition/plan from the Semi bling all-inn.
There where better games; Moon vs MKP comes to mind. Long time since I've seen MKP had that mutch trouble with TvZ, Moon going old school using Muta and burrowed banes to great effect.
:EDIT: DRG vs MKP in MLG don't count, as it was a much closer fight, here he got rolled.
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On June 16 2012 10:46 TheQuixotic wrote: MKP should never have been considered the best player in the world. I said it then and I'll say it now. MLG is a great tournament, but it does not feature anywhere near the depth of competition that GSL does. The fact that players cannot be near their peak condition at an MLG isn't my primary issue, but it does compound the its issues.
MKP was never the best player in the world, due to his consistant failure to make a deep run in the most important tournament during the time period at hand. I would say that right now, no player has the results to be considered #1.
Wouldn't it be tied DRG/MVP for best player if you include GSL performances this year as the only measurement?
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On June 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:31 NrGmonk wrote:On June 16 2012 09:03 JJH777 wrote:On June 16 2012 08:36 Birdfood wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. LOL MKP won 2 mlg's in a row, and has been dominating everyone. He was almost the consensus #1 player in the world until the zerg buff happened... Winning a GSL is more impressive than winning 10 MLGs. If this were true, then Jjakji is considered a better player than MKP? not " better " because " better " is not defined by achievements but by gameplay, he is more accomplished though. then again you can make an argument for 3 gsl silvers and 2 mlgs > one gsl win, which I would probably agree with. I think more important than any titles is taking into account consistent quality of play and success vs top level opponents over a period of time, which MarineKing has shown more than anyone as of late IMO. Sure Jjakji did great, and yes Mvp's GSLs are obviously a massive achievement, but I think MKP seems like the scarier player right now. Of course this is subjective, but I don't think you can look at it as simply as comparing medals.
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On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year.
Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here)
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edit: my apologies got posted twice somehow.
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[QUOTE]On June 16 2012 10:51 TommyP wrote: [QUOTE]On June 16 2012 10:49 Dodgin wrote: [QUOTE]On June 16 2012 10:46 TheQuixotic wrote: MKP should never have been considered the best player in the world. I said it then and I'll say it now. MLG is a great tournament, but it does not feature anywhere near the depth of competition that GSL does. The fact that players cannot be near their peak condition at an MLG isn't my primary issue, but it does compound the its issues.
MKP was never the best player in the world, due to his consistant failure to make a deep run in the most important tournament during the time period at hand. I would say that right now, no player has the results to be considered #1.[/QUOTE]
Youre right MLG isnt near the GSL depth of competition. MLG blows GSL out of the water. You basically play a Code S in a weekend and dont have the luxury of preparing for an opponent. Its all the Code S players plus Code A and foreigners. [/QUOTE]
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On June 16 2012 10:49 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:31 NrGmonk wrote:On June 16 2012 09:03 JJH777 wrote:On June 16 2012 08:36 Birdfood wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. LOL MKP won 2 mlg's in a row, and has been dominating everyone. He was almost the consensus #1 player in the world until the zerg buff happened... Winning a GSL is more impressive than winning 10 MLGs. If this were true, then Jjakji is considered a better player than MKP? not " better " because " better " is not defined by achievements but by gameplay, he is more accomplished though. then again you can make an argument for 3 gsl silvers and 2 mlgs > one gsl win, which I would probably agree with. I think more important than any titles is taking into account consistent quality of play and success vs top level opponents over a period of time, which MarineKing has shown more than anyone as of late IMO. Sure Jjakji did great, and yes Mvp's GSLs are obviously a massive achievement, but I think MKP seems like the scarier player right now. Of course this is subjective, but I don't think you can look at it as simply as comparing medals.
I agree you can't just look at medals when looking for " the best player " that's why It's so hard to really say who the best is, right now I think DRG is currently playing the best out of anyone but that can change very quickly if he for example fails to advance from his ro32 group. It's hard to please everyone with the criteria of what makes the best player.
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On June 16 2012 10:53 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:49 Pokebunny wrote:On June 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:31 NrGmonk wrote:On June 16 2012 09:03 JJH777 wrote:On June 16 2012 08:36 Birdfood wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. LOL MKP won 2 mlg's in a row, and has been dominating everyone. He was almost the consensus #1 player in the world until the zerg buff happened... Winning a GSL is more impressive than winning 10 MLGs. If this were true, then Jjakji is considered a better player than MKP? not " better " because " better " is not defined by achievements but by gameplay, he is more accomplished though. then again you can make an argument for 3 gsl silvers and 2 mlgs > one gsl win, which I would probably agree with. I think more important than any titles is taking into account consistent quality of play and success vs top level opponents over a period of time, which MarineKing has shown more than anyone as of late IMO. Sure Jjakji did great, and yes Mvp's GSLs are obviously a massive achievement, but I think MKP seems like the scarier player right now. Of course this is subjective, but I don't think you can look at it as simply as comparing medals. I agree you can't just look at medals when looking for " the best player " that's why It's so hard to really say who the best is, right now I think DRG is currently playing the best out of anyone but that can change very quickly if he for example fails to advance from his ro32 group. It's hard to please everyone with the criteria of what makes the best player.
Very true, but he has an incredibly hard group and in SC2 any Code S korean can beat any Code S Korean.
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On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here)
MLG is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend.
Keeping up your form for months and winning Code S is the single hardest thing to accomplish in sc2 by far. It's the best way to see who the real champions are.
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On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. I assume you mean MLG or something like it in you first sentence?
Glad Fnatic managed to upset Prime, and I hope NSH can pull out a win tonight. :D
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On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend.
True, but it shows who can be the best in the world without preparing for a single opponent and what i meant by "shit fest" was there is just too much talent and you never have an easy game, where as in MLG you can play a foreigner, but yes pretty much all tournaments are shit fests.
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On June 16 2012 10:57 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. I assume you mean MLG or something like it in you first sentence? Glad Fnatic managed to upset Prime, and I hope NSH can pull out a win tonight. :D
Yep typo, sorry.
On June 16 2012 10:57 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. True, but it shows who can be the best in the world without preparing for a single opponent and what i meant by "shit fest" was there is just too much talent and you never have an easy game, where as in MLG you can play a foreigner, but yes pretty much all tournaments are shit fests.
I can agree with that, I still think winning a GSL with the current length of the season is by far the most impressive thing any player can accomplish though. Last year's GSL seasons were a lot shorter but now it really takes a champion to play well enough to win a 2-3 month long tournament.
I'll give an example, Slayers_Alicia.
Alicia was playing amazing at MLG and came home with second, beating MKP.
But Alicia will never win GSL ( feel free to quote me months/years down the road and laugh if I'm wrong ) because he is not a true champion. Marineking is also, not yet, a true champion. When Marineking wins the GSL he will be. This of course has nothing to do with player skill and we're getting a bit off topic here but I want people to understand just how hard it is to win GSL compared to a weekend tournament. This is why It's the most prestigious tournament in the world and lots of people will agree 1 gsl > multiple MLG wins.
Alternatively, if Marineking the " best player/terran in the world " can win MLG's but has not passed the ro16 in GSL in a long time doesn't this prove how hard the tournament is to win?
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On June 16 2012 08:40 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 08:22 Chenz wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Yeah, that was weird. I'm pretty sure most agree with MVP being the world's best player, how could anyone else be the number one Terran if that's the case? Edit: Also, GSTL starts 05:10 GMT (+00:00) on Saturdays, not 09:10 GMT (+00:00). MVP is the best Terran at preparation/strategy MKP is the best at MLG/IPL kind of things relying on fundamentals/mechanics Arguably the top 2 of the Terrans though. This.
Also MKP 7(6?)-0 ST, crushing players like Parting and Squirtle.
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On June 16 2012 10:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:57 NuclearJudas wrote:On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. I assume you mean MLG or something like it in you first sentence? Glad Fnatic managed to upset Prime, and I hope NSH can pull out a win tonight. :D Yep typo, sorry. Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:57 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. True, but it shows who can be the best in the world without preparing for a single opponent and what i meant by "shit fest" was there is just too much talent and you never have an easy game, where as in MLG you can play a foreigner, but yes pretty much all tournaments are shit fests. I can agree with that, I still think winning a GSL with the current length of the season is by far the most impressive thing any player can accomplish though. Last year's GSL seasons were a lot shorter but now it really takes a champion to play well enough to win a 2-3 month long tournament. I'll give an example, Slayers_Alicia. Alicia was playing amazing at MLG and came home with second, beating MKP. But Alicia will never win GSL ( feel free to quote me months/years down the road and laugh if I'm wrong ) because he is not a true champion. Marineking is also, not yet, a true champion. When Marineking wins the GSL he will be. This of course has nothing to do with player skill and we're getting a bit off topic here but I want people to understand just how hard it is to win GSL compared to a weekend tournament. This is why It's the most prestigious tournament in the world and lots of people will agree 1 gsl > multiple MLG wins.
And lots of people will agree multiple MLG wins is more impressive than 1 GSL win.
I don't get why yall are even arguing. Some people like the planning, mindgame skills in GSL and some people like the game sense needed for MLGs. As for which one's better - they are both opinions, there is not right or wrong answer.
For now the only objective reason GSL is considered better is because of the high level competition, but MLG keeps getting better and better players coming so ...
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On June 16 2012 09:25 MasterKang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 09:20 CFCryptos wrote: Please shut up about whose the best terran none of you know what you are talking about. And when someone says arguably the #1 terran that doesnt mean hes #1 100%. thats just saying hes 1 of the best. Jeez people will argue about anything. "MarineKingPrime, the #1 Terran player in the world, was particularly disappointing". I don't see the word "arguably" in there do you? Who cares when it's the truth.
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On June 16 2012 09:03 JJH777 wrote:
Winning a GSL is more impressive than winning 10 MLGs.
Stupidest thing I've ever read. Jjakji, Fruitdealer > MKP then? LOL
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moon is delivering like a mad man. I called that when liquid and fnatic were announced and ppl laugh at me :D
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On June 16 2012 11:25 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 10:58 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:57 NuclearJudas wrote:On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. I assume you mean MLG or something like it in you first sentence? Glad Fnatic managed to upset Prime, and I hope NSH can pull out a win tonight. :D Yep typo, sorry. On June 16 2012 10:57 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 10:55 Dodgin wrote:On June 16 2012 10:49 TommyP wrote:On June 16 2012 08:04 JJH777 wrote: MarineKing the number 1 Terran? I don't think he was the Terran that just won GSL.... Pretty sure he's the one who hasn't even passed ro16 in like a year. Code S really isnt the best indicator of skill. Anything can happen and its like a shit fest basically. I dont really think you can dispute MKP as the best Terran (DRG fan here) GSL is basically a shit fest and anything can happen, what do you call rushing out an entire premier tournament in a weekend? GSL is where you can see who the most consistent players are, not just who is having a good weekend. True, but it shows who can be the best in the world without preparing for a single opponent and what i meant by "shit fest" was there is just too much talent and you never have an easy game, where as in MLG you can play a foreigner, but yes pretty much all tournaments are shit fests. I can agree with that, I still think winning a GSL with the current length of the season is by far the most impressive thing any player can accomplish though. Last year's GSL seasons were a lot shorter but now it really takes a champion to play well enough to win a 2-3 month long tournament. I'll give an example, Slayers_Alicia. Alicia was playing amazing at MLG and came home with second, beating MKP. But Alicia will never win GSL ( feel free to quote me months/years down the road and laugh if I'm wrong ) because he is not a true champion. Marineking is also, not yet, a true champion. When Marineking wins the GSL he will be. This of course has nothing to do with player skill and we're getting a bit off topic here but I want people to understand just how hard it is to win GSL compared to a weekend tournament. This is why It's the most prestigious tournament in the world and lots of people will agree 1 gsl > multiple MLG wins. And lots of people will agree multiple MLG wins is more impressive than 1 GSL win. I don't get why yall are even arguing. Some people like the planning, mindgame skills in GSL and some people like the game sense needed for MLGs. As for which one's better - they are both opinions, there is not right or wrong answer. For now the only objective reason GSL is considered better is because of the high level competition, but MLG keeps getting better and better players coming so ...
No the reason GSL is considered better is not only because the player pool is better, but also because the tournament is not finished in three days and there is no open bracket or pools difference which makes winning the tournament much much harder if you're not seeded. Players have an advantage before the tournament even begins. GSL also has bo5 for ro8 and semifinals and bo7 for finals, while MLG has bo3 all the way until the finals which is honestly ridiculous that the winners bracket finals is bo3.
And don't get me started on extended series.
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