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On June 13 2007 08:32 Mynock wrote: I remember the times people looked for something good to say about a player. Nowadays everybody just assumes everything for granted. There's 0 respect to people who shaped this game. People who make YOU play it nowadays, and provide YOU entertainment. People without whom the game would be dead by now.
Don't be ungrateful. Show some respect.
Carlodajin?
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lol Jathin, i agree. It's too dangerous to talk about Nada, he should retire
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On June 13 2007 09:13 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2007 07:34 Mynock wrote:On June 13 2007 05:04 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 13 2007 04:25 Carnac wrote: lol @ nada losing to fucking yellow and chojja
nada youre horrible no, he obviously lost those proleague games intentionally he was putting all his focus on his starchallenge group and MSL survivor, both of which he's undefeated this month so far, no losses i think this warrants him to be #1 on teh powerranks Dude. It's the #1 most successful player in the history of BW you're talking about, and you're making it sound as if he (or in fact any pro player) gives a shit about a PowerRank? Ahahahaha. You and Etter's way of addressing players frontally and "throwing them a bone - LOL" amuses me to no end. Keep the comedy up, people Sure, it angers the Koreans who are not used to insulting their players out of love for the game and respect for fans of other pros, but lol, who cares about those slanted-eyed fucks anyway, eh Hot_Bid? Ain't I right, eh Etter old chap? July, I just so wanted to tell you, and I know you're reading this - you suck cock like you do sausages , you fat fuck. I hope you do horrible in every league from now on, and I actually know you will, cause you can't distinguish your hatcheries from your ass-cheeks, you fat-drowned kimchi-hamburger. Damn, I'm good... -Mynock you obviously didn't get my joke, i was just making a parody on Wasabi's post earlier. but okay i'm going to respond to your idiotic post anyway. 1. nobody said pro players care about power rank. it's a side feature on a random community powered starcraft news site. i don't know where you got the belief that anyone, etter included, thinks the power rank matters to anyone other than the people that post in the thread. 2. etter's style is just etter's style. i see you have a problem with the way he "insults" players, but again nobody had said anything racist about korean players or korean fans at all. who are all these koreans you are saying are insulted? i don't see any. and YOU'RE the one making jokes about "slanty-eyed fucks" while even in parody is an affront to not only koreans but to me as well, as it's a derogatory slur to every asian person. i am chinese. so please shut the fuck up about that ok? 3. everything you said about july is fine in a fan perspective. fans have said much worse to teams they hate in every sport. try to be a little less sensitive about players and fans "honor" being insulted and be a little MORE sensitive when you throw around "slanty-eyed fucks" when nobody, not in any threads in any power rank made any racist connotations. i have never and will never make a racist comment about any player, korean or not. Mynock do us all a favor and shut the fuck up, I don't fucking care if you used "who cares about those slanty-eyed fucks, eh Hot_Bid?" in jest. It's not funny. I don't care what you meant by it, the implication is there. I'm Asian and quite proud of my heritage. That comment you used to mock me is not only condescending to me and every Korean its insulting to just about every political and social belief I hold. I'm 100% serious when I say a big "FUCK YOU" to you ok?
Well, I can now only hope that you think about it a little, and maybe you'll come to the same conclusion that I came to I'd like to apologize for what I wrote, as it was of course horrible, but I hope you'll understand just what I was trying to say that way. In no contest should I have been allowed to write something like that either.
I will gladly take all the flak you direct towards me, as it might just be a little beam of light at the end of the dark cave. And you can't even for a second assume I was ever being serious in what I said. I study Japanese as a major ffs. Look at my avatar.
Now calm down, and replace Asian with "Terran player" or "favourite player" and think about it. And no, nothing I said about July is OK If I said it as a news-writer, on the FRONT PAGE. NO, NO, NO, NEVER. You are forgetting your position, Hot_Bid, you quite often do.
You say:
That comment you used to mock me is not only condescending to me and every Korean its insulting to just about every political and social belief I hold.
Those are good words, think about them.
-Mynock
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On June 13 2007 09:30 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2007 08:32 Mynock wrote: I remember the times people looked for something good to say about a player. Nowadays everybody just assumes everything for granted. There's 0 respect to people who shaped this game. People who make YOU play it nowadays, and provide YOU entertainment. People without whom the game would be dead by now.
Don't be ungrateful. Show some respect.
Carlodajin?
Hey, now you're just being a dick.
I'm sure you can do better tho.
-Mynock
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On June 13 2007 09:36 Jathin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2007 09:13 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 13 2007 07:34 Mynock wrote:On June 13 2007 05:04 Hot_Bid wrote:On June 13 2007 04:25 Carnac wrote: lol @ nada losing to fucking yellow and chojja
nada youre horrible no, he obviously lost those proleague games intentionally he was putting all his focus on his starchallenge group and MSL survivor, both of which he's undefeated this month so far, no losses i think this warrants him to be #1 on teh powerranks Dude. It's the #1 most successful player in the history of BW you're talking about, and you're making it sound as if he (or in fact any pro player) gives a shit about a PowerRank? Ahahahaha. You and Etter's way of addressing players frontally and "throwing them a bone - LOL" amuses me to no end. Keep the comedy up, people Sure, it angers the Koreans who are not used to insulting their players out of love for the game and respect for fans of other pros, but lol, who cares about those slanted-eyed fucks anyway, eh Hot_Bid? Ain't I right, eh Etter old chap? July, I just so wanted to tell you, and I know you're reading this - you suck cock like you do sausages , you fat fuck. I hope you do horrible in every league from now on, and I actually know you will, cause you can't distinguish your hatcheries from your ass-cheeks, you fat-drowned kimchi-hamburger. Damn, I'm good... -Mynock you obviously didn't get my joke, i was just making a parody on Wasabi's post earlier. but okay i'm going to respond to your idiotic post anyway. 1. nobody said pro players care about power rank. it's a side feature on a random community powered starcraft news site. i don't know where you got the belief that anyone, etter included, thinks the power rank matters to anyone other than the people that post in the thread. 2. etter's style is just etter's style. i see you have a problem with the way he "insults" players, but again nobody had said anything racist about korean players or korean fans at all. who are all these koreans you are saying are insulted? i don't see any. and YOU'RE the one making jokes about "slanty-eyed fucks" while even in parody is an affront to not only koreans but to me as well, as it's a derogatory slur to every asian person. i am chinese. so please shut the fuck up about that ok? 3. everything you said about july is fine in a fan perspective. fans have said much worse to teams they hate in every sport. try to be a little less sensitive about players and fans "honor" being insulted and be a little MORE sensitive when you throw around "slanty-eyed fucks" when nobody, not in any threads in any power rank made any racist connotations. i have never and will never make a racist comment about any player, korean or not. Mynock do us all a favor and shut the fuck up, I don't fucking care if you used "who cares about those slanty-eyed fucks, eh Hot_Bid?" in jest. It's not funny. I don't care what you meant by it, the implication is there. I'm Asian and quite proud of my heritage. That comment you used to mock me is not only condescending to me and every Korean its insulting to just about every political and social belief I strongly uphold. I'm 100% serious when I say a big "FUCK YOU" to you ok? So, am I the only one that's saying, "What the fuck happened to this thread?" Either way. I don't want to touch the subject of whether or not someone should be offended by phrases like "slanty-eyed fucks," because it's a matter of what one's pride means on a subjective level to oneself. I will agree, however, that the racism was unwarranted and out of the blue. These slanty-eyed fucks are people we admire because they're so fucking good at Starcraft. Don't deny that, because you're on a website that started off devoted to them and have over 2500 posts. Slanty-eyed fucks: 1, Mynock: 0
No dude, what I sad was obviously very harsh and out-of-context and should never be tolerated, especially if I have a blue name to it. But um, you just agreed to what my point was.
These slanty-eyed fucks are people we admire because they're so fucking good at Starcraft. Don't deny that, because you're on a website that started off devoted to them and have over 2500 posts.
Bingo.
-Mynock
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Braavos36362 Posts
On June 13 2007 09:50 Mynock wrote: Now calm down, and replace Asian with "Terran player" or "favourite player" and think about it. And no, nothing I said about July is OK If I said it as a news-writer, on the FRONT PAGE. NO, NO, NO, NEVER. You are forgetting your position, Hot_Bid, you quite often do. i haven't forgotten anything. where has Etter written anything like what you wrote in that statement about July? we've hashed and rehashed this argument about "insulting" korean progamers again and again. you think it's an insult that Etter writes the way he does, I think you're oversensitive. I doubt either party is changing, so i thought there was just a mutual agreement to drop the subject, and then out of the blue random you post again bringing it up. why?
You say: Show nested quote +That comment you used to mock me is not only condescending to me and every Korean its insulting to just about every political and social belief I hold. Those are good words, think about them. -Mynock As if Etter saying "Nal_rA is terrible" or making a July fat joke is the same as calling them a "slanted-eyed fuck." Some are honest criticisms, some are jests, none are malicious racist remarks.
I find it pretty funny you'd imply that I'm being a hypocrit here. But whatever, drop the racism subject I fully agree with Jathin that it was completely misplaced and should be moved past. I'd appreciate no more posts about it.
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On June 13 2007 09:58 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2007 09:50 Mynock wrote: Now calm down, and replace Asian with "Terran player" or "favourite player" and think about it. And no, nothing I said about July is OK If I said it as a news-writer, on the FRONT PAGE. NO, NO, NO, NEVER. You are forgetting your position, Hot_Bid, you quite often do. i haven't forgotten anything. where has Etter written anything like what you wrote in that statement about July? we've hashed and rehashed this argument about "insulting" korean progamers again and again. you think it's an insult that Etter writes the way he does, I think you're oversensitive. I doubt either party is changing, so i thought there was just a mutual agreement to drop the subject, and then out of the blue random you post again bringing it up. why?
Agreed, I was a bit ambiguous here, this is why:
From Live2Win's reports:
last weeks game was nothing short of rape. It was like watching a progamer play with a C5 newb. I don't know WHAT went on in that man's head, but he's gotta do less DDR, and more BW.
Hwasin, I am disgusted. You are doing so well despite everyone's claims of you being the weaker link, and you've been throwing all sorts of shit in their faces to prove otherwise... then you enter last week with a freaking bbs build and completely fail it. What a joke.
A match that should be a bit more interesting. Last week match turned out to be a horrendous, Light pausing the game and whining about the map being different. Honestly... how do you practice on an old version for weeks, play a match on it in Group Stages, and STILL NOT NOTICE IT?! This goes to the MBC coaching staff and his teammates.
Can anybody explain to me what this is doing on the front page? Can anybody deny to know JUST WHEN it all started, and WHO started it?
You say: Show nested quote +That comment you used to mock me is not only condescending to me and every Korean its insulting to just about every political and social belief I hold. Those are good words, think about them. -Mynock As if Etter saying "Nal_rA is terrible" or making a July fat joke is the same as calling them a "slanted-eyed fuck." Some are honest criticisms, some are jests, none are malicious racist remarks.
I find it pretty funny you'd imply that I'm being a hypocrit here. But whatever, drop the racism subject I fully agree with Jathin that it was completely misplaced and should be moved past. I'd appreciate no more posts about it.[/QUOTE]
It's OK if it's funny to you, that's not the point. Racism was only to stir some shit. And to show you that there are some things SOME people are MORE sensitive to than others. You don't get it, do you? I LOVE BW. I want to see it big, not a shit-fest about who sucks more. NONE OF THEM SUCK. They're all great, the question is who's better.
-Mynock
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can someone explain to me what mynock is arguing about?
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Braavos36362 Posts
jathin articulated the part about news and the PR pretty well.
As for this:
On June 13 2007 08:32 Mynock wrote: You know what, I read this MANTOSS garbage left and right, and while it's pretty obvious it's fanboyism speaking, I'd NEVER call Reach a n00b, or say he sucks, even in the deepest of his slumps. Because he's great. Regardless of what he plays like now, he's GREAT. He's a prominent figure of BW. I'm not a fan of his, never was or will be. But it's obvious, and I'd be a fucking idiot if I couldn't acknowledge that much.
I remember the times people looked for something good to say about a player. Nowadays everybody just assumes everything for granted. There's 0 respect to people who shaped this game. People who make YOU play it nowadays, and provide YOU entertainment. People without whom the game would be dead by now.
Don't be ungrateful. Show some respect.
-Mynock we're not talking about or parents or ancestors.
you make it seem like progamers are some sort of gods, like we owe them something for "shaping this game" or "providing us entertainment."
they get paid. they play. we watch and talk about them. we wouldn't watch if they weren't there, they wouldn't play if we weren't watching. nobody owes anyone some big debt of gratitude.
in the history of sports entertainment fans watch and criticize and cheer and make fun. that's what fans of sports do. nobody is sitting there babysitting them saying "don't be ungrateful, show some respect!!!"
you should be allowed to be a fan, because that's what we all are.
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On June 13 2007 10:09 Hot_Bid wrote:jathin articulated the part about news and the PR pretty well. As for this: Show nested quote +On June 13 2007 08:32 Mynock wrote: You know what, I read this MANTOSS garbage left and right, and while it's pretty obvious it's fanboyism speaking, I'd NEVER call Reach a n00b, or say he sucks, even in the deepest of his slumps. Because he's great. Regardless of what he plays like now, he's GREAT. He's a prominent figure of BW. I'm not a fan of his, never was or will be. But it's obvious, and I'd be a fucking idiot if I couldn't acknowledge that much.
I remember the times people looked for something good to say about a player. Nowadays everybody just assumes everything for granted. There's 0 respect to people who shaped this game. People who make YOU play it nowadays, and provide YOU entertainment. People without whom the game would be dead by now.
Don't be ungrateful. Show some respect.
-Mynock we're not talking about or parents or ancestors. you make it seem like progamers are some sort of gods, like we owe them something for "shaping this game" or "providing us entertainment." they get paid. they play. we watch and talk about them. we wouldn't watch if they weren't there, they wouldn't play if we weren't watching. nobody owes anyone some big debt of gratitude. in the history of sports entertainment fans watch and criticize and cheer and make fun. that's what fans of sports do. nobody is sitting there babysitting them saying "don't be ungrateful, show some respect!!!" you should be allowed to be a fan, because that's what we all are.
We went through this a countless times, maybe I suck at emphasizing my point: YOU'RE NOT a fan, you're a news poster.
There are things that should NOT go on the front page. Almost anything is FINE in the forums - of course! I think it's great TL.net is basically the major hub for foreign BW ProGaming. Try not to turn it into some 8th grade shitty editorial column with overused cheap puns and insults.
Maybe I'm just turning old and remember the old days of Mensrea too much. If so, I dunno, guess I should just STFU. But I really thought it would be better that way, and that this way it's just going downhill.
Whatever.
-Mynock
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uh, every single newsposter, sports journalist, sports reporter, sports writer in the history of athletic competition is still a fan.
that's true about cnn and espn, and certainly true for a community-powered fringe sport like progaming and a forum like TL. we're all fans at heart and always will be.
just because i have blue letters does not mean i somehow lose the ability to view and cheer and i have to be some sort of politically correct automaton that conforms to your notions of "respect" and "gratitude" towards athletes.
even so, i'm allowed to say nada sucks if he fucking sucks. which he does right now. newswriters are allowed to have opinions.
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Canada9720 Posts
We're all fans, and the phenomenon of fans focusing on poor behaviour from well-known players is not an idiosyncrasy of teamliquid and its users -- pro sports fans from every sport do the same thing. any top athlete known for achieving top results will garner negative attention they start to play like crap. of course, this doesn't mean that the fans will appreciate good matches played by lesser known players any less, on the contrary, it means that they may receive additional attention, eventually. nobody will talk about a has-been forever, and while players and their personalities are vital parts for a successful [e]sports industry, in the end, it's all about the game.
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this is also true of every editorial and column written by sportswriters too. if you check the local websites for the boston red sox and the new york yankees you'll find people saying much worse things about professional athletes than Etter says in his column.
people call A-Rod a sissy for slapping the baseball out of that first baseman's hand, that doesn't mean they don't recognize that he's likely one of the best players in baseball.
people call Robert Horry a cheater for cheap shotting Steve Nash but they still can say he's a clutch shooter.
people call Shaq fat all the time but still would love to have him on their team.
professional paid writers do these things, and the PR isn't any worse than that.
who said we should hold Etter to the standards of paid professional writers anyway?
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Canada9720 Posts
mensrea had/[has] a red name, but i follow ya
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