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On October 13 2011 01:49 hai2u wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 01:42 sitromit wrote:On October 13 2011 01:29 hai2u wrote: u want less Terran dominance and more Zerg/Toss in GSL? then cut the code S/code A crap and just have a 64 player tournament like Super Tournament, then we wont have to see the same terrans over and over again. Sure those zerg/protoss might get bounced by terrans but at least there will be more variety. Yeah, cause that's exactly what happened in the Super Tournament, didn't it? 6 Terrans in final 8... All Terran semis.. At least it's better than what we have now where protoss has no chance in up/down single matches. Also with Code S you are already guaranteed an overabundance of Terrans being 20+ out of 32 whereas the racial distribution is alot better if it is out of 64 as the 32 players in code A have good zerg/toss representation. At least then there's a better chance of Zerg/Toss getting deep ;p.
Better chance of getting deep? They're not flipping coins (arguably). The whole point of Code A / Code S is because the better players would win anyways.
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On October 13 2011 02:37 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 02:27 Inex wrote: So it will be a MVP vs Happy final, with MVP taking it with 4-0 in an anticlimatic final series. Can't wait.
MMA vs Happy will probably end with MMA winning IMO. Not sure why you all are jumping to conclusions.
I'm not even sure why people think Happy would win in that match up. MMA is a notch above Happy in TvT.
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On October 13 2011 02:41 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 02:37 SniXSniPe wrote:On October 13 2011 02:27 Inex wrote: So it will be a MVP vs Happy final, with MVP taking it with 4-0 in an anticlimatic final series. Can't wait.
MMA vs Happy will probably end with MMA winning IMO. Not sure why you all are jumping to conclusions. I'm not even sure why people think Happy would win in that match up. MMA is a notch above Happy in TvT.
It's not that crazy, Happy is a really strong player, and we haven't really seen a lot of his TvT yet, given how many terrans there are in GSL. I will give MMA the advantage of course, but I wouldn't count Happy out.
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Yeah I heard the same thing about MMA walking over Polt in the super tournament finals, when it turned out to be quite the opposite. I don't even want to mention all the times, when everyone was giving almost zero chance for someone to win, but doing it despite all that. I hope that I am wrong, since MMA is one of my favourites, but Happy still has a big chance to take the series, but I am afraid that he is no match for MVP.
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On October 12 2011 22:59 Tula wrote: Actually the line is equally thin for Terrans, once an attack is inside your production facilities it's basically gg unless you can mop it up with your scvs. I still wonder why Zergs are happy to let Terrans go for reactor Hellions, it's such a risky build that doing it against any roaches at all is close to suicidal if the map positions are anywhere close (not crossfire and not tal'darim basically).
Why is it called "all-in" if a Zerg cuts drones for 1 minute to produce a gaggle of roaches to be safe? Zerg can drone the fastest due to their larva mechanic so they can easily make up the number of drones.
The problem is roaches have no follow up if you fail to deal damage. This creates a sort of coinflip situation where zergs are behind if they build roaches against a terran that does not over-commit to hellions.
Opening with roaches in small maps are not that bad, but if terran predicts it and put up bunkers in advance, terran following up with a 2 base timing attack with that shorter rush distance is gonna hit zerg badly.
On large maps, roaches are bad >.> You need roaches against any 2 fact hellion build, but ideally you need to stay on lings against 1 fact or you will get out expanded by terran. Roaches are too slow and will get pinned back by hellions in large maps. Good terrans will most likely stay even on bases with zerg and that's a position zerg do not want to be in.
In short, roaches are only good in smaller maps when terran overcommit on hellions or get greedy. The problem is zerg have no way of identifying that through scouting. Zerg needs to decides on their roach tech before they can scout it, so a large part comes down to luck -_-
Regardless of races' distinct macro mechanics, you can't just quantify one's economy growth by number of workers. You need to visualise it by time. No matter how fast a zerg can drone, he is lagging behind by 1 min worth of economy growth. So what happens if the opponent take advantage of this 1 min, he can either kill you with a timing push if timed right or simply get greedier.
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wow sooooooooooo boring, TvT both semi-finals and then a TvT finals, Seems like I wont be watching the Semis and Finals this time.
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Yep, I aint watching GSL anymore. Not until theres a healthy racial balance anyway.
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You probably won't be watching GSL for a while then my friend.
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On October 13 2011 03:42 lizzard_warish wrote: Yep, I aint watching GSL anymore. Not until theres a healthy racial balance anyway.
When did you start watching? Since GSL January, there has never been less than 27 Terrans in the GSL (out of 64 total slots). It peaked in GSL August at 32, but in October it was 28.
The GSL has always been a Terran-fest at the highest level, and that should say a lot about SC2. I quit watching the GSL a long time ago.
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It is kind of sad that I'm looking forward to Up/Down matches more than to Code S Semis and Finals.
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I didnt watch game 3 of Coca vs Happy, just read the Live Report but I wonder how can you die to such a 1 base all in on crossfire? You should be able to constantly scout with an ovi if terran has an expo on this map. So why did Coca make a Spire and then cancel it again?
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On October 13 2011 03:56 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 03:42 lizzard_warish wrote: Yep, I aint watching GSL anymore. Not until theres a healthy racial balance anyway. When did you start watching? Since GSL January, there has never been less than 27 Terrans in the GSL (out of 64 total slots). It peaked in GSL August at 32, but in October it was 28. The GSL has always been a Terran-fest at the highest level, and that should say a lot about SC2. I quit watching the GSL a long time ago. Yeah I know, and my viewing has gone down dramatically. But by this point im totally fed up.
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i understand that GSL is not blizzard, but I think if GOM had the money, it would bribe blizzard to nerf terran so they have have an interesting finals for once
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On October 13 2011 04:18 Zer atai wrote: i understand that GSL is not blizzard, but I think if GOM had the money, it would bribe blizzard to nerf terran so they have have an interesting finals for once
Yeah u are right, all TvT finals finish 4-0 while other MU finals are full of 4-3s
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On October 13 2011 04:19 eksert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 04:18 Zer atai wrote: i understand that GSL is not blizzard, but I think if GOM had the money, it would bribe blizzard to nerf terran so they have have an interesting finals for once Yeah u are right, all TvT finals finish 4-0 while other MU finals are full of 4-3s This is sarcasm right? I think my detection meter needs recharging.
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On October 13 2011 04:18 Zer atai wrote: i understand that GSL is not blizzard, but I think if GOM had the money, it would bribe blizzard to nerf terran so they have have an interesting finals for once We've had finals without Terran and they still sucked. GOM finals are cursed, maybe Blizzcon can break it.
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On October 13 2011 04:19 eksert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 04:18 Zer atai wrote: i understand that GSL is not blizzard, but I think if GOM had the money, it would bribe blizzard to nerf terran so they have have an interesting finals for once Yeah u are right, all TvT finals finish 4-0 while other MU finals are full of 4-3s
Nestea vs Losira. 4-0. ZvZ Nestea vs Inca. 4-0. ZvP MKP vs MVP in Super Tournament. 4-2. TvT.
Point being, regardless of matchups, GSL finals are boring because one player doesn't really belong there in the first place or their nerves get the best of them. Hope you're joking.
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I think GSL finals suck because one side of the bracket is stacked whilst the other half has great but not MVP level Terran players. Having said that, I thought Nestea Losira would be close.
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Does anybody realize how developed the storyline of this GSL code S season is going to be?
IMMVP vs SlayersGanzi. IMHappy vs SlayersMMA.
IM VS SLAYERS....
GSTL season 2.....
Even though it's another TvT, the story is what matters here. Since all four players belong to two different teams, the IM players can practice against each other and Slayers can do the same. Thus, we should get exceptionally high-quality games for the semifinals, because the team who practices better should be able to overcome the team that doesn't do the same.
I'm definitely going to be watching. IM fighting!
In addition, we also have the possibility of an MLG Anaheim finals rematch. Get excited people!
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On October 12 2011 22:54 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 22:52 synkronized wrote:On October 12 2011 21:55 The KY wrote:On October 12 2011 21:52 Flonomenalz wrote:On October 12 2011 21:25 The KY wrote:On October 12 2011 21:21 Flonomenalz wrote:On October 12 2011 21:18 The KY wrote:On October 12 2011 21:17 Flonomenalz wrote:On October 12 2011 21:14 Desert Fox wrote: Didn't Zergs roflstomp Terrans at IPL? We basically cheesed you before you could cheese us. And there's a big difference between a tournament like IPL and GSL Code S. There's also a big difference between a player like Lucky and a player like MMA. MMA - reputed to have some of the greatest TvZ on the planet Lucky - sorry who? Lucky 3-0 MMA. Did you not read the part about me saying we cheesed you before you could cheese us? And MMA played very badly, not his usual at all. Idk if it was jetlag or something, but he's MUCH better than Lucky. If they played right now a rematch he'd probably 3-0 him. You can't take TOO much out of a weekend tournament because 1 series and you're done. I read it and disregarded it - but very well. I guess Happy just cheesed Coca before Coca could cheese him. As for taking too much from one series, that's exactly my point. Coca has famously bad ZvT and yet because he lost...a ZvT suddenly zerg is unwinnable again. P.S. Lucky 2-1 Ryung. Stephano 3-1 TheSTC EDIT: Also I'm not sure I like being included in 'you' when talking about all terrans everywhere...I don't define myself that way, I don't support only terrans in tournament, I play protoss and terran. It's not because he lost, it's because he was the last non Terran that lost. You seriously, seriously must not have watched any of Lucky's games vs Terrans at IPL. I can't even remember him not Roach ling all inning. So if the zerg all ins it doesn't count but if a Terran all ins then it's a balance issue? But there's no such thing as a Terran all in =P But honestly, the big difference comes from how a Terran and Zerg all in works. Terrans have a much more forgiving race that can resist regular aggression and not flat out die to an all in if caught off guard. The line between aggression and all in for Z's before they really get rolling is quite fine and all inning's far more volatile. Literally, an all in for Z's simply sustained aggression for T. Terran all ins suck...I mean protoss has FF's and zerg has banelings. How do you lose to all ins? What all in ? There is no all in as Terran since if you hit the right timing, you're assured to do a lot of damage and you have mule. But terran's timings attack are too powerfull (risk/rewards).
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