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On October 13 2011 19:32 BigKahunaBurger wrote: ITT: People complaining about a problem which is completely out of GOM's control.
I don't understand why people are angry at the GSL for the racial distribution. How is it AT ALL their fault? Or should they only let Terrans apply for Code A on alternating months? I'm sure no one is going to be upset then.
Any balance issues may be Blizzard's fault, but GOM isn't helping by having a format that encourages stagnation at the top.
Bo1 Up/Downs where an up and coming Zerg/Protoss has to face multiple Terran opponents is just asking for all-ins/cheese.
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On October 13 2011 12:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2011 23:16 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:14 DelRax wrote:On October 12 2011 23:11 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:04 Zer atai wrote: sigh, another boring GSL final Watching greatness instead of the same old boring games just sucks so bad.... I'm starting to think people would actually be happier if some random protoss/zerg won a GSL instead of a player who actually diserves it, which this time, is MVP. Even as a protoss, I still love watching every game he plays. I know right? He's amazing and it kind of pisses me off that people don't appreciate how good he is. The problem is that because Terran is so strong, it's easy for unspectacular Terrans to make it far. They just have to beat Protosses or Zergs or other unspectacular Terrans who made it thus far the same way. Kinda like how Inca made it to a final by beating mostly Protosses and then got smacked hard when he came up to an actual threat, Ganzi and Happy made it to the semifinals by beating mostly non-Terrans and I expect them to be likewise smacked hard when they come up to an actual threat. MMA at least had to come up through other Terrans, so I have to expect he's actually capable enough. I guess I'll be rooting for him to make it to the finals then. But MVP, we know he has the actual skills to make it to the finals without Terran imbalance. So the problem is that we're in the semifinals here, and aside from MVP I don't even know if those players are going to be competitive. I'm just expecting MVP to walkover everyone from here, where's the excitement in that? If I want to see MVP's TvT, why not just rewatch last season's finals?
Winner of IPL3: Zerg Winner of IEM Guanzhou: Zerg Winner of Code A Finals: Zerg Winner of DH Valencia: Zerg Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here)
AFAIK there have been 3 wins of Zerg in Code S, 3 wins of Protoss and 3-4 wins of Terran in GSL Code S?
Fuck all of this balance whine, barely see protoss starting to use Warp Prism and Mothership, Zergs have NesTea to look at, he fucking owns everybody except MVP who is a beast as you say.
And no, I'm not saying zerg is OP at all, I think it's fine.
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On October 13 2011 23:09 sereniity wrote:Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here) It's actually MVP.
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On October 13 2011 23:09 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 12:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On October 12 2011 23:16 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:14 DelRax wrote:On October 12 2011 23:11 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:04 Zer atai wrote: sigh, another boring GSL final Watching greatness instead of the same old boring games just sucks so bad.... I'm starting to think people would actually be happier if some random protoss/zerg won a GSL instead of a player who actually diserves it, which this time, is MVP. Even as a protoss, I still love watching every game he plays. I know right? He's amazing and it kind of pisses me off that people don't appreciate how good he is. The problem is that because Terran is so strong, it's easy for unspectacular Terrans to make it far. They just have to beat Protosses or Zergs or other unspectacular Terrans who made it thus far the same way. Kinda like how Inca made it to a final by beating mostly Protosses and then got smacked hard when he came up to an actual threat, Ganzi and Happy made it to the semifinals by beating mostly non-Terrans and I expect them to be likewise smacked hard when they come up to an actual threat. MMA at least had to come up through other Terrans, so I have to expect he's actually capable enough. I guess I'll be rooting for him to make it to the finals then. But MVP, we know he has the actual skills to make it to the finals without Terran imbalance. So the problem is that we're in the semifinals here, and aside from MVP I don't even know if those players are going to be competitive. I'm just expecting MVP to walkover everyone from here, where's the excitement in that? If I want to see MVP's TvT, why not just rewatch last season's finals? Winner of IPL3: Zerg Winner of IEM Guanzhou: Zerg Winner of Code A Finals: Zerg Winner of DH Valencia: Zerg Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here) AFAIK there have been 3 wins of Zerg in Code S, 3 wins of Protoss and 3-4 wins of Terran in GSL Code S? Fuck all of this balance whine, barely see protoss starting to use Warp Prism and Mothership, Zergs have NesTea to look at, he fucking owns everybody except MVP who is a beast as you say. And no, I'm not saying zerg is OP at all, I think it's fine. MVP won the last GSL, Zerg has 4 Code-S wins (NesTea for 3, FruitDealer if you choose to include his for one)
I think part of the complaint was the overwhelming majority of terrans, and how that effects the GSL Code-S results. I'm sorry but mentioning NesTea's past wins really amount to nothing for me- his amount of Code-S victories is not going to fix the racial distribution in Code-S.
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On October 13 2011 23:09 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 12:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On October 12 2011 23:16 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:14 DelRax wrote:On October 12 2011 23:11 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:04 Zer atai wrote: sigh, another boring GSL final Watching greatness instead of the same old boring games just sucks so bad.... I'm starting to think people would actually be happier if some random protoss/zerg won a GSL instead of a player who actually diserves it, which this time, is MVP. Even as a protoss, I still love watching every game he plays. I know right? He's amazing and it kind of pisses me off that people don't appreciate how good he is. The problem is that because Terran is so strong, it's easy for unspectacular Terrans to make it far. They just have to beat Protosses or Zergs or other unspectacular Terrans who made it thus far the same way. Kinda like how Inca made it to a final by beating mostly Protosses and then got smacked hard when he came up to an actual threat, Ganzi and Happy made it to the semifinals by beating mostly non-Terrans and I expect them to be likewise smacked hard when they come up to an actual threat. MMA at least had to come up through other Terrans, so I have to expect he's actually capable enough. I guess I'll be rooting for him to make it to the finals then. But MVP, we know he has the actual skills to make it to the finals without Terran imbalance. So the problem is that we're in the semifinals here, and aside from MVP I don't even know if those players are going to be competitive. I'm just expecting MVP to walkover everyone from here, where's the excitement in that? If I want to see MVP's TvT, why not just rewatch last season's finals? Winner of IPL3: Zerg Winner of IEM Guanzhou: Zerg Winner of Code A Finals: Zerg Winner of DH Valencia: Zerg Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here) AFAIK there have been 3 wins of Zerg in Code S, 3 wins of Protoss and 3-4 wins of Terran in GSL Code S? Fuck all of this balance whine, barely see protoss starting to use Warp Prism and Mothership, Zergs have NesTea to look at, he fucking owns everybody except MVP who is a beast as you say. And no, I'm not saying zerg is OP at all, I think it's fine.
That doesn't matter. Those zerg players are good and all terrans are crappy and rely on their OP race to win, no skill involved. Protoss players are the best but they just want a personal challenge by playing the weakest race in the game.
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On October 13 2011 23:09 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 12:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On October 12 2011 23:16 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:14 DelRax wrote:On October 12 2011 23:11 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:04 Zer atai wrote: sigh, another boring GSL final Watching greatness instead of the same old boring games just sucks so bad.... I'm starting to think people would actually be happier if some random protoss/zerg won a GSL instead of a player who actually diserves it, which this time, is MVP. Even as a protoss, I still love watching every game he plays. I know right? He's amazing and it kind of pisses me off that people don't appreciate how good he is. The problem is that because Terran is so strong, it's easy for unspectacular Terrans to make it far. They just have to beat Protosses or Zergs or other unspectacular Terrans who made it thus far the same way. Kinda like how Inca made it to a final by beating mostly Protosses and then got smacked hard when he came up to an actual threat, Ganzi and Happy made it to the semifinals by beating mostly non-Terrans and I expect them to be likewise smacked hard when they come up to an actual threat. MMA at least had to come up through other Terrans, so I have to expect he's actually capable enough. I guess I'll be rooting for him to make it to the finals then. But MVP, we know he has the actual skills to make it to the finals without Terran imbalance. So the problem is that we're in the semifinals here, and aside from MVP I don't even know if those players are going to be competitive. I'm just expecting MVP to walkover everyone from here, where's the excitement in that? If I want to see MVP's TvT, why not just rewatch last season's finals? Winner of IPL3: Zerg Winner of IEM Guanzhou: Zerg Winner of Code A Finals: Zerg Winner of DH Valencia: Zerg Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here) AFAIK there have been 3 wins of Zerg in Code S, 3 wins of Protoss and 3-4 wins of Terran in GSL Code S? Fuck all of this balance whine, barely see protoss starting to use Warp Prism and Mothership, Zergs have NesTea to look at, he fucking owns everybody except MVP who is a beast as you say. And no, I'm not saying zerg is OP at all, I think it's fine.
Did I miss a GSL? When was the third Protoss title? And there's been 4 Zerg wins
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On October 13 2011 23:09 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 12:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On October 12 2011 23:16 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:14 DelRax wrote:On October 12 2011 23:11 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:04 Zer atai wrote: sigh, another boring GSL final Watching greatness instead of the same old boring games just sucks so bad.... I'm starting to think people would actually be happier if some random protoss/zerg won a GSL instead of a player who actually diserves it, which this time, is MVP. Even as a protoss, I still love watching every game he plays. I know right? He's amazing and it kind of pisses me off that people don't appreciate how good he is. The problem is that because Terran is so strong, it's easy for unspectacular Terrans to make it far. They just have to beat Protosses or Zergs or other unspectacular Terrans who made it thus far the same way. Kinda like how Inca made it to a final by beating mostly Protosses and then got smacked hard when he came up to an actual threat, Ganzi and Happy made it to the semifinals by beating mostly non-Terrans and I expect them to be likewise smacked hard when they come up to an actual threat. MMA at least had to come up through other Terrans, so I have to expect he's actually capable enough. I guess I'll be rooting for him to make it to the finals then. But MVP, we know he has the actual skills to make it to the finals without Terran imbalance. So the problem is that we're in the semifinals here, and aside from MVP I don't even know if those players are going to be competitive. I'm just expecting MVP to walkover everyone from here, where's the excitement in that? If I want to see MVP's TvT, why not just rewatch last season's finals? Winner of IPL3: Zerg Winner of IEM Guanzhou: Zerg Winner of Code A Finals: Zerg Winner of DH Valencia: Zerg Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here) AFAIK there have been 3 wins of Zerg in Code S, 3 wins of Protoss and 3-4 wins of Terran in GSL Code S? Fuck all of this balance whine, barely see protoss starting to use Warp Prism and Mothership, Zergs have NesTea to look at, he fucking owns everybody except MVP who is a beast as you say. And no, I'm not saying zerg is OP at all, I think it's fine. Maths disagrees. http://i.imgur.com/Gopxg.png
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On October 13 2011 23:45 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 23:09 sereniity wrote:On October 13 2011 12:31 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On October 12 2011 23:16 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:14 DelRax wrote:On October 12 2011 23:11 VPVash wrote:On October 12 2011 23:04 Zer atai wrote: sigh, another boring GSL final Watching greatness instead of the same old boring games just sucks so bad.... I'm starting to think people would actually be happier if some random protoss/zerg won a GSL instead of a player who actually diserves it, which this time, is MVP. Even as a protoss, I still love watching every game he plays. I know right? He's amazing and it kind of pisses me off that people don't appreciate how good he is. The problem is that because Terran is so strong, it's easy for unspectacular Terrans to make it far. They just have to beat Protosses or Zergs or other unspectacular Terrans who made it thus far the same way. Kinda like how Inca made it to a final by beating mostly Protosses and then got smacked hard when he came up to an actual threat, Ganzi and Happy made it to the semifinals by beating mostly non-Terrans and I expect them to be likewise smacked hard when they come up to an actual threat. MMA at least had to come up through other Terrans, so I have to expect he's actually capable enough. I guess I'll be rooting for him to make it to the finals then. But MVP, we know he has the actual skills to make it to the finals without Terran imbalance. So the problem is that we're in the semifinals here, and aside from MVP I don't even know if those players are going to be competitive. I'm just expecting MVP to walkover everyone from here, where's the excitement in that? If I want to see MVP's TvT, why not just rewatch last season's finals? Winner of IPL3: Zerg Winner of IEM Guanzhou: Zerg Winner of Code A Finals: Zerg Winner of DH Valencia: Zerg Winner of last Code S: NesTea (correct me if I'm wrong here) AFAIK there have been 3 wins of Zerg in Code S, 3 wins of Protoss and 3-4 wins of Terran in GSL Code S? Fuck all of this balance whine, barely see protoss starting to use Warp Prism and Mothership, Zergs have NesTea to look at, he fucking owns everybody except MVP who is a beast as you say. And no, I'm not saying zerg is OP at all, I think it's fine. Did I miss a GSL? When was the third Protoss title? And there's been 4 Zerg wins
You didn't miss a GSL, there has only been one protoss champion and he's MC with 2 wins and only 1 Code S win with the other from the open tournament. Unless the guy is counting Puzzle's Code A win of course, but he's still wrong.
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On October 13 2011 22:21 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 19:32 BigKahunaBurger wrote: ITT: People complaining about a problem which is completely out of GOM's control.
I don't understand why people are angry at the GSL for the racial distribution. How is it AT ALL their fault? Or should they only let Terrans apply for Code A on alternating months? I'm sure no one is going to be upset then. Any balance issues may be Blizzard's fault, but GOM isn't helping by having a format that encourages stagnation at the top.. They have a system that encourage stability, not stagnation.
If anything, they are just doing something good by letting everyone see the problem.
You could always argue 'but he deserved to win in that particular match' - it's harder to argue 'all Terrans just play better'. Well, at least if you are trying to argue seriously.
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fuck yeah mma!!!!
coca
how did coca get 3-0? oh man..
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On October 14 2011 00:32 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 22:21 ZasZ. wrote:On October 13 2011 19:32 BigKahunaBurger wrote: ITT: People complaining about a problem which is completely out of GOM's control.
I don't understand why people are angry at the GSL for the racial distribution. How is it AT ALL their fault? Or should they only let Terrans apply for Code A on alternating months? I'm sure no one is going to be upset then. Any balance issues may be Blizzard's fault, but GOM isn't helping by having a format that encourages stagnation at the top.. They have a system that encourage stability, not stagnation. If anything, they are just doing something good by letting everyone see the problem. You could always argue 'but he deserved to win in that particular match' - it's harder to argue 'all Terrans just play better'. Well, at least if you are trying to argue seriously. Really? Is that why so many previous champions drop down to code A(/B lol MC) immediately after a big win? Letting the players pick their own seeding (right up to the finals) doesn't encourage stability in any way, shape or form. Players don't pick to make sure they get out of their groups, they pick so that they can win the tournament. It's totally understandable, I mean, who wants to face Nestea, Bomber or MVP in a BO7 with $40k on the line?
Until GOM stops letting players entirely decide seeding the finals will continue to suck/be TvT (notice how Code A has mostly been okay?). Let seeding go by elo and the TvT finals will probably cease; half the problem is that the seeding system often gets great players knocked out in a couple of BO1's. I guess you can't stop MC being stupid, though.
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On October 14 2011 00:59 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:32 aebriol wrote:On October 13 2011 22:21 ZasZ. wrote:On October 13 2011 19:32 BigKahunaBurger wrote: ITT: People complaining about a problem which is completely out of GOM's control.
I don't understand why people are angry at the GSL for the racial distribution. How is it AT ALL their fault? Or should they only let Terrans apply for Code A on alternating months? I'm sure no one is going to be upset then. Any balance issues may be Blizzard's fault, but GOM isn't helping by having a format that encourages stagnation at the top.. They have a system that encourage stability, not stagnation. If anything, they are just doing something good by letting everyone see the problem. You could always argue 'but he deserved to win in that particular match' - it's harder to argue 'all Terrans just play better'. Well, at least if you are trying to argue seriously. Really? Is that why so many previous champions drop down to code A(/B lol MC) immediately after a big win? Letting the players pick their own seeding (right up to the finals) doesn't encourage stability in any way, shape or form. Players don't pick to make sure they get out of their groups, they pick so that they can win the tournament. It's totally understandable, I mean, who wants to face Nestea, Bomber or MVP in a BO7 with $40k on the line? Until GOM stops letting players entirely decide seeding the finals will continue to suck/be TvT (notice how Code A has mostly been okay?). Let seeding go by elo and the TvT finals will probably cease; half the problem is that the seeding system often gets great players knocked out in a couple of BO1's. I guess you can't stop MC being stupid, though. Code A has mostly been okay because all the best Terrans are in Code S
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On October 14 2011 01:28 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:59 Jehct wrote:On October 14 2011 00:32 aebriol wrote:On October 13 2011 22:21 ZasZ. wrote:On October 13 2011 19:32 BigKahunaBurger wrote: ITT: People complaining about a problem which is completely out of GOM's control.
I don't understand why people are angry at the GSL for the racial distribution. How is it AT ALL their fault? Or should they only let Terrans apply for Code A on alternating months? I'm sure no one is going to be upset then. Any balance issues may be Blizzard's fault, but GOM isn't helping by having a format that encourages stagnation at the top.. They have a system that encourage stability, not stagnation. If anything, they are just doing something good by letting everyone see the problem. You could always argue 'but he deserved to win in that particular match' - it's harder to argue 'all Terrans just play better'. Well, at least if you are trying to argue seriously. Really? Is that why so many previous champions drop down to code A(/B lol MC) immediately after a big win? Letting the players pick their own seeding (right up to the finals) doesn't encourage stability in any way, shape or form. Players don't pick to make sure they get out of their groups, they pick so that they can win the tournament. It's totally understandable, I mean, who wants to face Nestea, Bomber or MVP in a BO7 with $40k on the line? Until GOM stops letting players entirely decide seeding the finals will continue to suck/be TvT (notice how Code A has mostly been okay?). Let seeding go by elo and the TvT finals will probably cease; half the problem is that the seeding system often gets great players knocked out in a couple of BO1's. I guess you can't stop MC being stupid, though. Code A has mostly been okay because all the best Terrans are in Code S
I hope this isnt the case but inside i feel it to be true. Hopefully they have a better system next year so that theres more change with regards to who is in code s so we can see more than TvT
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On October 14 2011 00:59 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 00:32 aebriol wrote:On October 13 2011 22:21 ZasZ. wrote:On October 13 2011 19:32 BigKahunaBurger wrote: ITT: People complaining about a problem which is completely out of GOM's control.
I don't understand why people are angry at the GSL for the racial distribution. How is it AT ALL their fault? Or should they only let Terrans apply for Code A on alternating months? I'm sure no one is going to be upset then. Any balance issues may be Blizzard's fault, but GOM isn't helping by having a format that encourages stagnation at the top.. They have a system that encourage stability, not stagnation. If anything, they are just doing something good by letting everyone see the problem. You could always argue 'but he deserved to win in that particular match' - it's harder to argue 'all Terrans just play better'. Well, at least if you are trying to argue seriously. Really? Is that why so many previous champions drop down to code A(/B lol MC) immediately after a big win? Letting the players pick their own seeding (right up to the finals) doesn't encourage stability in any way, shape or form. Players don't pick to make sure they get out of their groups, they pick so that they can win the tournament. It's totally understandable, I mean, who wants to face Nestea, Bomber or MVP in a BO7 with $40k on the line? Until GOM stops letting players entirely decide seeding the finals will continue to suck/be TvT (notice how Code A has mostly been okay?). Let seeding go by elo and the TvT finals will probably cease; half the problem is that the seeding system often gets great players knocked out in a couple of BO1's. I guess you can't stop MC being stupid, though.
An MSL style group play system is perfect for GSL imo.
Seed the 16 highest ELO players (grouped 1 and 16, 2 and 15 etc), then let the remaining lower 16 pick groups. That way they can still have their goofy picking ceremony and all that stuff.
The only other thing I'd change about the GSL format is to do what MSL does in the Round of 8 - rebalance the brackets based on ELO. So like when the two highest ELO players face (MVP and Nestea), they get balanced to opposite sides of the bracket. That way they'd face in the finals, not the Round of 8.
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