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my comments are just fine.
On March 29 2017 03:20 JimmiC wrote: Why are they worse, which players they have a worse? Is Ibaka worse then James Johnson? Is tucker worse then Tross? Have you been gushing over powell Nogeria and wright because they are worse?
they are fun to watch.. doesn't mean they are "better". Raptors defense is not as good as last year. their offense is about the same. this comment takes into account that scoring is up across the NBA.
retrospectively, the Raptors in 2016-2017 are worse because they have less wins. they used a lot younger players throughout the year much more often than last year. It seemed Casey//Management is sacrificing "win now" for the long term upside of their young, still-developing players.
guys with almost no NBA experience got lots of playing time this year. Last year the Raptors handed out ~ 1000 minutes to guys with almost no NBA experience. This year that # went up to ~3200 minutes and climbing. And, i'm not talking about some #1 overall pick getting time. I'm talking long term project guys. Nogeira, Wright, VanVleet, Siakam, Poetl. all guys finding their way. it was just Powell last year.
prospectively, the Raptors long term future looks solid. Short term prospects: a lot depends on whether or not Lowry and Carroll can come back and when they do come back how close to 100% they will be.
in the unlikely possibility that Lowry and Carroll can come back at 90%+ of their normal competency the Raptors will do better in the playoffs this year than last year. The only time i've seen Lowry healthy at the end of the year was the year they played Brooklyn. Every other year he is battling something that is hampering him noticeably. Carroll? who knows man.. i don't own a crystal ball.
Chances are, Lowry will be much less than 100% when he comes back and they'll win less than 10 playoff games this year. i don't think this team can withstand Lowry shooting like total garbage in the playoffs the way last year's team did because their defense is not as good.
less regular season wins.. less playoff wins.... = worse team than 2015-2016.
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On March 29 2017 04:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:my comments are just fine. Show nested quote +On March 29 2017 03:20 JimmiC wrote: Why are they worse, which players they have a worse? Is Ibaka worse then James Johnson? Is tucker worse then Tross? Have you been gushing over powell Nogeria and wright because they are worse? they are fun to watch. Raptors defense is not as good as last year. their offense is about the same. this comment takes into account that scoring is up across the NBA. retrospectively, the Raptors in 2016-2017 are worse because they have less wins. they used a lot younger players throughout the year much more often than last year. It seemed Casey//Management is sacrificing "win now" for the long term upside of their young still developing players. guys with no NBA experience got lots of playing time this year. Last year the Raptors handed out ~ 1000 minutes to guys with almost no NBA experience. This year that # went up to ~3200 minutes and climbing. And, i'm not talking about some #1 overall pick getting time. I'm talking long term project guys. Nogeira, Wright, VanVleet, Siakam, Poetl. all guys finding their way. prospectively, the Raptors long term future looks solid. Short term prospects: a lot depends on whether or not Lowry and Carroll can come back and when they do come back how close to 100% they will be. in the unlikely possibility that Lowry and Carroll can come back at 90%+ of their normal competency the Raptors will do better in the playoffs this year than last year. The only time i've seen Lowry healthy at the end of the year was the year they played Brooklyn. Every other year he is battling something that is hampering him noticeably. Carroll? who knows man.. i don't own a crystal ball. Chances are, Lowry will be much less than 100% when he comes back and they'll win less than 10 playoff games this year. less regular season wins.. less playoff wins.... = worse team than 2015-2016.
Their record is worse because they added two major pieces at the deadline. They are a better team heading into the playoffs this year then last year because there roster is better. That being said it depends on the health of Lowery compared to last year. If he is the same as he was they are better. If they finish 4th they will have a much harder route to the EC finals then they did last year this does not make them a worse team. I don't think record means what team is the best when the playoffs starts. Lots of record has to do with health, health of opponents when you play them and a ton of other factors. Standings are important but they are not all that you should look at.
But if you do want to only look at record then the 4 of the top 6 teams last year were in the west and by a large margin...
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Joseph's defense is terrible this year. Solid last year. JV and Powell are not playing as well last year as they did this year. You don't watch them so you would not know who is doing what.
Getting back to the Eastern Conference in general. The top 4 teams are going to want to avoid Miami if Waiters comes back. Miami is very tough to beat with him playing. I think Miami has the best shot of upsetting a top 4 team.
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On March 29 2017 05:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Joseph's defense is terrible this year. Solid last year. JV and Powell are not playing as well last year as they did this year. You don't watch them so you would not know who is doing what.
Getting back to the Eastern Conference in general. The top 4 teams are going to want to avoid Miami if Waiters comes back. Miami is very tough to beat with him playing. I think Miami has the best shot of upsetting a top 4 team.
I do watch them, we have been through this 5 times. I disagree on Powell I think he is better and JV around the same but getting less minutes.
With your theory on standings only mattering why even watch or discuss. Just check out standings at the end of the year and playoff results and that can tell you everything.
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The MRI on Waiters came back negative.
http://heatnation.com/team-news/miami-heat-news-dion-waiters-ankle-out-for-next-two-games/
first i heard it was a badly sprained ankle.
On March 29 2017 05:00 JimmiC wrote: Their record is worse because they added two major pieces at the deadline.
adding 2 players caused their record to be worse. ok.
i'll go with Nogeira, Wright, VanVleet, Siakam, Poetl getting 3200 minutes. That is why their record is worse and why they are a worse team. that and Corey Joseph`s defense is horrible this year. No idea what happened to him... but he sucks.
On March 29 2017 05:00 JimmiC wrote: If they finish 4th they will have a much harder route to the EC finals then they did last year this does not make them a worse team.
that's why teams trying to "win now" try to get as high a seed as possible in the regular season by winning more games. unless they don't have the "win now" mentality and they play a bunch of 21 year olds with little NBA experience for 3200+ minutes in order to help their long term development and sacrifice this year. the 2015-2016 team was in "win now" mode.
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On March 29 2017 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:The MRI on Waiters came back negative. http://heatnation.com/team-news/miami-heat-news-dion-waiters-ankle-out-for-next-two-games/first i heard it was a badly sprained ankle. Show nested quote +On March 29 2017 05:00 JimmiC wrote: Their record is worse because they added two major pieces at the deadline.
adding 2 players caused their record to be worse. ok. i'll go with Nogeira, Wright, VanVleet, Siakam, Poetl getting 3200 minutes. That is why their record is worse and why they are a worse team. that and Corey Joseph`s defense is horrible this year. No idea what happened to him... but he sucks. Show nested quote +On March 29 2017 05:00 JimmiC wrote: If they finish 4th they will have a much harder route to the EC finals then they did last year this does not make them a worse team.
that's why teams trying to "win now" try to get as high a seed as possible in the regular season by winning more games. unless they don't have the "win now" mentality and they play a bunch of 21 year olds with little NBA experience for 3200+ minutes in order to help their long term development and sacrifice this year. the 2015-2016 team was in "win now" mode.
It takes time for new players to players to gel, also I don't think it is that Ibaka and Tucker made them worse its probably that Lowery, their MIP has missed most of after the break.
As for the win now higher seeds so important. ROLF, have you not paid any attention to the big uproar about resting players? Teams care about making the playoffs they don't care ENOUGH about seeding so they rest players whenever they so choose. As usual your logic is extremely flawed. The real question is will you drop the "I watch 100% of the raptors games and you don't" (even though from past statements we know you don;t) or your other move of "change the target".
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going in circles? the Raptors didn't rest any one until they secured the 2nd seed.
if you are not basing a team's quality on wins and losses in the regular season and playoffs there is not much more to discuss. especially if ur claim is the team in question is in "win now" mode. i think the Lakers are the best team in the NBA they just don't feel like playing in June. That's when they all want to go golfing. Wins don't matter.
onto some other news. Joel Embiid had cartilage removed and no repairing and sewing of cartilage so his recovery should be fast. No repair/heal phase. full weight bearing in 2 weeks.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/sixers-joel-embiid-has-left-knee-surgery-to-remove-small-portion-of-meniscus/
now that Colangelo has been burned badly by the Philly media he is being very, very careful with every word he utters.
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Guess the spurs Cavs gsw are all not going for it Since they are not going for every win. You win again
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no, i am comparing the 2016 Raptors to the 2017 Raptors. 2 teams that do not rest their players. my comment is the Raptors are worse based on their performance and my evidence is their win totals in the regular season and playoffs. You stated regular season and playoff wins are invalid in comparing the 2 teams.
nothing more to discuss.
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Rockets ought to be embarrassed if they don't win this. 31 to 8 FTA discrepancy is hilarious.
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the Miami//Detroit game was a lot of fun to watch tonight. fun ending
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On March 29 2017 11:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote: no, i am comparing the 2016 Raptors to the 2017 Raptors. 2 teams that do not rest their players. my comment is the Raptors are worse based on their performance and my evidence is their win totals in the regular season and playoffs. You stated regular season and playoff wins are invalid in comparing the 2 teams.
nothing more to discuss. What amuses me is how often you say there is nothing more to discuss. Because for one thing you always continue to discuss that topic whether it is right away or I. The future, in fact this is the second time you've said it in this discussion! Secondly giving young players minutes does not mean you are not better then before if the young players are better options. And thirdly the record takes in the whole year not right now or the start of the post season. Assuming raps get lowery back their roster is better then last year. Tbh I'm not sure how you can argue otherwise and only in one of your many posts have you.
You basically stated that because in your opinion Powell jv and Joseph are worse(and I think most would say this is wrong) it out weighs the improvements of wright nog and the additions of Tucker and ibaka.
I think you would be super hard pressed to find any expert or even fan other then your self that would take last years roster over this one.
And none of this would even make your ridiculous parity statements close to accurate. I am done on this topic for now and unlike you i actually do stop when I say I am, or write a pm when I want the discussion there not peacock on the forum to try to trick people into thinking I'm being the bigger man.
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On March 29 2017 11:00 RowdierBob wrote: Rockets ought to be embarrassed if they don't win this. 31 to 8 FTA discrepancy is hilarious. Well GS are closing out really hard on the 3 pt line to try and shut that down (which worked), so it's not that surprising they gave up a lot more shooting fouls on drives, especially on guys like Lou and Harden.
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Holy fuck you're both terrible posters.
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How quickly does Pauls George get traded if Pacers miss playoffs? In fact I'm not even sure he's there next season even if they do limp over the line.
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On March 29 2017 12:12 RowdierBob wrote: How quickly does Pauls George get traded if Pacers miss playoffs? In fact I'm not even sure he's there next season even if they do limp over the line. I'm hoping Olshey might package our picks for PG. Just some positive thinking.
also, Nurkic > Jokic. dont @ me
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It depends. IMO he's one of the 100% useful players, in other words, on no team would he be redundant. However, I don't see the Pacers getting a great haul for him because of the rumors surrounding him moving on.
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He's pretty close to checking out. I don't see much improvement the pacers can make to that roster either. McMillan was a terrible choice as coach too.
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On March 29 2017 14:44 icystorage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2017 12:12 RowdierBob wrote: How quickly does Pauls George get traded if Pacers miss playoffs? In fact I'm not even sure he's there next season even if they do limp over the line. I'm hoping Olshey might package our picks for PG. Just some positive thinking. also, Nurkic > Jokic. dont @ me
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Harden versus Paul.
https://cornerthreehoops.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/why-chris-paul-is-a-better-mvp-candidate-than-james-harden/
just to add to this:
many major defense metrics places Paul as substantially better than Harden. Defensive Real Plus/Minus, Defensive Points Saved,Field-Goal Percentage Differential,On/Off Differential all have Harden as a bad defender and Paul as a good and sometimes elite defender.
i think the author loses information by factoring out of pace of play by going on "per 100 possesions" for offense. high pace of play can be an offensive weapon. Don't know how to fix that problem though. So I think his conclusions about Harden/Paul on offense are based on incomplete info.
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