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ZerOCoolSC2
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Browns pick rookie QB DeShone Kizer to start Saturday, eye trade for Brock Osweiler www.espn.com Brock Lobster has got to hate his life. | ||
vult
United States9386 Posts
On August 24 2017 05:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Show nested quote + Browns pick rookie QB DeShone Kizer to start Saturday, eye trade for Brock Osweiler www.espn.com Brock Lobster has got to hate his life. Depends on his own self-image. He got paid royally for a limited sample size, he should feel fortunate. Rumors are that the Colts could be where he lands since QB competition is sparse there w/o Luck. Then again, who the hell knows in this QB market where Brock is being shopped around but Kaep cant land a single gig, even on a practice squad. | ||
JimmiC
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Sermokala
United States13542 Posts
On August 24 2017 05:46 JimmiC wrote: I doubt kaep is willing to take the minimum. I think it is as much about his price/ability as it is his activism. I think teams are willing to sign him to a backup level contract but aren't willing to commit to him being the starting QB and the money appropriate to that. The activism isn't helping though. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
On August 25 2017 01:56 Sermokala wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2017 05:46 JimmiC wrote: I doubt kaep is willing to take the minimum. I think it is as much about his price/ability as it is his activism. I think teams are willing to sign him to a backup level contract but aren't willing to commit to him being the starting QB and the money appropriate to that. The activism isn't helping though. No, why would you take a player that has that media storm when you can take a equivalence for cheaper without it. I mean activism or not Kaep couldn't hold onto the starting job with a terrible niners team, people act like its a top 10 QB out of work when its like the 45th best QB out of work or something. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20445286/colin-kaepernick-not-good-enough-player-distraction | ||
Sermokala
United States13542 Posts
On August 25 2017 03:27 JimmiC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2017 01:56 Sermokala wrote: On August 24 2017 05:46 JimmiC wrote: I doubt kaep is willing to take the minimum. I think it is as much about his price/ability as it is his activism. I think teams are willing to sign him to a backup level contract but aren't willing to commit to him being the starting QB and the money appropriate to that. The activism isn't helping though. No, why would you take a player that has that media storm when you can take a equivalence for cheaper without it. I mean activism or not Kaep couldn't hold onto the starting job with a terrible niners team, people act like its a top 10 QB out of work when its like the 45th best QB out of work or something. I'd say hes probably top 10 QB free agent. thats not a very deep list with the ammount of people who are second and third stringers out there. the 49ers were collapseing and he played well before that when he was under harbough. I don't know what changed but a lot did and he probably would have a shot with another team if he kept his head down though. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
On August 25 2017 07:52 Sermokala wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2017 03:27 JimmiC wrote: On August 25 2017 01:56 Sermokala wrote: On August 24 2017 05:46 JimmiC wrote: I doubt kaep is willing to take the minimum. I think it is as much about his price/ability as it is his activism. I think teams are willing to sign him to a backup level contract but aren't willing to commit to him being the starting QB and the money appropriate to that. The activism isn't helping though. No, why would you take a player that has that media storm when you can take a equivalence for cheaper without it. I mean activism or not Kaep couldn't hold onto the starting job with a terrible niners team, people act like its a top 10 QB out of work when its like the 45th best QB out of work or something. I'd say hes probably top 10 QB free agent. thats not a very deep list with the ammount of people who are second and third stringers out there. the 49ers were collapseing and he played well before that when he was under harbough. I don't know what changed but a lot did and he probably would have a shot with another team if he kept his head down though. Rg3 hasnt, he played better then kaep at his best way better draft profile. Qbs that cant make it to a second read are not in high demand. Who wants to tailor an offense to your back up? | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
[QUOTE]On August 25 2017 07:52 Sermokala wrote: [QUOTE]On August 25 2017 03:27 JimmiC wrote: [QUOTE]On August 25 2017 01:56 Sermokala wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2017 05:46 JimmiC wrote: I doubt kaep is willing to take the minimum. I think it is as much about his price/ability as it is his activism. [/QUOTE] I think teams are willing to sign him to a backup level contract but aren't willing to commit to him being the starting QB and the money appropriate to that. The activism isn't helping though. [/QUOTE] No, why would you take a player that has that media storm when you can take a equivalence for cheaper without it. I mean activism or not Kaep couldn't hold onto the starting job with a terrible niners team, people act like its a top 10 QB out of work when its like the 45th best QB out of work or something.[/QUOTE] I'd say hes probably top 10 QB free agent. thats not a very deep list with the ammount of people who are second and third stringers out there. the 49ers were collapseing and he played well before that when he was under harbough. I don't know what changed but a lot did and he probably would have a shot with another team if he kept his head down though. [/QUOTE] Rg3 hasnt, he played better then kaep at his best way better draft profile. Qbs that cant make it to a second read are not in high demand. Who wants to tailor an offense to your back up? Wouldnt it be funny if he actually was just tired and lazy so thats why he sat, then some reporter was like " you protesting" and he was like "uh ya... Ya thats it!" | ||
andrewlt
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cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On August 25 2017 08:50 andrewlt wrote: He is easily good enough to get a job without the activism. He's just not good enough for teams to put up with the distraction. Meh. He's too niche a player to be a backup for most teams. That's the under rated part of the story. | ||
andrewlt
United States7645 Posts
On August 25 2017 09:17 cLutZ wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2017 08:50 andrewlt wrote: He is easily good enough to get a job without the activism. He's just not good enough for teams to put up with the distraction. Meh. He's too niche a player to be a backup for most teams. That's the under rated part of the story. Most teams don't really try to win with their backup. They give them a condensed part of the play book, play conservative, and hope they keep the score close enough so that they can pretend that they were trying to win. Somebody who can win games with his athleticism while operating the condensed play book is a good backup. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
On August 26 2017 01:09 andrewlt wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2017 09:17 cLutZ wrote: On August 25 2017 08:50 andrewlt wrote: He is easily good enough to get a job without the activism. He's just not good enough for teams to put up with the distraction. Meh. He's too niche a player to be a backup for most teams. That's the under rated part of the story. Most teams don't really try to win with their backup. They give them a condensed part of the play book, play conservative, and hope they keep the score close enough so that they can pretend that they were trying to win. Somebody who can win games with his athleticism while operating the condensed play book is a good backup. A team hoping to get a high draft pick doesnt want to win with their backup is true. A team going for the pkayoffs does, and wants to win every game they can till their starter is back. This is good cause not only can you make it to they playoffs, but if tge back up shows well you can often pick up a 2nd for that guy. Teams are often forced to use a condensed playbook. But it is not the strategy. The strat is to develope the back up to replace your starter and then eventually get a pick for him. More or less you want giraffealo not bricket | ||
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cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On August 26 2017 01:09 andrewlt wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2017 09:17 cLutZ wrote: On August 25 2017 08:50 andrewlt wrote: He is easily good enough to get a job without the activism. He's just not good enough for teams to put up with the distraction. Meh. He's too niche a player to be a backup for most teams. That's the under rated part of the story. Most teams don't really try to win with their backup. They give them a condensed part of the play book, play conservative, and hope they keep the score close enough so that they can pretend that they were trying to win. Somebody who can win games with his athleticism while operating the condensed play book is a good backup. Thats true if you are expecting your backup to have to play like 5 games (aka the season is lost anyways unless you can sign a real guy like Cutler/Romo), but most backups exist as a stopgap for a 1-2 game stretch where you hope you are playing against a bad team, or a team with an off night. Running a Kaep offense takes time for the rest of the team to adjust. So, yes, if Rodgers goes down with a broken Femur in Game 1, go and sign Kaep as his replacement. By Game 4 the Packers will probably be better than if whoever the random backup is was playing, but if its week 12 and Rodgers has a concussion so hes out week 13 & 14, and the Pack needs to go 1-1 in those games to stay ahead of the Vikings, Kaep is a terrible option. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
i thought Newton had a torn labrum.. but i guess not. http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/quarterbacks/sd-sp-pfd-andrew-luck-surgery-shoulder-throwing-camp-0616-story.html "Newton’s recovery does not involve waiting for tissue regrowth." In baseball, the torn labrum was a career ender until Chris Carpenter recovered from it in 2002. Currently, Most pitchers are able to throw off a mound and play competitively 6 months after surgery. It took Carpenter about 18 months to regain all the speed on his fastball and I think that's how it is now for pitchers. 18 months for a full recovery. So Andrew Luck will probably fully recover. However, its a long road to recovery. | ||
andrewlt
United States7645 Posts
On August 26 2017 04:17 cLutZ wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2017 01:09 andrewlt wrote: On August 25 2017 09:17 cLutZ wrote: On August 25 2017 08:50 andrewlt wrote: He is easily good enough to get a job without the activism. He's just not good enough for teams to put up with the distraction. Meh. He's too niche a player to be a backup for most teams. That's the under rated part of the story. Most teams don't really try to win with their backup. They give them a condensed part of the play book, play conservative, and hope they keep the score close enough so that they can pretend that they were trying to win. Somebody who can win games with his athleticism while operating the condensed play book is a good backup. Thats true if you are expecting your backup to have to play like 5 games (aka the season is lost anyways unless you can sign a real guy like Cutler/Romo), but most backups exist as a stopgap for a 1-2 game stretch where you hope you are playing against a bad team, or a team with an off night. Running a Kaep offense takes time for the rest of the team to adjust. So, yes, if Rodgers goes down with a broken Femur in Game 1, go and sign Kaep as his replacement. By Game 4 the Packers will probably be better than if whoever the random backup is was playing, but if its week 12 and Rodgers has a concussion so hes out week 13 & 14, and the Pack needs to go 1-1 in those games to stay ahead of the Vikings, Kaep is a terrible option. That's where I disagree with you. If Rodgers goes out for week 13 & 14, and you have a pocket passer like one of the McCown brothers that you are only allowing to make short, conservative throws, you aren't winning those games. Better to have somebody like Kaep who can tuck it in and get yards scrambling. In fact, I think athletic quarterbacks make the best stopgaps. It's easy to install those kinds of offenses. It's easy to run. You don't have to open the playbook. It's terrible against opponents that have time to game plan specifically for it. Think of how many wins the wildcat, Kaep, RG3 and even the likes of Vince Young and Tebow produced before they got figured out. It's the perfect stopgap for teams whose starter has a minor injury. And you don't have to worry about them lasting a full season since they are backups anyway. | ||
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