On the MLG live on 3 Stream, iNcontrol stated that he will be going to Korea to compete in GSL 3.
The scene of the announcement! From left to right: djWHEAT, iNcontrol, Inka, Sir Scoots the owner of EG (?)
I love iNcontrol to death, both as a player and person, but does he really stand a chance at even qualifying? Or perhaps is he just going there for kicks?
Or maybe, just maybe he is trolling us all very hard. Alternatively, he may be very drunk.
I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget.
On November 08 2010 14:35 Bear4188 wrote: There is nothing I want to see more than for Incontrol to qualify and to see his hulk form in a GSL booth scaring Korean children.
On November 08 2010 14:33 tok wrote: I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget.
On November 08 2010 14:26 Trebis wrote: I can't wait to see him in the player booth. He'll be like a bear inside a clown car.
ROFL
I posted this in the SOTG thread.
I remember that one podcast where iNcontroL commented that if he does qualify and performs well in a GSL, he wants to break the stereotypical Korean/Asian answers to interviews. If they ask him what he will do with the money he responded "airplanes and cars". And if the interviewer ask what about his parents, iNcontroL replied, "Oh, they have their own money". LOOOL
Kiwikaki at GSL 3 qualifiers? Sick. I'm guessing he must have saved up a good amount of money since Root-Gaming doesn't have big name sponsors like other teams.
Oh joy, another foreigner not to qualify. Not trying to insult Incontrol, but I've yet to be impressed with his game sense or his mechanics or his strategies. The only thing I like about the guy is his humor.
I never really was a fan of Incontrol in BW because it was just better to watch pro Koreans with my time instead, but I'll be rooting for him in the GSL simply because he's a foreigner. GL Incontrol!
On November 08 2010 14:26 FunnelC4kes wrote: They're going to need a bigger booth.
Also was this by chance a slightly changed quote from the game Blood?
Incontrol been doing pretty well at MLG for what its worth. He has gone pretty far in the losers bracket in each of the tournments. If he gets a easy bracket, or steps his game up a bit. Seeing him in the RO64 does not seem out of reach.
Liquid is happy to announce that starting this month their European lineup will once again boast the presence of Dario "TLO" Wunsch. TLO will leave for Germany after returning to Korea from MLG Dallas and from his home town of Leipzig will represent Liquid at both continental and international events. Although a move that may come as a surprise to many, TLO's change of residence is a personal decision and one that the team stands behind.
Beartoss up in GSL3's MAW! The foreigner list looks really impressive, some names who I didn't expect going to be there. Select & Kiwikaki for examples.
Incontrol is a great replacement for TLO as one of my favourite foreign player personalities. I will definitely wake up early to watch all his games. And definitely get a HD pass to watch all the games that I can't in VOD's if 4 or more foreigners qualify.
Um, EG wasting money? If their sponsors are willing to support the team, then why not fly them out to Korea to compete? If they had no intention of competing at all, then they should have closed the team as a whole.
I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
On November 08 2010 14:51 dcemuser wrote: I'm surprised nobody mentioned this... but the most EPIC part of this is going to be if he makes it and ARTOSIS commentates his matches.
Oh, sweet, sweet revenge.
Here's hoping for a "Who is Incontrol?" discussion before Incontrol gets steamrolle by [insert Korean pro we've never heard of's name]
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
And look how he didn't qualify three times. XD Still, it'll certainly improve his play, but flying there then competing in a tournament shortly thereafter does not a top player make.
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player.
As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds.
If Tester, Genius, Sangho, oGsInca have trouble, how do you think it's going to be for a player like incontrol?
iNcontrol will probably not go far his first GSL event but I think he definitely has the potential to kick some shit in. His Protoss play has been constantly evolving and changing, and he will finally be away from all the distractions that he has to play around for better or for worse. He has a girlfriend and he has his coaching plus his weightlifting (idk how active he is in that) as well as mods on TL. You can't act like that doesn't really cut into a lot of his practice time.
Conclusion: I wanna see a TLO sized iNcontrol when he comes back from Korea. He should be practicing THAT much SCII
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player.
As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds.
I'd like to argue that there just aren't any good Protoss/the good ones have tough brackets. The top three had really tough brackets( Tester, ogsMC, and that guy who won Blizzcon who's name I forgot), all lost relatively quickly with Tester not eve qualifying.
Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow....
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player.
As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds.
I'd like to argue that there just aren't any good Protoss/the good ones have tough brackets. The top three had really tough brackets( Tester, ogsMC, and that guy who won Blizzcon who's name I forgot), all lost relatively quickly with Tester not eve qualifying.
People can look for any type of argument they want, but the bottom line is in s1 there were 3 protoss in the ro8, zero advanced. In s2 there were 3 protoss in the ro16, 1 advanced to the ro8, and then did not advance any further.
It's ok to see if people got unlucky or had bad showings or what not, but you shouldn't disregard the fact that the koreans may just be better at dealing with protoss and exploiting whatever weaknesses it may have.
On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow....
That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor?
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player.
As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds.
I'd like to argue that there just aren't any good Protoss/the good ones have tough brackets. The top three had really tough brackets( Tester, ogsMC, and that guy who won Blizzcon who's name I forgot), all lost relatively quickly with Tester not eve qualifying.
People can look for any type of argument they want, but the bottom line is in s1 there were 3 protoss in the ro8, zero advanced. In s2 there were 3 protoss in the ro16, 1 advanced to the ro8, and then did not advance any further.
It's ok to see if people got unlucky or had bad showings or what not, but you shouldn't disregard the fact that the koreans may just be better at dealing with protoss and exploiting whatever weaknesses it may have.
Totally. But I think Protoss is also one of the most closed off races. You rarely see deviance from gateway units>Robo units> Templar units. So dealing with them becomes significantly easier as you can effectively blind counter them.
On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow....
That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor?
Would seeding matter? All the new foreigners would be unseeded and face against seeded people anyway.
On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow....
That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor?
Would seeding matter? All the new foreigners would be unseeded and face against seeded people anyway.
Yeah, I suppose. Still some more organization would be nice.
On November 08 2010 14:33 tok wrote: I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget.
That would mean that we wouldn't need GSL and would have a pro-scene of our own...which judging by the increasing interest in e-sport in the west may not be as far as some people think.
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player.
As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds.
If Tester, Genius, Sangho, oGsInca have trouble, how do you think it's going to be for a player like incontrol?
Qualifying for GSL is so luck-based.
Single Elimination Best of threes tell you next to nothing about player skill (See: Fruitdealer vs FoxeR and IdrA vs LotzePrime and Tester and Julyzerg losing in qualifiers).
On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow....
100% agree. And Fruitdealer, Foxer, Clide, Rainbow, and Tester could all end up in the same bracket, giving a lot of other people 'free' tickets into the tournament.
On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow....
That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor?
The entire point of these first 3 seasons is to create the seeds for the real tournament that hasn't happened yet. Anyone who makes it to the round of 8 each season is seeded for the big tournament.
I think the only thing separating Koreans from foreigners in SC2 is the amount of time they each put into the game, and how much the team concept really means for Koreans. If he can go there and work his fucking ass off, I think he can qualify. Look at Jinro. Prior to this MLG people thought he was just a chump compared to people like Idra. Give him the standard Korean practice regiment and he comes to the US and rips things up.
TLDR: Fuck the naysayers. Geoff, work your ass off and get shit done man.
On November 08 2010 14:26 Trebis wrote: I can't wait to see him in the player booth. He'll be like a bear inside a clown car.
ROFL
I posted this in the SOTG thread.
I remember that one podcast where iNcontroL commented that if he does qualify and performs well in a GSL, he wants to break the stereotypical Korean/Asian answers to interviews. If they ask him what he will do with the money he responded "airplanes and cars". And if the interviewer ask what about his parents, iNcontroL replied, "Oh, they have their own money". LOOOL
Kiwikaki at GSL 3 qualifiers? Sick. I'm guessing he must have saved up a good amount of money since Root-Gaming doesn't have big name sponsors like other teams.
I thought KiWi did pretty good for himself? Didn't he buy into the last WSOP? That costs $10k.
I missed the video, but I think if Geoff can spend more time playing and less time coaching, I think it'll help his game. I'm very confused because he just started having the gosucoaching coach's corner, and seems to be increasing his responsibilities as a coach. I wonder if this was planned for awhile or an offer that was extended during the tournament.
On November 08 2010 14:26 Trebis wrote: I can't wait to see him in the player booth. He'll be like a bear inside a clown car.
ROFL
I posted this in the SOTG thread.
I remember that one podcast where iNcontroL commented that if he does qualify and performs well in a GSL, he wants to break the stereotypical Korean/Asian answers to interviews. If they ask him what he will do with the money he responded "airplanes and cars". And if the interviewer ask what about his parents, iNcontroL replied, "Oh, they have their own money". LOOOL
Kiwikaki at GSL 3 qualifiers? Sick. I'm guessing he must have saved up a good amount of money since Root-Gaming doesn't have big name sponsors like other teams.
I thought KiWi did pretty good for himself? Didn't he buy into the last WSOP? That costs $10k.
On November 08 2010 14:26 Trebis wrote: I can't wait to see him in the player booth. He'll be like a bear inside a clown car.
ROFL
I posted this in the SOTG thread.
I remember that one podcast where iNcontroL commented that if he does qualify and performs well in a GSL, he wants to break the stereotypical Korean/Asian answers to interviews. If they ask him what he will do with the money he responded "airplanes and cars". And if the interviewer ask what about his parents, iNcontroL replied, "Oh, they have their own money". LOOOL
Kiwikaki at GSL 3 qualifiers? Sick. I'm guessing he must have saved up a good amount of money since Root-Gaming doesn't have big name sponsors like other teams.
I thought KiWi did pretty good for himself? Didn't he buy into the last WSOP? That costs $10k.
It'll be cool to see whether he qualifies or not, I really hope he does. Honestly though, even if he doesn't, it'll be an awesome experience and I'm sure he'll have a blast. Always good to have foreigners going to compete in Korea!! GL!!! Don't intimidate them too much
GSL3 is going to have so many more foreigners playing than the previous ones! Can't wait to see how many of them are going to qualify. I'm especially excited about both top american Protoss players participating.
On November 08 2010 14:26 Trebis wrote: I can't wait to see him in the player booth. He'll be like a bear inside a clown car.
ROFL
I posted this in the SOTG thread.
I remember that one podcast where iNcontroL commented that if he does qualify and performs well in a GSL, he wants to break the stereotypical Korean/Asian answers to interviews. If they ask him what he will do with the money he responded "airplanes and cars". And if the interviewer ask what about his parents, iNcontroL replied, "Oh, they have their own money". LOOOL
Kiwikaki at GSL 3 qualifiers? Sick. I'm guessing he must have saved up a good amount of money since Root-Gaming doesn't have big name sponsors like other teams.
Pretty sure Kiwikaki won't be having any money troubles anytime soon unless he suddenly decides he needs all his things coated in platinum.
This is pretty awesome news, the more foreigners we can get to GSL3 the better. The more quality players that show up to the event, the better the chances that we can get more qualified.
Unfortunately though, because of the way the qualifiers work (ie: a lottery), you can get an easy bracket all the way through or you could meet Foxer in the first round =/
My ultimate dream would be for a Foreigner Protoss to go stomping in the GSL. And there's a chance! HuK, Kiwikaki, now Incontrol... someone survive past Ro64, PLEASE! That would be awesomz.
The more foreigners, the rougher it's gonna get for most of them. I don't see more than 4 or 5 (including the Chinese and Sen) qualifying for the R064. It has to be rough moving to Korea to be a b-teamer when you're used to being a minor celebrity back in your home country. Harsh but true. Jinro didn't do too bad at the MLG but atm he's a b-teamer in Korea and has yet to qualify for the GSL...
On November 08 2010 16:01 kmkg wrote: The more foreigners, the rougher it's gonna get for most of them. I don't see more than 4 or 5 (including the Chinese and Sen) qualifying for the R064. It has to be rough moving to Korea to be a b-teamer when you're used to being a minor celebrity back in your home country. Harsh but true. Jinro didn't do too bad at the MLG but atm he's a b-teamer in Korea and has yet to qualify for the GSL...
On November 08 2010 16:01 kmkg wrote: The more foreigners, the rougher it's gonna get for most of them. I don't see more than 4 or 5 (including the Chinese and Sen) qualifying for the R064. It has to be rough moving to Korea to be a b-teamer when you're used to being a minor celebrity back in your home country. Harsh but true. Jinro didn't do too bad at the MLG but atm he's a b-teamer in Korea and has yet to qualify for the GSL...
Didn't TLO say Jinro is on the A-team?
Jinro was on the a-team until before the patch, he's since been demoted to the b-team. Jinro said as much during an interview at the MLG.
On November 08 2010 14:33 tok wrote: I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget.
You do realise FoxeR is an ex-Brood War pro player and the last time I checked, he was also rank #1 on the Korean ladder.
I think everyone is making a grave error if they think someone like Incontrol can't qualify for GSL. The qualification system is vulnerable to wild bracket mishaps--TESTER DIDN'T QUALIFY?! WHAT?!
Consider how terrible some of the ro64 games were in both seasons, I think Incontrol has a fantastic chance at qualifying, and CERTAINLY of becoming a much better player regardless.
Didn't you understand from that interview, sounds like Geoff is going out of his own pocket this time. If EG wanted to send the team, they'd probably send Axslav, Machine, LZ as well. And by the way that scoots seemed to be responding to geoff it seemed like they were obviously going to help him have a place to stay (tasteless/idra) but I don't think this is out of EG's money.
Not to mention EG is insanely rich, they're like the 2nd richest foreign esports team, if sponsors are willing to drop the bucks why not expand.
My opinion is iNcontroL will have a tough time making it out of his GSL qualifier bracket if he gets anyone average or good. EG players have had tough times making it out of 128, 256, 512 man tournaments that are mostly full of average to bad players, and if he's thrown into GSL where he doesn't know ANY opponents, let alone if they're good or bad, or what their playstyles are or builds, I just find it very hard to see him in RO64 without a cake bracket.
On November 08 2010 14:26 Trebis wrote: I can't wait to see him in the player booth. He'll be like a bear inside a clown car.
ROFL
I posted this in the SOTG thread.
I remember that one podcast where iNcontroL commented that if he does qualify and performs well in a GSL, he wants to break the stereotypical Korean/Asian answers to interviews. If they ask him what he will do with the money he responded "airplanes and cars". And if the interviewer ask what about his parents, iNcontroL replied, "Oh, they have their own money". LOOOL
Kiwikaki at GSL 3 qualifiers? Sick. I'm guessing he must have saved up a good amount of money since Root-Gaming doesn't have big name sponsors like other teams.
I thought KiWi did pretty good for himself? Didn't he buy into the last WSOP? That costs $10k.
Yeah its pretty well known kiwi is well off from poker, but I didn't know he bought into WSOP or was announced to go to gsl, where is th eofficial announcement? I think he has a chance at RO64.
On November 08 2010 16:01 Tekin wrote: Why don't they just send the whole EG lineup for GSL 3?
Once again, I don't think EG is sending incontrol here, by the way he worded the statement, i think he said "eg plans on doing it later, but i thought why not go check it out for myself first"
seems to me like he's been saving up, and is going out of pocket for the flight.
I doubt he'll qualify, but there's always the decent chance of getting an easy bracket. I don't believe he can compete on any significant level at the GSL though.
Like IdrA said, it all depends on the bracket... if he plays NaDa or BoxeR (or the fake BoxeR) or FruitDealer or any of the other ro32 or better Koreans I don't think he would make it, but who knows. The rate of improvement of the Koreans is amazing... let's not forget that NesTea had only been playing for like 2 weeks at GSL1 and now, a scant few weeks later, has gone on to be undefeated and win the whole thing.
On November 08 2010 15:59 Antoine wrote: honestly incontrol has about as much of a chance of getting through qualifiers as artosis i'd love for him to prove me wrong, though
artosis was in ro64 for gsl1, its entirely possible
On November 08 2010 16:33 DooMDash wrote: Weather or not he makes it to the round of 64 I'll cheer my fellow American on. Go iNControl.
this, in the end the WORST it could possibly be for iNControl is a learning experience. Just give a fellow American some support regardless of the outcome.
Didn't you understand from that interview, sounds like Geoff is going out of his own pocket this time. If EG wanted to send the team, they'd probably send Axslav, Machine, LZ as well.
I'm a big fan of Lz, and would love to see him perform well, but until he stops macroing like he did in bw, I don't think he has any reason to go to Korea. Still, I'll root my ass off for him if he goes!
Honestly, it's hard to tell how he will do but I expect him to get better ten fold when it goes to Korea because of the lifestyle and players around him over there compared to the US.
On November 08 2010 15:46 Paradice wrote: My ultimate dream would be for a Foreigner Protoss to go stomping in the GSL. And there's a chance! HuK, Kiwikaki, now Incontrol... someone survive past Ro64, PLEASE! That would be awesomz.
It certainly be awesome if a canadian protoss (kiwikaki or huk) and boxer makes it to the finals, it'd be like history repeating itself (Grrr vs Boxer)
Didn't you understand from that interview, sounds like Geoff is going out of his own pocket this time. If EG wanted to send the team, they'd probably send Axslav, Machine, LZ as well.
I'm a big fan of Lz, and would love to see him perform well, but until he stops macroing like he did in bw, I don't think he has any reason to go to Korea. Still, I'll root my ass off for him if he goes!
I agree, Lz's macro hits more road bumps than any other EG player, that said he is smart about creative builds and smart adapting, and his 3rd place finish at the vT open is more than any other EG player can put their hands on except Axslav who got 1st place in that same open (Socke got 2nd place), or Machine who got 6th plcae at MLG today and got top 4 at one of the ESL qualifiers obviously.
iNcontroL hasn't really done any tournaments at all, which is probably out of his own option, but just from watching in-house practices, Axslav and Lz are definitely the two strongest, prior to the most recent patch. Where Strifecro and Machine started doing better (albeit they don't play as many in-houses as they used to).
The qualifier for GSL2 was much harder than GSL1, and it is expected that the overall player skill level in GSL3 prelims will have jumped even higher this time than it did between 1/2.
On November 08 2010 17:09 Rekrul wrote: The qualifier for GSL2 was much harder than GSL1, and it is expected that the overall player skill level in GSL3 prelims will have jumped even higher this time than it did between 1/2.
Good luck to incontrol regardless.
agreed. I can only see like 15% or heck even less than that to make it to Ro64
Competition will be VERY heavy as every GSL goes by
On November 08 2010 17:09 Rekrul wrote: The qualifier for GSL2 was much harder than GSL1, and it is expected that the overall player skill level in GSL3 prelims will have jumped even higher this time than it did between 1/2.
Good luck to incontrol regardless.
agreed. I can only see like 15% or heck even less than that to make it to Ro64
Competition will be VERY heavy as every GSL goes by
No doubt... I would love to see some non Koreans regularly placing on the top 8 but, overall, the Koreans have been pulling ahead since GSL 1 ended. Team houses and structured practice sessions with veteran coaching go a long way.
On November 08 2010 16:39 TypeFake wrote: It's cool and all to think of inc going to participate in GSL 3, but westerners haven't met much success in that tournament.
Also, wtb bigger booths for inc. Human grizzly bear.
Oh man, I didn't even think of that. I would love to see this giant man in a tiny booth.
I agree with most of what has been said here, and that's "Good luck! You're going to need it..."
I think to do decently in GSL 3, you're going to need to be either extremely, extremely lucky, or be something special of a player. iNcontrol is a pro, and a very good player...but as far as elite SC2 goes, I don't think he's strong enough.
As Idra said in the last sotg it is heavily luck dependand if someone qualifies or not. He said himself that ge got easy qualifier brackets so far but If you have top players in those allready then you will have a tough time.
Just take a look at Jinro who didnt qualify 2 times. Hes said to be a monster in practice with a remarkable variety in his gameplay. Or Tester, who is one of the most solid macro Protosses and did exceptional in gsl 1, but didnt qualify for gsl 2. There is actually a huge list of very good players (TOP etc etc) that didnt qualify.
But I think he has a good chance if he can adapt to the korean style progaming environment.
What seems to be a reasonable prediction should be to have a list of GSL1 and 2 ro64 participants. What I remember is that less than half were able to qualify for GSL2. So we might even see a few of gsl 1 and 2 make it to the next gsl.
It's a very good environment and experience regardless of qualifications, at least it seems that way from what I can tell. If I had the chance to go to Korea and play I would do it just for the experience and I am by no means half as good as iNcontrol.
I would love to see him do well, but hope he has a great time either way ^^,
Wasnt there a thread about him being badluck because he has to face 'strong' NA players at the MLG? I have no doubt he wont make it through the prelims.
On November 08 2010 17:36 zonic wrote: Wasnt there a thread about him being badluck because he has to face 'strong' NA players at the MLG? I have no doubt he wont make it through the prelims.
On November 08 2010 17:29 clickrush wrote: As Idra said in the last sotg it is heavily luck dependand if someone qualifies or not. He said himself that ge got easy qualifier brackets so far but If you have top players in those allready then you will have a tough time.
Just take a look at Jinro who didnt qualify 2 times. Hes said to be a monster in practice with a remarkable variety in his gameplay. Or Tester, who is one of the most solid macro Protosses and did exceptional in gsl 1, but didnt qualify for gsl 2. There is actually a huge list of very good players (TOP etc etc) that didnt qualify.
But I think he has a good chance if he can adapt to the korean style progaming environment.
I hope for InControl's sake he says out there for a couple of seasons. If he doesn't qualify in his first season there's no reason to pack it, cause like you said it's partially based on the the luck of the draw.
Glad to see more foreigners goto the gsl. Incontrol hasn't achieved anything notable in the international scene so logically speaking i don't really think he will have what it takes for korea ;/ Good luck tho
I hope he stays and does well also, although it's yet to be seen in 2011 if the same open format will still be as active in every tournament. I think maybe only a few will be open tournaments, but not sure.
why the doubters? players like tlo and idra have played in the gsl and had some success yet lose to players in mlg consistently. what makes it so different? stop being so racist by saying whites cant play sc2. its sickening.
Hope to see incontrol at least get far enough for a winner's interview, cuz i'd love to see him break the stereotypical korean interview answers haha :D
On November 08 2010 17:48 Effen wrote: why the doubters? players like tlo and idra have played in the gsl and had some success yet lose to players in mlg consistently. what makes it so different? stop being so racist by saying whites cant play sc2. its sickening.
TLO and IdrA are flat out better than InControl. Ain't got no thang with being white.
sure its likely that he wont qualify like thousands of others .but hey maybe he gets a good bracket and does it. also what does he have to lose, hes a sc player why not go for gsl?
best of luck and itll be hilaarious to see the monster incontrol next to all the tiny koreans. theyll throw their games against him out of pure fear :D
Congrats and best of luck in your future GSL qualifications. I really enjoy Incontrol's sense of humor and insight in the SotG podcast. Maybe his moving over could be signaling the start of the Evil Geniuses Team House in Korea that Tasteless was talking about.
as long as he dont not have to play dance dance revolution he will do good. the next gsl will be much more fun with more foreigners. really starts to become a global league. sweeeeeeet news!!!!!!!!!
On November 08 2010 20:20 adeezy wrote: Good Luck to incontrol, i hope Nony makes the trip out to as well. Team liquid has some strong partners in OGs
What about the TLO news i was somewhat hearing about. Not going to say what because it mightve been a troll chat rumor.
Nony is married and won't be leaving the US for month long tourneys. TLO is returning to Germany to be with friends and family and represent TL in Europe.
with that impressive list of foreigners in GSL3 i can't wait to see a decent number of them perform well. so please everyone, practice damn hard so we see a nice foreigner line up in GSL3! can't wait <3
Good luck to iNControL! I would love to see him in Ro64, unfortunately the curse has been switched to iNControL from Machine, and Jaedong will be in his bracket.
Any other EG members going as well? Wasn't there some news of them building an EG house in Korea? Seems like just a waste for two/three people to live in.
I support u incontrol. If you really practice and try hard I think you will see results soon to follow. Foreigners need to really give this a shot. Close the gap as much as we can! FIGHTING!
Isn't Select korean but studying in the US? So that still makes him Korean or am I wrong? But still nice that we have so many known players trying to qualify for the GSL. But even if they qualify it'll be very hard for them to get ro8 and get S code. Only Idra if he manages to qualify again would have the highest chance of obtaining S code. Anyone else that qualifies is probably going to be A code.
The more foreigners that play the better. In fact, I REALLY want a foreigner to win GSL. I think if the foreign presence in Korean tournaments is high, then maybe Korean players will feel more apt to come play in American/European tournaments.
Is awesome to see that many foreigners attending to GSL. I'd like to see more tourneys outside Korean, and koreans attending those tourneys, would be good.
My best words of advice for iNcontroL, if you start to lose to an Asian player just say this, "No one's gunna fuck on you. We're on your side. I hate Godzilla, I hate him too, I hate him, he destroys cities!" Then proceed to get them some pants.
On November 08 2010 21:50 shannn wrote: Isn't Select korean but studying in the US? So that still makes him Korean or am I wrong? But still nice that we have so many known players trying to qualify for the GSL. But even if they qualify it'll be very hard for them to get ro8 and get S code. Only Idra if he manages to qualify again would have the highest chance of obtaining S code. Anyone else that qualifies is probably going to be A code.
if i am not mistaken his parents have moved to america as well, so i guess he's a permanent resident of the states.
Good luck if it's true, who knows, he may win it and give the winning interview... I can't wait for the "what are you going to do with your prize money?"
Im all for supporting western players in Korea, so I really hope he will do well
However, I feel that the best hopes for foreigners lie in the people consistently coming top 8 in our tornaments - and he isnt quite there yet based on his actual results.
Still, if he puts in the practice and obviously has great experience of LAN environments I see no reason he cannot become good enough to at least qualify. He does need to improve a fair bit, I feel, having watched the replays of MLg events I dont think you can say he was unlucky or cheated to not finish higher there.
But regardless of that, so what..... All props to him and EG for getting players out there...it is their money and his time/life, and they already have IdrA out there, so its not like he is depriving any better players the chance of entering - therefore all the best luck!
lol @all the ppl dissin InControl. He has a fair chance of making it to ro64 at least, he's much better then allot who made it in the first 2 seasons, all depends what bracket he gets. Great experience either way.
Doubt he can get past RO64 in his current shape. Alot can happen with a few months in Korea if he manages to get similar training conditions to TeamLiquid if he gets alot of volume in. GL
I hope he was just trolling , or he was really drunk or something. It's good to see more and more foreigners going to Korea. But he'll really need a really really lucky bracket to qualify. I'd suppose Idra having some teammates to practice with in Korea is a good thing tho.
On November 09 2010 00:51 blubbdavid wrote: Someone tell me how many GSL's there are in a year?
(I know, the above sentence would make Shakespear puke his testicles)
GSL3 will be the last for 2010. Then the 'real' tournament start with S class / A Class players etc. Don't think they have announced the exact format for 2011 yet.
I think in 2011 there will be 4 "gsl's" but a best of ladder world tournament and some other ones equalling out to a tourney per month. And think A class will compete with qualifying players for a rank spot and S competes with A to keep their spot. There's a thread somewhere with all the info
yo incontrol is nasty. he happened to get knocked out by two really good players. he can do really well at GSL, i think. RO32 id bet. he can totally qualify, and he'll improve stupidly fast in korea
On November 09 2010 01:23 Boonbag wrote: Any experienced and skilled ex bw top foreigner should give it a serious shot.
You all understimate also the fear factor that carries playing against a foreigner for a very young Korean player.
This. Keep in mind, the characteristics of starcraft 2 really plays in favor to InC's play style, particularly in a series of games. Mind games, man, mind games. I'll be rooting for big bear, that's for sure (might actually pay that 20 bucks).
On November 09 2010 01:35 Sfydjklm wrote: incontrol is a guaranteed success in korea. Even if he fails at GSL he can always become the Korean BOB SAPUUUUUU
actually this looks much better than gsl
fuck sc2
edit : AS IN Geoff should do this if he fails at gsl... god you're slow. Maybe read few posts above ?
On November 09 2010 01:23 Boonbag wrote: Any experienced and skilled ex bw top foreigner should give it a serious shot.
You all understimate also the fear factor that carries playing against a foreigner for a very young Korean player.
This. Keep in mind, the characteristics of starcraft 2 really plays in favor to InC's play style, particularly in a series of games. Mind games, man, mind games. I'll be rooting for big bear, that's for sure (might actually pay that 20 bucks).
Keep in mind this in incontrol ,the man who switched to protoss because zerg was hard and protoss "rewards creativity". He then proceeds to 3 gate robo or hidden in base pylon 4 warpgate every single streamed game during the beta
For me any news of more non-korean players heading to Seol to try their luck at the offline qualifiers are always good news.
Making GSL stand for its name and make it as "Global" as possible will make it spread its horizons towards different types of viewers. Having more North American players showing up there reeforcing the group that already tried GSL 1 and GSL 2 will be good for us all, non-Koreans, aswell as for the Korean fans that always had a thing for those so called "exoctic" players playing there.
Goos luck for iNcontrol and all the others attempting to get into the RO64 for GSL 3
incontrol is one of the most underestimated players imo. I honestly think that if he trains right he has a definite chance at one of those S-class spots. Will be rootin for him !
iNcontrol is one of my favourite players personality-wise. I would love to see him qualify and win at least his Ro64 interview just to see his interview with Artosis.
+More chinese players? +More EG? +Someone I forgot? (Sjow is @ dreamhack, so is TLO)
TOTAL: At least 15½ (SeleCT)
Even though Sjow is playing in dreamhack, he said he was going over for GSL3. The opportunity to go to korea doesn' thappen often. Not to mention doesn't dreamhack happen between RO64 and RO32 just like Idra said, he's going to both.
+More chinese players? +More EG? +Someone I forgot? (Sjow is @ dreamhack, so is TLO)
TOTAL: At least 15½ (SeleCT)
Even though Sjow is playing in dreamhack, he said he was going over for GSL3. The opportunity to go to korea doesn' thappen often. Not to mention doesn't dreamhack happen between RO64 and RO32 just like Idra said, he's going to both.
You guys are hilarious sometimes at how you determine who is a "good player" based on if they qualified or not. You guys do know that some guy named Tester, who's a pretty good protoss, didn't qualify for GSL2 right? Does that make him a bad player as well?
On November 08 2010 23:21 ELESSAR wrote: Any chance Noony/Tyler will fly to Korea
No, he was already there and had enough.
Yes for BW, to join a pro team. It's quite different from going to Korea for a single tournament.
A month-long tournament. That's a long vacation.
Anyway, this isn't speculation. He said more or less this on Lo3: that if he were single and entirely unattached to anything and anyone in the US, he'd probably go; that he's not in that situation; and that he's happy with the life and family he has right now, which are more important to him than playing in the GSL.
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On November 09 2010 03:25 JinNJuice wrote: You guys are hilarious sometimes at how you determine who is a "good player" based on if they qualified or not. You guys do know that some guy named Tester, who's a pretty good protoss, didn't qualify for GSL2 right? Does that make him a bad player as well?
No, you're getting confused. They're not judging how good a player is by how well he does in GSL prelims. They're judging how well a player will do in prelims by how good they think he is. Not saying I agree with them, but that's what they're doing.
happy to hear this, incontrol is a great player and will definitely qualify. also hes the personality that is needed in the worlds largest sc2 tourny. looking foward to winner interviews with artosis and tasteless
Always nice to see foreigners try to do something in Korea. GL Incontrol. Hope for some ro64, although I am not sure if it is possible. The GSL3 will be very hard to qualify for, I guess
This is great! Gl Hf, fellow Oregonian, so I hope you win. Having watched the last 2 Gsl's and seen the players in the top rounds makes me not feel so good .
P.S. He will look like the Incontrolable Hulk inside one of those gaming booths.
I like iNcontroL as much as the next guy, but without a top 10 in any MLG, I don't know how successful he's going to be over in Korea. IdrA said it best I think when he mentioned how the practice mentality is different for Koreans and foreigners. The Koreans can afford to practice 10 hours a day because Starcraft is literally all they do for a living. The foreigners on the other hand have to work jobs to support themselves meaning that they can only practice for 4-5 hours a day. That's a big disadvantage.
obviously it will really depend on the bracket too get into the round of 64. IdrA commented on how hard some of the brackets are vs others. If he gets to the round of 64 i think that will be a big enough confidence boost for him to perform well. It really depends on his play style. Americans play different then Koreans and that can work for or against him.
On November 09 2010 03:23 Sqq wrote: He won't get past the qualifiers
I agree. I don't think he is strong enough yet but I wish him the best of luck.
Qualifiers = luck
If you look at the Ro64 skill level of GSL, it's not really even as high as the Ro16 of MLG.
Every qualifier has gotten harder so far according to Rekul and I think artosis. So getting into #1 was alot easier then getting into #2 and #3 is probably going to be pretty hard. There will still be some bad games in the RO64 but not as bad as before.
More and more B-teamer level BW players switched and new up and comers willing to play 12 hours a day with just simply more of a work rate than foreigners... i really don't see any except IdrA able to qualify soon depending on how the qualification is set up and you can't just get in by luck. Then after a while IdrA neither.
On November 09 2010 05:48 infinity2k9 wrote: More and more B-teamer level BW players switched and new up and comers willing to play 12 hours a day with just simply more of a work rate than foreigners... i really don't see any except IdrA able to qualify soon depending on how the qualification is set up and you can't just get in by luck. Then after a while IdrA neither.
Actually, I'm going to disagree with that. The only real advantage Koreans had in BW was their training houses where the entire team lives, talks, and breathes SC all day every day. Now that Foreign pro's are starting to gather over in Korea, they'll have the same environment where everyone can grow together. In BW, foreign pro's more or less practiced alone and didn't have much discussion off line.
Good luck to incontrol in getting a GSL qualifier bracket that isn't full of DEATHING.
If nothing else, increasing foreigner presence in korea is going to help greatly with the overall foreigner skill level - more communication about strategy, more practice, and more cohesion.
He's a funny and cool guy, but there's no way he will make it far in GSL 3. He's underperformed tremendously in the lesser American tourneys and when put up with players like Tester, Nada, Fruitdealer, etc. he simply cannot compete.
On November 09 2010 05:48 infinity2k9 wrote: More and more B-teamer level BW players switched and new up and comers willing to play 12 hours a day with just simply more of a work rate than foreigners... i really don't see any except IdrA able to qualify soon depending on how the qualification is set up and you can't just get in by luck. Then after a while IdrA neither.
NonKorean full time pros can, like Loner, Sen, and all those Chinese WC3 pros that are switching over. They live and breathe SC.
I wouldn't doubt incontrol that much. I mean it really is pretty luck of the draw.
his mechanics are not as good as he might want but he has the potential I think to come out of nowhere and do really good.
If he does make it into the ro64 I think he has a good chance of going to even top 8. It's kind of weird but I think he juggled a lot of activities besides just playing a shit load of SC2 and if he really focuses down on the game (same with a lot of other EG players) he could do really good. EG could really be a powerhouse if they put in more hours and do settup a pro house. Inka, Machine, Incontrol in particular.
How about you go watch some of his games before you judge how good he is by results.
He's clearly a very good player right now, judging by his mechanics, gamesense, and build-orders from the last few tourneys, he's played very well, with some minor mistakes, and some bad luck like anyone can get. Better than a lot of the players who showed up in the last two GSL's RO32 I guarantee you.
On November 09 2010 07:36 dacthehork wrote: I wouldn't doubt incontrol that much. I mean it really is pretty luck of the draw.
his mechanics are not as good as he might want but he has the potential I think to come out of nowhere and do really good.
If he does make it into the ro64 I think he has a good chance of going to even top 8. It's kind of weird but I think he juggled a lot of activities besides just playing a shit load of SC2 and if he really focuses down on the game (same with a lot of other EG players) he could do really good. EG could really be a powerhouse if they put in more hours and do settup a pro house. Inka, Machine, Incontrol in particular.
If you think he has any chance of making it to the top 8 in GSL 3, you haven't been following competitive SC2.
EDIT: If Incontrol makes it to the top 8, Jibba can permanent ban me.
On November 09 2010 07:26 hmunkey wrote: He's a funny and cool guy, but there's no way he will make it far in GSL 3. He's underperformed tremendously in the lesser American tourneys and when put up with players like Tester, Nada, Fruitdealer, etc. he simply cannot compete.
Good thing the chances of him running into all of those guys in one qualifying bracket are pretty slim!
Seriously, it's well within his abilities as a player to qualify for this thing. Do you think every single Ro64 player in each season was flat out better than him? As long as he doesn't get a ridiculous bracket he'll have a decent shot at it. It's not like he's some random guy from the Ro128 at MLG Dallas, he went fairly deep in the tournament, has a lot of LAN experience, and is capable of knocking down top players.
Is it likely that he'll qualify? Not really, but the brackets will play a much larger part than anything else. If he gets matched up against some monster like MVP then what is he gonna do? You can't really say with confidence that any foreign protoss would qualify in a situation like that.
On November 09 2010 01:59 Adila wrote: He has a shot to make it unless he gets like someone like Fruitdealer in the qualifiers.
Fairly optimistic if you think there are only ~10 players better than him in all of Korea.
He'd need a pretty good bracket since he will not have played against any of the players he'll face in qualifiers, if theres one player who he doesn't know their playstyle then thats goodbye for the whole situation. Look at the EG clan wars that have been going on recently. Face someone that you don't recognize their playstyle, even if they're "only" 2100 diamond and they will always have a chance at beating you, multiply that by the 6-7 opponents he will have to face, including potentially one previous RO16 or so player and he'd need to really get lucky. But believe it or not, Fruitdealer is NOT the only person in korea better than incontrol.
He has a chance, but things will have to go his way, look at Jinro for example. He didn't even face the top top players, but with just an average bracket he ran into one bad series with a mothership rush that he didn't expect and know how to prepare for.
Everyone will have a chance to qualify but the odds aren't in his favor.
On November 09 2010 01:59 Adila wrote: He has a shot to make it unless he gets like someone like Fruitdealer in the qualifiers.
Fairly optimistic if you think there are only ~10 players better than him in all of Korea.
He'd need a pretty good bracket since he will not have played against any of the players he'll face in qualifiers, if theres one player who he doesn't know their playstyle then thats goodbye for the whole situation. Look at the EG clan wars that have been going on recently. Face someone that you don't recognize their playstyle, even if they're "only" 2100 diamond and they will always have a chance at beating you, multiply that by the 6-7 opponents he will have to face, including potentially one previous RO16 or so player and he'd need to really get lucky. But believe it or not, Fruitdealer is NOT the only person in korea better than incontrol.
He has a chance, but things will have to go his way, look at Jinro for example. He didn't even face the top top players, but with just an average bracket he ran into one bad series with a mothership rush that he didn't expect and know how to prepare for.
Everyone will have a chance to qualify but the odds aren't in his favor.
Pretty much agree with everything ZlaSHeR just said. I wish him the best of luck, but people should never be overly optimistic.
I think it's pretty commendable that he's going for it. And it gives him a chance to play on the Korean ladder and experience their style of tournament play.
They're tournaments seem to favour more mindgames, all-in's and high-risk, high-reward play in general. Part of the reason why I think Koreans have a slight edge is that they're not afraid to muck-up the game and win ugly.
On November 09 2010 09:40 ZlaSHeR wrote: He'd need a pretty good bracket since he will not have played against any of the players he'll face in qualifiers, if theres one player who he doesn't know their playstyle then thats goodbye for the whole situation.
The thing I don't like about this argument is that it ignores the fact that no one over there has come up against his play-style either, and while he may be a big enough name stateside that you can prepare something special for him in a clanwar, I doubt any koreans will be downloading incontrol replays. I think it's far more likely that a foreigner will study the korean play-styles before the tournament than it is that koreans will be preparing in case they run across a notable foreigner. I wouldn't say that this dynamic is a big enough advantage that he can ride it to a qualifying spot, but I don't think it will work against him.
I think everyone understands how difficult it will be for him, so when you "contribute" a post that just expresses doubt about his skill level or ability, it kind of just makes you look like a negative and nasty person.
We should all probably try to encourage him if anything. It isn't really difficult to go through this chain of thoughts:
1) do I have something nasty and snarky to say about Incontrol? --Yes --> walk away from keyboard --No --> write something nice!
Seriously. What is saying something negative really doing for you. Do you want everyone to know that you have been "following" the SC2 competitive scene, and that you're a super smart SC2 fan who realizes Inc will have a tough time in Korea? Well everyone has a tough time in Korea so you're not really enlightening anyone at all. Go post somewhere where you aren't tearing someone down who has a love for SC2. What happened to this being a 'community'?
On November 09 2010 10:36 University wrote: I think everyone understands how difficult it will be for him, so when you "contribute" a post that just expresses doubt about his skill level or ability, it kind of just makes you look like a negative and nasty person.
We should all probably try to encourage him if anything. It isn't really difficult to go through this chain of thoughts:
1) do I have something nasty and snarky to say about Incontrol? --Yes --> walk away from keyboard --No --> write something nice!
Seriously. What is saying something negative really doing for you. Do you want everyone to know that you have been "following" the SC2 competitive scene, and that you're a super smart SC2 fan who realizes Inc will have a tough time in Korea? Well everyone has a tough time in Korea so you're not really enlightening anyone at all. Go post somewhere where you aren't tearing someone down who has a love for SC2. What happened to this being a 'community'?
It isn't negative though it's just an honest opinion from a lot of people.
1. It lets incontrol know where some perceive his level of skill to be at.
2. It may motivate him to prove all the non-believers wrong.
Defeat generally makes me play better than victory.
This is the first I have heard of this but I think Incontrol is a great player who has been part of the starcraft community for a long time and i hope he preforms well and Quote " Any skilled foreigner going to Korea is a good thing for the E-Sports community." It does nothing but help gain exposure in korea where E-Sports is huge! In Turn people from around the world learn about it and it helps. Any Way GO Incontrol GLGLGL
not to derail the topic, but did anyone else nearly nerdgasim when they showed that room with all the players partying? Damn that would of been an awesome place to be.
On topic: I will assume we are being trolled since alcohol was involved until we get a confirmation from EG or InControl
I hope so, I think the more foriegners we have in Korea the better, even if they don't go super far in GSL it will be mixing SC ideas and leading to a better development of the game.
On November 08 2010 14:33 tok wrote: I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget.
I don't think the GSL should have to accomodate less talented playes. Clearly koreans are the best in the world and they can aquire way bigger sponsorship there then anywhere else. It would be stupid for the GSL to be anywhere but in Korea.
I guess its cool that he is going over, but I doubt he will even qualify. The skill level between this GSL and season 1 was huge. I imagine for GSL3 it will be even larger. Unless EG is paying for him it would be a large waste of his own money to go to Korea. Stick to what you are mediocre at, NA tournies.
On November 09 2010 01:59 Adila wrote: He has a shot to make it unless he gets like someone like Fruitdealer in the qualifiers.
Fairly optimistic if you think there are only ~10 players better than him in all of Korea.
He'd need a pretty good bracket since he will not have played against any of the players he'll face in qualifiers, if theres one player who he doesn't know their playstyle then thats goodbye for the whole situation. Look at the EG clan wars that have been going on recently. Face someone that you don't recognize their playstyle, even if they're "only" 2100 diamond and they will always have a chance at beating you, multiply that by the 6-7 opponents he will have to face, including potentially one previous RO16 or so player and he'd need to really get lucky. But believe it or not, Fruitdealer is NOT the only person in korea better than incontrol.
He has a chance, but things will have to go his way, look at Jinro for example. He didn't even face the top top players, but with just an average bracket he ran into one bad series with a mothership rush that he didn't expect and know how to prepare for.
Everyone will have a chance to qualify but the odds aren't in his favor.
couldn't have put it better myself.
Plus you have to expect a bunch of 2k diamond koreans to join since its local for them. 2k diamonds, korean or not, are not easy by any means. They can micro and macro just as well. Add in a bit of freshy flavour and you may be in for a suprise.
On November 09 2010 05:48 infinity2k9 wrote: More and more B-teamer level BW players switched and new up and comers willing to play 12 hours a day with just simply more of a work rate than foreigners... i really don't see any except IdrA able to qualify soon depending on how the qualification is set up and you can't just get in by luck. Then after a while IdrA neither.
Actually, I'm going to disagree with that. The only real advantage Koreans had in BW was their training houses where the entire team lives, talks, and breathes SC all day every day. Now that Foreign pro's are starting to gather over in Korea, they'll have the same environment where everyone can grow together. In BW, foreign pro's more or less practiced alone and didn't have much discussion off line.
Yeah their real advantage is they play a lot more, and they still will? I'd bet money on liquid people all leaving Korea within a year. Lack of practice, motivation, skills whatever. They can't compete with upcoming kids who are willing to play 12 hours a day in any conditions.
On November 09 2010 05:48 infinity2k9 wrote: More and more B-teamer level BW players switched and new up and comers willing to play 12 hours a day with just simply more of a work rate than foreigners... i really don't see any except IdrA able to qualify soon depending on how the qualification is set up and you can't just get in by luck. Then after a while IdrA neither.
NonKorean full time pros can, like Loner, Sen, and all those Chinese WC3 pros that are switching over. They live and breathe SC.
Chinese players i give more chance to. I didn't consider them really in what i was saying. People are just getting over-excited about other countries hopes. Remember there's only 64 slots in the GSL, and there's enough decent players in Korea to fill them all, so its purely luck if anyone else manages to qualify.
On November 08 2010 14:33 tok wrote: I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget.
I don't think the GSL should have to accomodate less talented playes. Clearly koreans are the best in the world and they can aquire way bigger sponsorship there then anywhere else. It would be stupid for the GSL to be anywhere but in Korea.
I guess its cool that he is going over, but I doubt he will even qualify. The skill level between this GSL and season 1 was huge. I imagine for GSL3 it will be even larger. Unless EG is paying for him it would be a large waste of his own money to go to Korea. Stick to what you are mediocre at, NA tournies.
If Blizzard truly believed in worldwide eSports they would at least run a GSL style tournament in Europe/NA as well, then have a winners tournament from all 3. But clearly they don't so it won't happen.
On November 08 2010 15:00 robertdinh wrote: Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player.
What the hell is the underlined part supposed to mean?
Will train for a few days (qualifier is on monday) with idra/artosis/korean ladder.
If I qualify I will stay until I am eliminated. If I don't qualify I will spend a day or two with my brothers and hang out in SC2 paradise train up a bit and maybe root idra on or w/e.
I am excited to be in a place in my life where this is feasible. I have the means, I have the ability and I am motivated. Whether you think I am skilled enough or not should be irrelevant. A foreigner traveling to korea to try and qualify for a tourney should be a time of celebration and excitement. I could lose or I could win but none of you know any better. So why be negative?
Wish me luck or don't But I am going to have fun and work hard. When EG moves to korea I will have this under my belt to be that much more prepared to turn the Korea experience into something amazing.
I appreciate the support and love. It was a bit overwhelming in Dallas how many truly amazing people I am surrounded by. I love this community and I too often give the negative minority too much attention... please know I am in awe of those that support me. Thanks
And no, Anna will not be coming this time. I did however pledge if I am in the finals I will fly her out
On November 09 2010 18:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote: leaving thursday with a 1 way ticket
Will train for a few days (qualifier is on monday) with idra/artosis/korean ladder.
If I qualify I will stay until I am eliminated. If I don't qualify I will spend a day or two with my brothers and hang out in SC2 paradise train up a bit and maybe root idra on or w/e.
I am excited to be in a place in my life where this is feasible. I have the means, I have the ability and I am motivated. Whether you think I am skilled enough or not should be irrelevant. A foreigner traveling to korea to try and qualify for a tourney should be a time of celebration and excitement. I could lose or I could win but none of you know any better. So why be negative?
Wish me luck or don't But I am going to have fun and work hard. When EG moves to korea I will have this under my belt to be that much more prepared to turn the Korea experience into something amazing.
Can't wait to see you in the booth man, I'll be rooting for you (and the rest of the foreigners).
On November 09 2010 18:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote: leaving thursday with a 1 way ticket
Will train for a few days (qualifier is on monday) with idra/artosis/korean ladder.
If I qualify I will stay until I am eliminated. If I don't qualify I will spend a day or two with my brothers and hang out in SC2 paradise train up a bit and maybe root idra on or w/e.
I am excited to be in a place in my life where this is feasible. I have the means, I have the ability and I am motivated. Whether you think I am skilled enough or not should be irrelevant. A foreigner traveling to korea to try and qualify for a tourney should be a time of celebration and excitement. I could lose or I could win but none of you know any better. So why be negative?
Wish me luck or don't But I am going to have fun and work hard. When EG moves to korea I will have this under my belt to be that much more prepared to turn the Korea experience into something amazing.
Good luck in Korea, don't let the pessimists get you down. Every foreigner challenging the best in Korea is someone I root for. Most importantly, just have fun...
On November 09 2010 18:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote: leaving thursday with a 1 way ticket
Will train for a few days (qualifier is on monday) with idra/artosis/korean ladder.
If I qualify I will stay until I am eliminated. If I don't qualify I will spend a day or two with my brothers and hang out in SC2 paradise train up a bit and maybe root idra on or w/e.
I am excited to be in a place in my life where this is feasible. I have the means, I have the ability and I am motivated. Whether you think I am skilled enough or not should be irrelevant. A foreigner traveling to korea to try and qualify for a tourney should be a time of celebration and excitement. I could lose or I could win but none of you know any better. So why be negative?
Wish me luck or don't But I am going to have fun and work hard. When EG moves to korea I will have this under my belt to be that much more prepared to turn the Korea experience into something amazing.
So you're just flying out for GSL 3 then? A more permanent stay would presumably hinge on the EG house?
On November 09 2010 18:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: PS to those that wished me luck thus far HEART <3
I appreciate the support and love. It was a bit overwhelming in Dallas how many truly amazing people I am surrounded by. I love this community and I too often give the negative minority too much attention... please know I am in awe of those that support me. Thanks
And no, Anna will not be coming this time. I did however pledge if I am in the finals I will fly her out
Dude, much respect. And if you don't make it the first time, don't worry about it. Anything worth doing is worthing doing more than once, right?
On November 09 2010 18:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: PS to those that wished me luck thus far HEART <3
I appreciate the support and love. It was a bit overwhelming in Dallas how many truly amazing people I am surrounded by. I love this community and I too often give the negative minority too much attention... please know I am in awe of those that support me. Thanks
And no, Anna will not be coming this time. I did however pledge if I am in the finals I will fly her out
If you make it will you join some 1bed room house player house with 14 other men ? If so how does Anna feel about that ?
On November 09 2010 19:14 MICHELLE wrote: he most likely wont make the qualifier
Yeah, but it's still way cooler than what I'm doing this month, so good on him. I'm still trying to convince my girlfriend to let me go to Korea and WATCH GSL, let alone try to play in one.
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose.
Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss.
I have to disagree.
Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved.
And look how he didn't qualify three times. XD Still, it'll certainly improve his play, but flying there then competing in a tournament shortly thereafter does not a top player make.
Are you actually gonna go over there and practice with certain people? Or are you just staying in a hotel/practing on ladder in a pc-bang or so untill you actually have to play the qualifiers?
And if I have to be honest, I think a lot of it is gonna come down to the brackets, if you get a easier bracket I can see you qualifying, but if you get unlucky and get a bracket with some very good players (like people that have played in the gsl in the past and gotten far) I see it very hard.
Anyway, I really do hope that you qualify, so I wish you best of luck ^^
Btw whats up with all the hate? I looked through the ranks of the ppl trolling, saying he wont get past the prelims blabla. And you know what? its like a fat man drinking beer yelling at the tv that the pro fotball players arent running fast enough.
I could accept a pro player saying something like that, but a gold leaguer should look up to their superiors not bash them.
Are you actually gonna go over there and practice with certain people? Or are you just staying in a hotel/practing on ladder in a pc-bang or so untill you actually have to play the qualifiers?
On November 09 2010 18:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Will train for a few days (qualifier is on monday) with idra/artosis/korean ladder. .
Hope this answers your question :D
iNcontrol HWAITING! Now to make one of those posters...
On November 09 2010 18:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: PS to those that wished me luck thus far HEART <3
I appreciate the support and love. It was a bit overwhelming in Dallas how many truly amazing people I am surrounded by. I love this community and I too often give the negative minority too much attention... please know I am in awe of those that support me. Thanks
And no, Anna will not be coming this time. I did however pledge if I am in the finals I will fly her out
If you make it will you join some 1bed room house player house with 14 other men ? If so how does Anna feel about that ?
I'd assume he'd room with Greg or Nick, his teammates.
On November 09 2010 20:52 Ssin wrote: I eagerly await the winner's interview from Artosis.
Good luck, iNcontrol. Make us proud!
omg, want awkward coffee shop interview with InControL :3
On November 09 2010 19:14 MICHELLE wrote: he most likely wont make the qualifier
What a worthless post
Much like yours.. Or now, mine.
Gl InControl.
Indeed, but it's utterly pointless to state that even if it's true considering he is going regardless. Thanks for the insight (e: not you)? Amusing I got warned for that post.
incontrol, please do you best to scare the piss out of the koreans. I want to hear battle crys after every win and for people to hide their children from you.
On November 10 2010 07:01 intrigue wrote: you can do it! hope you get a good draw in the qualifiers.
so true, half the battle at GSL is your qualifying draw. I think inc can qualify as long as he gets a favorable draw. He is as good if not better then some of the people who qualified in gsl 2
I'm sad that the firebear did not make it pass qualifiers ='[, it woulda been so hilarious to see if the koreans would get intimidated by his hulk-like appearance.